Five actual talking points for Super Rugby Round 10

By Brett McKay / Expert

Yep, no more off-field soap-operas this week. That’s not to say the #BoldandtheBrumbies saga is resolved; oh, Lordy, no.

But it’s just that I’ve got to the point where I’m sick of talking about it. Besides that, there are much better things happening within the game itself that are more deserving of our Friday pre-rugby weekend discussion.

Like for one, why aren’t everyone’s favourite team, the Sunwolves, playing again? Talk about poorly timed byes! And are the Jaguares and Kings so scared of winning that a draw is a decent chance in Buenos Aires? (Paying about 75-1, if you agree).

Nevertheless, here are the talking points for Round 10.

High stakes in the Australian conference
The closeness of the Australian top three, and the implications for the Rebels, Brumbies and Waratahs by the June internationals, never mind the playoffs, are such that this weekend has a bit of a ‘must win’ feel about it for all three teams.

The Rebels were towelled up in Auckland in the pre-season, but their return trip marks one of those games that a conference -leading team should not just win, but win well. Tony McGahan has been able to name a minimally changed side to face the Blues, losing prop Laurie Weeks during the week, but able to promote Jamie Hagan to the starting side. Combinations are coming along nicely, but they need to take another big step forward and prove that they’re worthy conference leaders.

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The Brumbies aren’t quite so blessed, losing Joe Tomane for upwards of ten weeks, and confirmation yesterday that their captain Stephen Moore won’t play against the Highlanders down in Invercargill. There is some good news, with the return of David Pocock, but the naming of a 6-2 bench gives us a decent indication of where the Brumbies see the best way of the beating the reigning champions.

The Waratahs have lost young flanker Jack Dempsey to a shoulder injury, replacing him on the side of the scrum with Dean Mumm in an otherwise unchanged side. Otherwise unchanged? Doesn’t that mean…?

Yes. Yes, it does. It means that Dave Dennis stays at lock and he’ll run out for his 100th Super Rugby match in the No.4 jersey. Whether the logical jumper swap happens between now and Sunday morning AEST remains to be seen, but you’d think that at Newlands, against a very mobile and often slightly mad Stormers pack, that the Waratahs would need all the breakdown presence they can muster. Even if it’s a close-run thing, I think Dennis gives you more around the field, just as Mumm gives you more in the lineout.

But whatever the combinations, and however they do it, all three teams just need to win. There’s no more important games for these three sides this season.

Could the Reds actually be building something?
All the headlines were about their last quarter fade out against the Stormers last weekend, a repeat of what happened against the Bulls the weekend before. In both cases, the Reds were within striking distance inside the second half – they even led against the Stormers – leading to perhaps inevitable questions about their fitness and their ability to close out games.

And there might be some truth in that, but the lack of experience can’t be completely ruled out either.

Regardless, the fact that they were able to get back into both games in the Republic, and that they were able to jump out to a solid lead against the Highlanders before the tour tells me that there is a nice level of belief growing within the young Reds squad at the moment.

The next big test will be to do all that in front of their home crowd, for 80 minutes, against a team that is just above them on the table, but which they really shouldn’t have any trouble beating. The results have been there in patches, now it’s time to show they can put it together. And then the planning for 2017 can begin in earnest.

Must-win game for the Bulls, too
Everyone’s picked the Bulls this weekend, with the Force largely friendless aside from the obligatory tips from family. And the Bulls, in a wildcard spot, should have no trouble with the Force, currently 17th, right?

Well…

Over the history of Super Rugby, the Bulls record against the Force is only just positive; five wins and four losses. The record in Perth is two wins and three losses, including losses in the last two clashes in the west, in 2014 and 2011.

And the Bulls need to win, too, because a loss to the Force coupled with a Waratahs loss in Cape Town would mean the Bulls would be upwards of ten points behind the Stormers in Africa 2. And recalling that I outlined how the Lions are very close to wrapping up Africa 1, a Bulls loss in Perth means we could be maybe a week away from the two South African home quarter-finals being locked in.

So suddenly the Bulls’ task isn’t so easy. There’s genuine pressure at play, and pressure can do funny things to teams in Perth at the start or end of tours. Ask the Crusaders…

So five Australian wins, then?
Well, why not!

If the top three teams have to win, and the Reds are good enough and starting to play as a team well enough to win well at home, why couldn’t the Force complete the set?

(That’s rhetorical. I think we all know the obvious answer…)

Will Sinclair mentioned yesterday that his five-leg un-Australian local-teams-don’t-deserve-my-wager snub-multi was going to pay around 10-1. I asked the question at the time, but a later look yesterday myself had the five Australian teams paying $107.92 (assuming I’ve done it right, and that’s no guarantee).

If you’re feeling even slightly more patriotic than Will – and let’s face it, it wouldn’t be hard – then there’s a decent windfall to be had. And if the Sunwolves could pull off the unlikely last weekend, then why not?

(That’s not an endorsement, by the way. Bet responsibly. Seriously.)

Neutral referees by stealth?
So here’s something I’ve noticed in the last few weeks. It might be nothing, but it could be something.

The talk around the need for neutral referees has been as present this season as it’s ever been, but it seems that we have been seeing a decent spattering of neutral appointments over the last month or so.

SANZAAR would never come out and announce that they are going back to how they used to appoint referees; that would be an admission that the official line of ‘merit-based appointments’ had flaws. But I do wonder if we are seeing a bit of a shift in the thinking, even if it’s by stealth.

In the first four rounds, there were fourteen ‘international’ matches – that is, two teams from different countries. Of those, only five of them had a referee from a neutral country appointed.

In Round 5, three of the four international games had neutral refs, and New Zealander Ben O’Keeffe had an Australian derby. In Round 7, it was three of six, and in Round 8 it was three of five. Last week, it was four of six.

This weekend, all eight games are ‘internationals’, and three of them feature neutral referees. South African Craig Joubert has the Blues-Rebels in Auckland; he’s been in New Zealand for three weeks now, and as a neutral ref in all three matches. Since Round 5, 16 neutral referees have been appointed in 34 international matches.

Now, like I said, it might be nothing. But the evidence of the appointments over the course of the season to date indicates that there could be something in this. And if it is something, then SANZAAR deserve due credit.

Enjoy your weekend of rugby.

The Crowd Says:

2016-04-30T13:21:07+00:00

NaBUru38

Guest


Brett, check how many local, away or neutral referees have had each team. The list is very uneven, especially for Jaguares.

2016-04-30T09:43:23+00:00

Nabley

Guest


And can be sour.

2016-04-30T02:35:01+00:00

Dave_S

Guest


It's a yes please here, Carlos

2016-04-29T18:42:51+00:00

Carlos the Argie

Roar Guru


Do you know any SA referee whose names sounds like "grape"? I also prefer to ferment the grape's juices and let them rest, first in oak, then in bottles, before I ingest them. And as they told me many times in Spain, the best white wine is red.

2016-04-29T18:39:08+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


Grapes are small and red.

2016-04-29T18:30:16+00:00

Carlos the Argie

Roar Guru


OK, I have had this debate with Harry about neutral referees. Spiro really was the one that started it all. In 2015, the non-neutral referees were almost statistically significantly different from neutral referees. The "p-value" of no neutral home referees is 0.057. Remember that a "p-value" has to be less than 0.05 to be significant by normally accepted parameters. So this mean the difference is not due to chance by a 94% probability instead of 95%. There are also non neutral away referees too. Like a SA referee in NZ refereeing a SA team. Those are almost significant too. Non-neutral home referees call one more penalty per match for the home team. In 2016, through the first 7 rounds, the difference did reach statistical significance. But there are other complications! We were going to have a write up with Harry on this issue. Maybe we should still have it. The point is that the statistics are screwed up by one or two referees. If you do the "East German judge" rule and exclude a certain SA ref, then things look nicer. So, I don't know if this is then local bias or one bad referee. Really bad. His last name sounds like a small red fruit. Let Harry and I know if you want this analysis in detail with a lawyerly/statistical debate and we will oblige.

2016-04-29T14:54:53+00:00

ThugbyFan

Guest


Spot on there Jeznez and that's the problem that I was alluding to. W.Palu has been coming on about the 60th minute as replacement for J.Holloway, that's why I wondered if he or D.Mumm can go the distance. If Mumm has to go, you are replacing a #6 with a slow big reserve #8 suffering from dropsy-itis, then putting your young gun #8, whose ruck involvements are pretty low so far, into the BSF position. That's really messing up the effectiveness of your flankers (and lineout), and this has to assume there are no injuries to cover. I guess D,Dennis is also an option for moving to #6 if disaster happens. Tahs went into 2016 a bit light on flankers, the only other one on their books is 20 yo Brad Wilkins. I've never seen him play but against the Stormers is not a good place to start his career. :)

2016-04-29T09:00:42+00:00

Nabley

Guest


Take two simple cases that we all know about. Warburton red carded in a 2011 RWC semi final. He did not drop or drive the guy into the ground. He let him slide. There is an and between lifting and dropping or driving in the Law. The second one was B Smith being yellow carded in the 2015 RWC Final. The tackled player was driven into the ground by Hooper, driving for the line, taking the player away from Smith's care. Nadolos was not in position to lift. He in fact was almost under him. Every thing that happened came not from Nadolos activities, but the momentum of the player. Everyone talks in terms of the horizontal when they deal with this Law. The term is not even mentioned in the law and it is this aspect that most players get wrongly done, without looking at the required elements that have to be present in continuous sequence.

2016-04-29T08:37:30+00:00

Nabley

Guest


Prevalence comes and goes. It is easier to keep the sanctions at the same level and implement special arrangements when needed.

2016-04-29T08:27:22+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


Enjoy this column, BMcK. The point on refs being stealthily neutered is good. SANZAAR is super stealthy.

2016-04-29T07:15:18+00:00

ClarkeG

Roar Guru


This point comes up time and time again in this forum when we discuss suspensions for foul play. I’m no expert on criminal law - regards your breaking into houses analogy - but I’m pretty sure aggravating and mitigating factors are taken into account when sentencing is considered case by case. This is the manner in which foul play cases are handled under WR regulation 17. There is a scale of sanctions for each offence and then the judiciary then considers other factors that may or may not exist from case to case. The need for a deterrent to combat a pattern of offending in the game is but one potential aggravating factor. If a particular offence is occasional as opposed to part of an increasing trend then in that case there would be no need for an additional sanction for deterrence. So it makes more sense to have a consistent scale of base sanctions which can be adjusted up or down depending on the circumstances of each case.

2016-04-29T06:19:07+00:00

Machooka

Roar Guru


Ha Akari... I saw what you did there! And jeznez... yeah you're pretty much on the money with how you see replacements happening.

2016-04-29T06:07:29+00:00

Akari

Roar Rookie


Sam has, IMO, been lousi in defence and cleaning/clearing out players around the ruck/mall and taking the ball up for a big man and former league player. He should really playing be playing club rugby for the Emus so he knows what hard work is all about.

2016-04-29T05:58:22+00:00

Akari

Roar Rookie


Good points, Brett, and another top article too.

2016-04-29T05:57:12+00:00

Akari

Roar Rookie


I was confident yesterday that the Cheetahs No. 7, Uzair Cassiem, would single-handedly take on the Reds and win the game for them by a whisker. Then I found out that no SA commentator would even back the Cheetahs to win and, on reflection, they must know something that I don't. The Reds should do it but then that's exactly what I thought they'd do to the Force in round 2. May the Force cause the upset of the round but they must want to win. Of the other 3, only the Tahs have a realistic but difficult chance in Stormer country. Sorry Chooks but yesterday was yesterday as they say...

2016-04-29T05:34:58+00:00

Wal

Roar Guru


So then change the sanction for the offence. Its not like a judge can say well lots of people are breaking into houses so I am adding 6 months to your jail sentence.

2016-04-29T05:34:08+00:00

jeznez

Roar Guru


Can be fairly confident that the plan will be for Lousi to replace Skelton. So if Mumm needs replacing it will have to be with Palu coming on for him. Expect that Cliff plays 8 and Holloway goes to 6 in that scenario. Can pencil in Dennis, Hooper and Holloway being planned to go the 80.

2016-04-29T05:23:29+00:00

Akari

Roar Rookie


Very funny indeed, Allanthus, but it won't be an item on my bucket list; not in the very near future anyway.

2016-04-29T04:59:39+00:00

ClarkeG

Roar Guru


WR’s memorandum has everything to do with the case and every other case like it. It is because of the frequency of these types of tackles that an additional deterrent sanction is imposed as Nabley says.

2016-04-29T04:56:03+00:00

ClarkeG

Roar Guru


I don’t know why you would say it’s the worst known law. It should be one the best known laws considering the frequency with which players are suspended under it. How on earth is it impossible for Nadolo to lift? I understand there may be a degree of the fulcrum thingee but Nadolo’s involvement has caused the player to be completely upturned. Because he was upturned his upper body comes into contact with the ground.

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