Hi Steve. It shouldn’t matter if they are the biggest player or a new guy, a regular season game or finals. It should be one rule for one and another for others. The grubby player is the saboteur.
Paul, its not insulting, I never meant to insult you (sorry if I did) mate 'its fact' lets face facts, as the sooner that allot of NRL fans realise what is happening within the NRL, MRC and the bugalugs that run and administer it, the sooner we will get some results and consistencies in allot of the refereeing, MRC and all throughout the game! Its a simple fact Paul!
hi Steven, your insulting comment is not based on the content of my remark, but on the inability of the NRL judiciary to do it's job properly. I agree JWH's offence was certainly worse than S Burgess and clearly deserved suspension, but that doesn't make what Burgess did any more defensible, not does it make his punishment wrong.
He's the captain of the side, a leader of the team and one of the best players in the game - yet he resorts to cheap tactics like pulling a guys hair. Dinosaur Gould is wrong, attacking a players head in this day and age is unacceptable and Burgess deserved a week to think about it.
HaHaaa tell that especially to JWH as his 'head high' was 1000 times worse than Sam's, what a joke of a statement! As Gould said 'it should only be a fine'
Rubbish Steve G.
You evoked the standard soft and pansy language which condones Sam's behavior.
If that wasn't your intention then learn to communicate with your words and not hair pulling.
Yes we are all aware of how the carry over system works, there's no need to repeat the same thing for the thousandth time. People are pissed off about the lack of consistency in what the MRC chose to refer and what they don't....it seems to be an absolute lottery. For example, if Sam had done the forearm to the head against say Cooper Cronk (like Cordner did to Reynolds), do you think he would have been charged? I'm 100% certain he would have been....and yet Cordner doesn't get a mention. This is what confuses people.
I really think a fine won't hurt him too much really. What's he on? $1million a year is his rumoured wage. So a fine of less than 50k isn't going to send any kind of message. Maybe his team mates will eventually pull him line because he's going to keep missing weeks doing dumb things like this.
Hair pulling should not be a suspension, it can be handled much better with a fine, where it hits a player like Sam much more and dosent penalise a side and its fans!
Its all related to what the MRC is doing and how farcical the NRL is! Sam should have only gotten a fine not put into a corner to miss an important game for the Bunnies!
He didn't get suspended for simply pulling hair, it was a series of grubby acts throughout the year that cumulatively earned him the suspension. He dodged a bullet escaping with a fine when he whacked Moylan across the jaw but his grubbiness has caught up with him - if he has any brains he'd take a step back and reflect on how his poor behaviour has led to him missing a final and letting his team down.
Sam deserved a week for two reasons. He had no need to touch the other blokes head but decided to do so, because that's what bullies do. He also needs to decide what role he wants to play both within his Club and within the game. To many young players, he's obviously a role model - and what sort of role model is he, when he does stupid things like this?
Attacking a players head simply has to stop and this is a message he needs to understand. If he can't get it, I question why he should be allowed to keep playing in the NRL.
Moose...I see you've totally missed the point I was making re consistency. I never said it was ok for a grunt journeyman to be suspended. My point is the consistency of the MRC. Why pick out one niggly thing that went on in a tackle but ignore the hundreds of other grubby things that go on in just about every tackle by every side in every match? Pushing players heads into the turf, pulling hair, wingnuts......stuff happens in just about every ruck but they choose to pick this one thing? Where's the consistency?
Firstly, you and allot of other people just “DON’T GET IT”!!! I’m not condoning Sam’s ‘pulling of hair’ he should have gotten a fine, a hefty fine (that is how to stop that sort of action) irrespective of his record! What I and allot of other people are really cranky about is, that JWH who has a record just as bad as Sam, gets off and ‘shell be right’ no further action needed, this is especially before the finals, which gives aside an advantage when JWH nearly took Knights head off and the head collision wouldn’t of happened if JWH was not involved! Never mind, the Bunnies will “BEAT THE CHOOKS” irrespective if Sam is not playing and JWH is playing!
How is pulling someone prone's hair "tough".
And how does more hair pulling make it less "pansy".
What Sam did would be considered weak, cowardly and spiteful if it was done by a 10 year old school girl in the playground.
Using the we need to preserve the toughness defense is utterly laughable.
Yes should JWH should have been suspended but nothing about that mistake makes Sam's last child in on a cat fight tactic tough.
The Burgess incident sums up the NRLs appalling player welfare standards. In union the head high nature of the tackle would have warranted a yellow card - in league it doesn’t rate a mention.
How is pulling someone prone's hair "tough".
And how does more hair pulling make it less "pansy".
What Sam did would be considered weak, cowardly and spiteful if it was done by a 10 year old school girl in the playground.
Using the we need to preserve the toughness defense is utterly laughable.
Yes should JWH should have been suspended but nothing about that mistake make Sam's last child in on a cat fight tactic tough
Don't really know how to respond.
You start by accusing people like me making the game soft, and then linking that to a conspiracy to not suspend roosters or storm players, one of which was left off the hook for violent play.
Right....
Take a breath and try again.
Rubbish, its people like you who have made the NRL so soft and that is why the NRL is like it is, because of dogooders like you! Get off it and allot of the others that try to water down the NRL and make it a pansy sport! Have a look at the MRC with JWH, what an absolute disgraceful decision that was, 3 players from the chooks should have been charged and NOT ONE WAS CHARGED OR SUSPENDED that is an absolute disgrace and it projects what the NRL and the MRC are all about! Never mind it wont make a difference giving the chooks and the Storm a leg up and bending the rules whenever there is a player before them from those clubs!
Agree entirely with Gallen. Is Burgess going to go his whole career without ever waking up to himself? As if a fine would worry him. Even being suspended doesn't seem to have the desired impact.
Dwanye
Roar Rookie
Hi Steve. It shouldn’t matter if they are the biggest player or a new guy, a regular season game or finals. It should be one rule for one and another for others. The grubby player is the saboteur.
steveng
Roar Rookie
Paul, its not insulting, I never meant to insult you (sorry if I did) mate 'its fact' lets face facts, as the sooner that allot of NRL fans realise what is happening within the NRL, MRC and the bugalugs that run and administer it, the sooner we will get some results and consistencies in allot of the refereeing, MRC and all throughout the game! Its a simple fact Paul!
Paul
Roar Guru
hi Steven, your insulting comment is not based on the content of my remark, but on the inability of the NRL judiciary to do it's job properly. I agree JWH's offence was certainly worse than S Burgess and clearly deserved suspension, but that doesn't make what Burgess did any more defensible, not does it make his punishment wrong. He's the captain of the side, a leader of the team and one of the best players in the game - yet he resorts to cheap tactics like pulling a guys hair. Dinosaur Gould is wrong, attacking a players head in this day and age is unacceptable and Burgess deserved a week to think about it.
steveng
Roar Rookie
HaHaaa tell that especially to JWH as his 'head high' was 1000 times worse than Sam's, what a joke of a statement! As Gould said 'it should only be a fine'
mushi
Roar Guru
Rubbish Steve G. You evoked the standard soft and pansy language which condones Sam's behavior. If that wasn't your intention then learn to communicate with your words and not hair pulling.
Steve
Guest
Yes we are all aware of how the carry over system works, there's no need to repeat the same thing for the thousandth time. People are pissed off about the lack of consistency in what the MRC chose to refer and what they don't....it seems to be an absolute lottery. For example, if Sam had done the forearm to the head against say Cooper Cronk (like Cordner did to Reynolds), do you think he would have been charged? I'm 100% certain he would have been....and yet Cordner doesn't get a mention. This is what confuses people.
Adam
Roar Guru
I really think a fine won't hurt him too much really. What's he on? $1million a year is his rumoured wage. So a fine of less than 50k isn't going to send any kind of message. Maybe his team mates will eventually pull him line because he's going to keep missing weeks doing dumb things like this.
steveng
Roar Rookie
Hair pulling should not be a suspension, it can be handled much better with a fine, where it hits a player like Sam much more and dosent penalise a side and its fans!
steveng
Roar Rookie
Its all related to what the MRC is doing and how farcical the NRL is! Sam should have only gotten a fine not put into a corner to miss an important game for the Bunnies!
nearkurnell
Guest
He didn't get suspended for simply pulling hair, it was a series of grubby acts throughout the year that cumulatively earned him the suspension. He dodged a bullet escaping with a fine when he whacked Moylan across the jaw but his grubbiness has caught up with him - if he has any brains he'd take a step back and reflect on how his poor behaviour has led to him missing a final and letting his team down.
Adam
Roar Guru
But this is a video about the hair pulling not JWH...
Paul
Roar Guru
Sam deserved a week for two reasons. He had no need to touch the other blokes head but decided to do so, because that's what bullies do. He also needs to decide what role he wants to play both within his Club and within the game. To many young players, he's obviously a role model - and what sort of role model is he, when he does stupid things like this? Attacking a players head simply has to stop and this is a message he needs to understand. If he can't get it, I question why he should be allowed to keep playing in the NRL.
Steve
Guest
Moose...I see you've totally missed the point I was making re consistency. I never said it was ok for a grunt journeyman to be suspended. My point is the consistency of the MRC. Why pick out one niggly thing that went on in a tackle but ignore the hundreds of other grubby things that go on in just about every tackle by every side in every match? Pushing players heads into the turf, pulling hair, wingnuts......stuff happens in just about every ruck but they choose to pick this one thing? Where's the consistency?
steveng
Roar Rookie
Firstly, you and allot of other people just “DON’T GET IT”!!! I’m not condoning Sam’s ‘pulling of hair’ he should have gotten a fine, a hefty fine (that is how to stop that sort of action) irrespective of his record! What I and allot of other people are really cranky about is, that JWH who has a record just as bad as Sam, gets off and ‘shell be right’ no further action needed, this is especially before the finals, which gives aside an advantage when JWH nearly took Knights head off and the head collision wouldn’t of happened if JWH was not involved! Never mind, the Bunnies will “BEAT THE CHOOKS” irrespective if Sam is not playing and JWH is playing!
mushi
Roar Guru
How is pulling someone prone's hair "tough". And how does more hair pulling make it less "pansy". What Sam did would be considered weak, cowardly and spiteful if it was done by a 10 year old school girl in the playground. Using the we need to preserve the toughness defense is utterly laughable. Yes should JWH should have been suspended but nothing about that mistake makes Sam's last child in on a cat fight tactic tough.
In brief
Guest
The Burgess incident sums up the NRLs appalling player welfare standards. In union the head high nature of the tackle would have warranted a yellow card - in league it doesn’t rate a mention.
mushi
Roar Guru
How is pulling someone prone's hair "tough". And how does more hair pulling make it less "pansy". What Sam did would be considered weak, cowardly and spiteful if it was done by a 10 year old school girl in the playground. Using the we need to preserve the toughness defense is utterly laughable. Yes should JWH should have been suspended but nothing about that mistake make Sam's last child in on a cat fight tactic tough
Nick
Roar Guru
Don't really know how to respond. You start by accusing people like me making the game soft, and then linking that to a conspiracy to not suspend roosters or storm players, one of which was left off the hook for violent play. Right.... Take a breath and try again.
steveng
Roar Rookie
Rubbish, its people like you who have made the NRL so soft and that is why the NRL is like it is, because of dogooders like you! Get off it and allot of the others that try to water down the NRL and make it a pansy sport! Have a look at the MRC with JWH, what an absolute disgraceful decision that was, 3 players from the chooks should have been charged and NOT ONE WAS CHARGED OR SUSPENDED that is an absolute disgrace and it projects what the NRL and the MRC are all about! Never mind it wont make a difference giving the chooks and the Storm a leg up and bending the rules whenever there is a player before them from those clubs!
Forty Twenty
Roar Rookie
Agree entirely with Gallen. Is Burgess going to go his whole career without ever waking up to himself? As if a fine would worry him. Even being suspended doesn't seem to have the desired impact.