WATCH: Gallen vs Hall ends in controversial result

I'm only to happy to shout you a drink or two. I'm in the Northern Rivers and go to the GC and Brisbane semi-regularly. I dare you big fella! :thumbup:

I can do my own research. I’d find em. You come up with your own points. I’ll come up with mine myself. —– I can kiss my own gf, I don’t need your help.

1) “If you smash a player with force from behind in AFL it’s a penalty.” — not true. You can’t push in the back but you can wrap em up. Look up the rules —–- 2) “Players most definitely get whacked with or without the ball in League also” — I was talking legal actions. Obviously illegal actions take place both sports —–- 3) “I have heard of many AFL teams asking League players to come coach tackling techniques. I’m yet to hear an AFL players being approached to teach League players the art of tackling?” — How Cute. Of course RL is tackle heavy it makes sense. Just like many RL teams have AF players teaching em to kicl. Quid Pro Quo!!! —–- 4) “Lockyer played league in Qld. Which AFL team did he play for? He’s not an AFL kid who grew up in Victoria/SA/ WA who switched to League. You’re kidding yourself.” — His first sport was AF, as his dad was a player, Darren excelled at the sport. He played AF for Springwood. Unfortunately his family had to travel a lot to play AF. He played both for a while but settled on RL as it was easy to get to- check out his Wikipedia entry!!!. —–- 5) “You’re kidding yourself with your assessment of AFL tackling being suppior and more brutal than that of League.” — Where did I say anything remotely like this?

No CBF research needed. I’ll help you out with Greg Brentnall being a Aussie Rules kid recruited to play in the VFL. He played fullback for Canterbury instead and represented Australia in RL. Thing is he was born and bred in NSW? Some how they said he was a great Aussie Rules junior but he played League? Wasn’t a great tackler but catching and punt kicking was excellent. One would assume his tackling was Rules based so he was put at fullback so he didn’t have to do to much?

360 degrees? You can be smashed from an direction in League with force. It’s better you don’t get whacked from behind. If you smash a player with force from behind in AFL it’s a penalty. Players most definitely get whacked with or without the ball in League also. Not legal but regularly accepted and let go. I have heard of many AFL teams asking League players to come coach tackling techniques. I’m yet to hear an AFL players being approached to teach League players the art of tackling? Some RL teams ask about kicking techniques but that’s it. Lockyer played league in Qld. Which AFL team did he play for? He’s not an AFL kid who grew up in Victoria/SA/ WA who switched to League. You’re kidding yourself. Next you’ll say Ponga is an AFL kid because they approached him after he played a bit in a school game. Rugby League players get bashed and are expected to get up. AFL is not in the same post code for consistent and repetitive high impact collisions. You’re kidding yourself with your assessment of AFL tackling being suppior and more brutal than that of League.

Apparently we were talking tackling and you bring up scoring? Well, how about scoring more points with your hands than your foot……in a game of football? (Two can play that stupid game.) —— Vector: basically the shortest distance between to points. It takes you longer to chase down an opponent; a longer vector. When closing in face 2 face, as in League and some AF tackles, the vector is much shorter. —– Also you discount that tackles will come from any degree of 360° in AF. What’s great about a run-down tackle is the tacklee was so clueless as to not know he was about to be run down. Basically if you are tackled from behind, as an AF player, you are exhibiting less skill than the player who is tackling you. Players caught, with the ball, run-down from behind deserve to lose the ball. It’s a spatial awareness skill that all AF players should possess. This is an easy concept to grasp, non? —- There is many who have crossed both ways. One of the greatest is Lockyer, you may have heard of him at sometime. There are others but I’m sure there I could find if I research. CBF —– Rugby League, #2 in it’s biggest country :laughing: :laughing: —- If you drop / fumble the ball you should be penalised but the umpires are lax at this. I agree it is a bad look. No different, in it’s stupidity, as the pointless scrum of RL. But this is different to padddling the ball forward. This is legitimate if you haven’t taken possession and is done to prevent you from being tackled. Though you still are at risk of a hip’n’shoulder; a physical action on an opposing player within 15 metres of the ball. And that is something League doesn’t have. You can’t impede a non-ball-carrier in League.

What vector? Grabbing someone, barging them over (hip and shoulder)from the side as they attempt to pickup a ball is not difficult. Running them down from behind and riding them into the ground when they are looking for support is not difficult or courageous. Rugby League has physical domination and intimidation at it’s core. AFL is more aerobic fitness and skill based, but rewarding people with a point for missing a target and fumbling the ball so you can’t be tackled is sort of unskillful IMO. Name a youngster that has grown up playing AFL playing NRL. Dunstall, Carey, Voss, Jack Riewoldt, Kieren Jack, Akermanis excelled at AFL but played a lot of League and Touch as youngsters.

I don't dispute most of what you say. My point is the dynamic is different. It is actually harder to get someone from behind, as is a lot of the case in Rules, because the closing vector differential is very minimal resulting in you having to hunt down the ball-carrier as you are not as proximate as in League. In League the closing vector has a far greater differential and you are in a much closer proximation; a function of the defender and ball-carrier facing of from a distance of typically 10-12 metres in separation. It is a sure thing to execute the tackle given the dynamics. ---- I have seen League players playing Rules and they're exasperated that they can't make tackles. I'll update your analogy and say that a WRX knows how to get out of the way of a prime mover. Whereas my experience is that League players, seemingly, ran into my arms. Which wasn't always good for me as I'm only 80kg as some were 110kg. But l didn't shirk my position. ---- As for Gallen and Hall? Both can claim mitigating circumstances. In the end it was of only mild interest to me. And I'm a Sharks supporter!

Karmichael Hunt was a fullback so making 4 tackles a game was a big day. Grabbing a player from the side or tackling a player from behind is pathetically easy thing when they are looking straight ahead. Tackling a player coming straight at you with a full head of steam that wants to charge through with his knees and elbows and probably a good hip and shoulder to your head if you go low is completely different. Then the size and power comes into the equation. Simple physics tells you Force equals mass x acceleration and a head on between 2 trucks is probably significantly greater than a rear end bump or side swipe involving 2 VW Beatles. Paul Gallen was a tireless worker with a toughness coming from his ability to absorb punishment and play dirty. Gallen was never a scary powerful player that opponents feared to tackle or run at IMO.

I think with all the focus on Women's sport, saying a code was more feminine would be quite a compliment

No, tackling, at the point of body contact, in Rules is the same as League except you can’t go below the knees. —– The big point of difference is (edit) fourfold; 1) in League you have the opposing lines, attackers observing the offside rule and defenders observing the 10 metres. They are variously 10-15 metres away, possibly 20 if the attacking team are on the momentum. But mostly 10-12 metres away. In Rules the players are looking for clear space so as to not be tackled. The longer kicks and passes facilitate this putting the player into space. 2) you are also fair game to be tackled at all times in possession of the ball in League. In Rules a mark prevents you from being tackled as it is essentially a free kick. 3) in League a tackle means you get to keep the ball for upto 5 ‘free goes’ at the ball. In Rules a fair tackle means your team loses possession of the ball. Its why Rules players will avoid tackles and League players take em. 4) many tackles in Rules are players running in the same direction and trying to grasp / grab a player in this position may mean not getting the torso of the player, sometimes just the jumper. The lion’s share of tackling League is done front on; easy peesy. —- Karmichael Hunt averaged less tackles playing AFL than he did NRL because of the differing spatial dynamics. In short he couldn’t catch anyone. —- Having played low level, in both games, l was surprised at how easy it was to tackle in League. It felt like they were running into my arms. Almost lemming-like.

isn't a tackle in rules just grabbing their shirt and trying to swing them to the ground? not much technique or toughness in that...

Hall is in bloody good nick for 42

Ok boomer

I don’t understand all the criticism of this . The fight was fair dinkum and went the distance, and from what I saw of the highlights, it was a far better fight than some of the contrived professional fights in recent years . 600 grand isn’t a bad payday for a cuppla old war horses , as much as They we’re worth a season I’d reckon . It’s just pub entertainment, get over it .

Your ignorance is showing. Too many hits to the head is my ignorant diagnosis of you. —– If your young enough you should turnout for a country game of Australia’s game. Not some constipated English game. —- Refer to an earlier post where l had a League type want to deck me for sending him to the next Thursday.

HipnShouldered :laughing: What’s next - you’ve never been hit with a handbag? Absolute comedy gold in that post!!

Nice story. Didn't happen.

Let's forget about these 2 boofheads there is a rugby league match on tonite.

Any one sucked in by the nonsense needs their head read.