Eight quick takes from AFL Round 3

By Josh / Expert

If tipping nine out of nine in Round 2 made me think I knew football, Round 3 gave my swollen head an always-useful deflation. There were upsets, head-scratchers, and superstar performances – here are my quick takes from the week.

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Horrendous Hawthorn are about to feel the heat
First they lost to Essendon – fair enough, the Bombers are at least an OK side, and wanted the win pretty badly. Then they lost to Adelaide – okay, fair enough again, the Crows are a very good team.

Now they got minced at Metricon Stadium by the Gold Coast Suns – losing by 86 points! – who themselves just last week were slammed at Spotless by the GWS Giants. They kicked just seven goals for the match.

Some said the Hawks wouldn’t make the top four this year. Others said they wouldn’t make finals. Cam Rose said plenty of both, and hey, he’s looking pretty good at this stage.

But I don’t think anyone expected this. What’s gone rotten at Hawthorn? Has the talent drain from their coaching and management stocks – as struggling clubs everywhere have sought to poach their staff – finally caught up with them? Has the moving on of Sam Mitchell and Jordan Lewis soured their club culture?

Nobody knows at this stage, but we do know one thing for sure. The Hawks have Geelong, West Coast, St Kilda and Melbourne in their next four. The heat is about to get turned up at Waverley Park, and Hawthorn are going to sweat.

Oh and hey, a quick shout out to Gold Coast – during the week I questioned whether they had the heart to respond to last week’s debacle, and that was as good a response as any you will ever see. I tip my hat to them and can’t wait to see what they do next.

Rumours of Ross Lyon’s decline have been at least a little exaggerated
After Fremantle’s 89-point loss to close out Round 2 it was no surprised to see numerous angles sprout up over the weekend about the future of Ross Lyon at the club, and more than a few harsh comments made – such is the way of things in this business!

The Dockers made a strong statement by dropping six players at the selection table, and bringing in two debutants – and then, amazingly, they won.

It’s ironic really that in a night where all eyes were on a South Australian Showdown, the real match of the week was a massive upset in Perth where the Dockers downed the Western Bulldogs.

The net result? Fremantle and Ross Lyon have bought themselves plenty of time for this rebuild to show some results, especially given that they got this one done by playing the kids. The value of having youthful energy in the team is often underestimated. Strap yourselves in.

For the Bulldogs, well, they’ve got plenty of credits in the bank, but you can expect to see them follow suit by making a few changes themselves ahead of next week.

The Crows deserve to be flag favourites
Sydney, GWS and the Western Bulldogs were the standard top three among ladder predictions this year, and generally considered the three sides most likely to win the flag – but in three rounds, Adelaide have overtaken them all.

The Crows pasted the Giants in Round 1, though GWS have been good since then. The Bulldogs have been alright without being great, and have some question marks after losing to Fremantle on Saturday night. Sydney are winless.

Adelaide, on the other hand, are 3-0, top of the ladder, and have done it against arguably the most difficult slate any team has faced so far this year – GWS, Hawthorn, and a revitalised Port Adelaide.

It’s early days. Very early days. But right now, there’s no team going around that’s more impressive than them.

West Coast need to get real
I tipped the West Coast Eagles to win the premiership this year, so I’m probably as disappointed if not more so than most of their fans with their poor performance coughing up a win to the Richmond Tigers on Saturday.

Don’t get me wrong, the Tigers were good and deserve a bit of praise, but much like their game against Collingwood last week, this one should’ve been over by half time if the opposition had kicked a little straighter in front of goal.

It’s not West Coast’s only under-par performance of the season though. Although they got wins against North Melbourne and St Kilda in the first two weeks, with the talent they have, they should have won both games by bigger margins.

It’s hard to identify exactly what the problem is at the moment but it’s clear that they’re not playing with the same intent and physicality they did in 2015, and that’s probably a mindset thing.

They’re 2-1 and can still very much be a top four team and premiership contender this year – but they may need a boot up the backside, and soon, if they’re going to get there.

Murphy makes his Marc in a big Blues win
There was a time when Marc Murphy was a superstar in the top handful of players in the competition, or at least looked like he could be, but for one reason or another he hasn’t been at that same level much in recent years.

However on a wet day at the MCG and against one of Carlton’s most hated rivals, Murphy had 32 touches, ten tackles, and popped through two incredible team-lifting goals (in a match where only 13 were kicked) – a superstar performance if ever there was one.

It was a great win for the Blues, and some reward for effort after putting in strong performances despite their obvious deficiencies in the first two weeks.

For Essendon however, the real tests start now. If emotion was what got them going in the first two weeks, it has surely ended now, and whether or not they can bounce back from this poor performance will tell us a lot about this hard-to-read team.

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Sydney aren’t a top four team
The Swans have a few legitimate reasons for not having gotten on the board so far this season. As it often is, the biggest of them is injuries, with Dane Rampe and Isaac Heeney in particular being major absences.

However, being able to cope with injuries, even big ones, is the mark of a top side, and Sydney’s lack of depth is really hurting them at the moment – they’ve seen some promising signs from the players they’ve brought in, but that’s not what top four teams are built around.

There’s just too many passengers in the side at the moment and the superstars aren’t doing enough heavy lifting to cover for them, as they have sometimes in the past.

If we say 16 wins is roughly the pass mark for a top four team on average, then that means Sydney can only afford to drop three more matches from their remaining nineteen – and that just doesn’t look likely at this stage.

This isn’t the beginning of a major decline by any standard, more like a little speed bump along the way. They’ll be fine in the future and are definitely still in the mix for a spot fifth to eighth – but when it comes to a premiership assault, it appears 2017 is not their year.

Oh and as an aside, if you’ve never watched Sydney lose by one point while hanging out with the animated and vocal Riordan Lee let me tell you, it is a unique life experience.

North must make a tough call on former captain
Ask any North fan and they will tell you that Andrew Swallow is as admirable a servant as the club has had in the modern era, but a large number of them will also admit that his time as a part of the best side is running out.

With the Roos trialling a new mix of young blood through the midfield, and Jack Ziebell and Ben Cunnington in the prime years of their careers, there just isn’t room for him to play the same role he once did.

He has recorded only 25 disposals over the past two weeks and only nine of them have been kicks – he’s just not at the level of performance he needs to be to justify putting him in the side ahead of a developing young midfielder.

Maybe he could revive his career by finding a new role in the team – a shift to the backline like Matthew Boyd perhaps? – but he’s never been especially versatile or multi-dimensional, so it seems unlikely.

Don’t get me wrong, as a North fan I love the bloke, and he deserves and should get some chances to show he can still contribute – but if he doesn’t make them count, the club has to make a hard decision. I’m glad I’m not the person with their finger on the button.

If Max is Gawn, are Melbourne too?
If having six more scoring shots than the opposition and losing by 29 points wasn’t bad enough, for Melbourne fans to see Max Gawn go down with a hamstring injury and not return to the field on Saturday certainly drove the dagger in.

At first the word was that Gawn’s injury was your standard four-week hamstring – not ideal, certainly, given the value he offers to the team, but not a fatal wound for Melbourne’s season either.

However, further scans on Sunday confirmed that the injury was worse than first thought, and Gawn will need surgery. There’s no official timeline yet, but Gawn will likely be out for significantly longer than four weeks.

That’s a real problem for the 2-1 Dees because while Jake Spencer could be an able backup, Gawn gives them an advantage every week that they now won’t have. If he misses two or three months, are they still a finals team? We’re about to find out.

The Crowd Says:

2017-04-11T05:43:42+00:00

Steve J

Roar Guru


Freo will be focused on that away effort this week. Skills let them down against Geelong and effort and skills against the Power. The opening goal from Brady Grey was important in Freo getting into the game early and the response in the final term was brilliant. Walters, Crozier, Mundy, Fyfe, Hill1 and Hill2 all stood tall in that term. There were still a number of players for Freo who can list from that match though. Kersten has stated to show something, Balic will be better for the run, Sandi clunked a couple of marks, Johno was excellent, Ibbo still has to improve, Son Son was only up and about for half the game, Macca needs to hold his marks, Sheridan and Crozier both need 4 quarter efforts. Lookin at that list I would be surprised if Freo can't put in a better showing away than they did in orund 2 and they will be thinking that the Dees are ripe to be plucked given no Hogan, Gawn or Lewis. Looking forward to it

2017-04-11T02:30:07+00:00

Pumping Dougie

Roar Guru


Good summary Josh. I agree with all of it (except the bit about Marc Murphy once upon a time being a superstar). Great round of results in the interests of the competition. Freo seemed inspired and were running a lot better than the Doggies in the last quarter. Could be something to do with the Doggies delayed pre-season, but I think was more to do with they were in with a sniff in front of a parochial home crowd. I'm sure they would not have played so well if it were in a neutral venue. So it will be interesting to see how Freo and Gold Coast perform 'away' this coming week and whether they show the same passion and intensity. I think Gold Coast might but not Freo. Hawks are obviously gone. Should we say the same about the Swans? They are playing a lot of young, inexperienced players and their established stars are struggling to perform at the level we're used to.

2017-04-10T22:55:14+00:00

Gecko

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You do have to wonder at the kind of midfield that emerged at North under Scott. None of the creative disposers wanted to learn defensive skills (Harvey, Wells, Del Santo) and none of the hard-tackling midfielders could learn to do anything creative (Swallow, Ziebell, Cunningham). It's a more extreme version of what's happened at Collingwood.

2017-04-10T22:48:46+00:00

Gecko

Guest


And North's Majak Daw, and possibly the Bulldogs' 'special' combination of Cloke, Boyd and Campbell.

2017-04-10T22:46:47+00:00

Gecko

Guest


Vickery at the Hawks and Cloke at the Bulldogs. It's a mouth-watering prospect for Tigers and Pies fans.

2017-04-10T22:43:53+00:00

Gecko

Guest


Sometimes home and away stats can be misleading. Is there a site that provides contested possession stats specifically for finals games? I suspect the Hawks in 2013-2015 would have been right up there for contested possession in finals games because that's when Lewis, Hodge and Burgoyne fired up.

2017-04-10T22:34:43+00:00

Gecko

Guest


Agreed the Bont was their best midfielder last Saturday night but he does seem to go long periods (especially in first quarters) without getting a touch. Subsequently he doesn't amass the stats that many other mids amass.

2017-04-10T21:43:52+00:00

Aransan

Guest


Thirteen since their first in 1961, the most successful club in the modern era.

2017-04-10T15:20:42+00:00

Peppsy

Roar Guru


Hawthorn are off the pace, but I don't think the problem is as bad as it looks right now. It seems like a combo of the team not being settled yet, people out of form, a lack of leadership, and almost above all that bad luck. I mean week 1 was called Essendons grand final for a reason, week 2 was against the best team in the comp, and week 3 was agaisnt a GC side who'd shown character back in round 1 coming off a week of nothing but criticism. Play it GC ADEL ESS and Hawthorn may well be 2-1. Personally I knew the start of the season would be hard, but I expect them to get better as the year goes on and the team settles, even better into 2018.

2017-04-10T11:26:40+00:00

Paul D

Roar Guru


I hope Robinson gets the shutdown job on Martin. That will be an epic battle to watch. Will be in GA with a bunch of Richmond fans so hopefully my boys keep in the contest and give me plenty to yell about

2017-04-10T10:24:02+00:00

Pete

Guest


Blah Blah Blah...yep Clarkson is the worst 4 time premiership coach ever !!

2017-04-10T10:21:17+00:00

Doc Disnick

Roar Guru


You just don't get it. This isn't about slow or soft (I will remind you though they were told this every week in 2015), it's about your lack of knowledge when making a statement like this: "Clarkson cost Hawthorn any chance of winning 4 straight premierships with his idiot1c game plan." Backup this provocative statement with some solid logic, instead of just suggesting he continues coaching like he did in 2014 — despite this being next to impossible for all the reasons I mentioned above. You ever stop to think if coaches this way, he ends up being heavily defeated on the inside, potentially not making the 8 at all? You make this wild assumption that if he just continues with the status quo...magically he wins a 4th premiership. You ever stop to think he got it right by giving himself a chance in 2016, despite all the disadvantages bestowed upon a three times consecutive champion? I suspect though you didn't realise his gameplan, for years, hasn't been based upon contested possession. As such, his comment about "not giving a stuff" made no sense to you — having you believe he's arrogant; when in reality he was just responding to something he's been told for years, despite winning three consecutive Premierships to the contrary.

2017-04-10T09:48:24+00:00

SmithHatesMaxwell

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We'll just have to agree to disagree. I think they're slow and soft. We're slow and soft in 2016. 2014 they weren't slow and soft.

2017-04-10T09:34:52+00:00

dave

Guest


Cameron seems a pretty clever bloke but seriously you could put a blow up doll in the coaches seat at GWS and still have success.

2017-04-10T09:07:46+00:00

Doc Disnick

Roar Guru


"Clarko had all of 2016 to fix that but didn’t want to. He got it wrong in the end." You make is sound sooo easy to win a Premiership Smithy — let alone a 4peat. The last part is just so you also: Genius in Hindsight! These are the more relevant issues Clarko would have problem solved through during the preseason and the Hawks' 2016 campaign: 1. Do we have the personnel to play a similar style in 2016? If not, what changes need to be made structurally? 2. How do we stay ahead of the curve, especially in an environment where the likely contenders have been gifted infinitely more talented players due to drafting & concessions. 3. Do we exploit the AFL's rule changes i.e. less protection to players ducking and going for the ball? Is it better to sit-back, apply pressure and force the turnover; or play contested football where we are probably going to get beaten? 4. What do we do if our zonal defence is cracked or fails due to lack of experience? It takes years to develop a powerful zonal defence — it only requires one player out of position to mess things up. Do we therefore increase our open-play possession game at the expense of contested possession to make up for this lack of defensive structure? 5. Is evolving further away from contested possession the future of football? No-one else is doing it. If it works, every other team will lack the skill-set to affectively counter such a threat — negating any player talent advantage held by other top 8 teams. 6. If we employ all these strategies (and then some) is it possible to sneak a 4th straight Premiership? Only through tactical innovation is this achievable within a socialist competition. These are the questions I'm certain Clarkson challenged himself with at the end of 2015.

2017-04-10T08:44:56+00:00

Maggie

Guest


I fully understand what multiple means as a mathematical term. I've stated my disagreement with the use of the word as an adjective to describe two GF defeats, and then linking those to supposed 'mental scars'. This is a sports discussion forum after all. If getting to two GFs but not winning gives a team (at least 50% of whom didn't play in those GFs) mental scars, what does years of never making the finals do to other clubs??? It was lazy logic by the OP.

2017-04-10T08:43:36+00:00

Aaron

Guest


I don't care if the Hawks are at the bottom for the next 5 years rebuilding. Say what you want baby. 4 flags in 8 years and 11 in 40 years. The greatest football club in the world!

2017-04-10T08:42:41+00:00

Darren

Guest


Nicholas that is exactly how I read it.

2017-04-10T08:29:11+00:00

SmithHatesMaxwell

Guest


The Hawks were 5th for contested ball differential in their best season which was 2014. A mere two years later they are plumb last at 18th and by a significant margin to 17th. There were some danger signs in 2015, where they went 4-4 to start the season, lost in the first week of the finals. The big win in the Grand Final against a flat track bully away from Subiaco masked some deficiencies. You might be able to be a soft but highly skilled team and win with a middle of the road contested ball differential. But not when that differential is 18th and significantly worse than 17th. Improve that they might have won the premiership. Clarko had all of 2016 to fix that but didn't want to. He got it wrong in the end.

2017-04-10T08:25:11+00:00

XI

Roar Guru


Nah, you'd pick a premiership coach first for sure. Then probably Pyke and Cameron.

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