Ex-Wallaby says 'we need to cheat better'

More transparency in the post match analysis might help us punters, but it would be tough on the Refs if they got their dirty laundry aired each week.

I wouldn't go so far as saying he isn't a dirty player, but I think the recent incident was careless, not malicious.

I recall the Brumbies during the days of Mortlock and co, clearing the path for Larkham to ghost through - I reckon they pioneered this stuff - the Kiwis just perfected it.

Difference is Dagg is out for the season, out of All Blacks contention, and quite possibly sees the end of his career in a black jersey. That was a very high price to pay for a moment of sheer stupidity from the Aussie bloke. Imagine this was Beale's season on the line we were talking about here, I imagine the bleating would be next level.

Getting away with it makes it all ok, eh bro?

Perhaps the Australian teams will start ‘sandpapering’ the rugby ball.....or rolling it underarm. Cheika has Australia playing ‘thugby’ has done for a few years now. Kepu’s performance in the World Cup final was a disgrace. Dagg was taken out by dangerous tackle and injured. The hypocrisy of Australians never ceases to amaze me. I remember a couple, of years ago Skelton and Latu turned Sam Whitelock upside down and drove him head first into the ground. According to the Fox sports panel there was nothing malicious in it!! Moody made a mistake. But he isn’t a dirty player and has a good track record on discipline. Some posters are massively exaggerating the severity of his actions. He got 2 weeks which is about right.

Match fixing vs ball tapering which is a greater sin?

At least you still support them T’man. Like you, the Blues are in my blood but fair to say the Auks were not the Blues back then. I’ll die before I change my provincial allegiance T’man.... see I’m pretty pig headed ..

Well, you have called it out as idiotic, Now back up your statement Have you read Ritchie's book or training manual? He point blank admits to it. Here is a prime example of him cheating. off feet, hands in the ruck, knows the ref can't see it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wffGbKvQNg There is no margin here, undeniable, indefensible, cheating. Ritchety Grub - a badge well earned. If you want to use your cricketing example, if the ball tampering wasn't noticed during the game, then it is legal right.......? Some of us have morals and ethics. To actively cheat in a sporting event, never enters our minds. Others, some kiwi's in particular have turned it into a science. The English forwards got pretty good at it too, until the refs figured out what they were doing and put a stop to it. They haven't won much since. The AB's lost the Chicago match because they got caught, and took too long to adjust to playing clean. If the game was 15 minutes longer they might have won it, keeping their record in tact.

Dangerous play isn't diminished by the outcome, regardless if the player walks away from it or not. Just because Beale wasn't injured doesn't make the intent any less malicious or the act any less dangerous. There were a number of dubious calls that went against the Tahs on Saturday. I enjoy seeing them lose as much as the next person, but they would never have lost the game if they were playing 14 men (as they should have been).

Still streaks behind the shackle-draggers. Didn’t McCallum dob them in? And then make Everything was cleaned up to be above reproach? A little different to ‘current’ capt and vice capt setting a newbie up for the fall.

I’m not going to grace the Maccaw comment with pointing out how idiotic that is but point out the old sporting adage, you play to the whistle. I do not Condon blatant cheating, but pushing the boundaries is always there in a sport where subjective calls are made multiple times every single minute. Play to the whistle is the same principle applied by every cricketing team in the world. Every (almost) batsman in the world waits to be given the finger before walking if he thinks the umpire might have missed his edge brushing the ball. Gilchrist the clear exception and look at how was vilified for it by his fellow Aussies. If players are expected to police and ref themselves, then why have refs at all? Why can’t we just use the honesty rule?

I don't think we have to lower ourselves to NZ's grubby level but we absolutely have to 'hands on heads' when we are ripped off - force the issue and expose the refs who are favouring NZ unfairly - The captain calls it and all players remain still with hands on heads until the referee reviews the situation and the offence and polices the game properly. Imagine Nigel Owens being marched off the field for blatant bias every time he dudds Australia? The game continues and he is not selected to referee us again. Progress.

Gold comment how they forget.

Sorry, what is the score if that try isn’t given and the rest of the game played out? Given all the variables in the 50mkns left to play, you should be a fortune teller if you can predict that well. Everything that happens after that moment cannot be considered as happening, so you carnsay, take that try away and Tahs win. Not saying it didn’t have an impact, but hard to say, that much time left, what the end score is.

Another difference is Dagg was taken out for the rest of the game and likely a lot longer, so the impact of that hit is felt for a long time. Beale got back up and played out the game. I agree both on field decisions were wrong decisions, but it’s hard to say Moody was worse in the sense that Beale wasn’t really injured, where as Dagg is out for who knows. Arguably, if Crusaders had Dagg last night, we may have been able to neutralise Folau more effectively in the first 30mins. As it was, we just had to stop kicking it to him. He was so knackered he didn’t go looking for it too much after that.

I mean last week we lost a top player for ages due to a foul act. No one cared too much about that at the time. This week we have a foul act that results in a try and there's several articles and thousands of posts on it. Gotta wonder who the real mo?aners are. Where was Mr Lords righteous article on the set of refs for the dagg incident? Nowhere.

Which country did Lou Vincent and Chris Cairns play for again?

So they don't

Yeah some people need to get a grip. Saying theres no comparison because there was a try scored. The comparison was that two badly incorrect onfield decisions were made. Are people actually disagreeing with that as a comparison? And for those preaching the tahs one was 'worse'. Peni committed an illegal act which sidelined an All Black with injury for months, where Beale got up and played. That's somehow worse is it? Because a try was scored and Peni was yellow carded. Some need to relook at their priorities methinks. My take on that thinking? Good job the Tahs lost if you wanna go down that track.