Just how wrong can a pre-season ladder prediction be?

By Matt Cleary / Expert

And so with ten rounds to play in this super-fine season of National Rugby League, it behoves a man who can’t think of a column on a Thursday arvo to rake over the embers of one’s pre-season predictions for who would occupy the top and bottom halves of the competition.

And just how wrong and/or right a man can be?

The answer comes in three parts:

1. Bang on.
2. There and thereabout.
3. So wrong as to be illegal

And so our hits and misses, listed in order of their current ladder positions, are:

1. St George Illawarra Dragons have been top-of the-pops since round one, are 11-and-3, and undefeated in eight starts at home.

They’re chock-full of Origin players, and sport quick-footed backs and big-bodied forwards who hit like the Great Recession.

And where’d I have ‘em? Yeah, spit it out man… I had ‘em 15th. Fifteenth! Second-last! Because “they’re a bit light on for stars, the Dragons, big light on for everyone.”

Verdict: Really, really wrong. So wrong as to be barely legal.

2. Like a bad tweet leaving an electronic fingerprint, a tip like this can follow a man like vengeful herpes. And the tip was this: South Sydney Rabbitohs for the wooden spoon.

Yes, yes, I know. Last. The Bunnies. I am no ordinary idiot. Yet on the basis, effectively, that someone had to come last, and that Souths were but three men – Sam Burgess, Greg Inglis and Dane Gagai – and that only the latter was expected to be on the field for significant periods of time, I touched up Souths with an imaginary spoon.

How’s that saying go? You idiot! The Bunnies are 11-3 with a bye up their sleeve, and have won nine of their last 10. The Bunnies are smokin’.

Verdict: Bad Boy Bubby wrong. Like arguing against gravity wrong.

(Photo by Cameron Spencer/Getty Images)

3. Penrith Panthers have been humming along all season and I picked them to hum along all season and end up 4th. And that’s what they’re doing. They could win it, the Panthers. Like ’em.

Verdict: Bang on, champion.

4. New Zealand Warriors, somehow, are running fourth and not 10th where I figured they’d finish. But they could yet end up 10th for they are the Warriors, a bigger basket case than Bad Boy Bubby.

Verdict: Wrong. But powder dry.

5. Melbourne Storm I tipped for seventh on the basis that Cooper Cronk’s a Rooster and the other two champions turned 35 on the same day in June. So they’re going okay, Storm, without really being Storm. Keep safe, as they say.

Verdict: Standing by it.

6. Sydney Roosters – on the back of James Tedesco and Cooper Cronk and a “pack full of meat-eating madmen who love to dominate their enemies and hear the lamentations of their women” – I predicted the Chookies would finish in 3rd position upon the ladder.

Verdict: The Roosters will finish in third position upon the ladder.

7. Cronulla Sharks I tipped to run 5th because they have a lot of tough old blokes and fast ones and good ones, and they are a tasty burger. And now they have Aaron Woods to complement Fifita and Gallen and all the rest, and they could win it, also.

Verdict: Owning it.

8. Through considered analysis that consisted completely of “I just don’t like ‘em”, I tipped Brisbane Broncos to run 9th on the competition ladder. And that, as many a Raiders fan will tell you, is where one hopes they do finish.

Verdict: Owning this also.

And so outside the selections for 15th and 16th which couldn’t have been more wrong had I tipped Hawthorn to win from Chelsea, my predicted top eight was not the work of an ordinary idiot. But give it time. Because my premiers were…

9. Canberra Raiders! Ha. Yes, the Raiders, the harum-scarum weirdos of this National Rugby League who welcome back Josh Hodgson but will no more run first than Hawthorn or Kylie Minogue or a meat lovers pizza.

Verdict: Bad Boy Bubby strikes again.

10. Wests Tigers, eh? Going okay for a while. And they do have Robbie Farah back. And Benji Marshall is alive, it seems. And I do like their coach. But their predicted placing of 12th appears about right.

Verdict: Didn’t take Nostradamus. But as the receptionist says in Ghostbusters: We got one.

(AAP Image/Dean Lewins)

11. Gold Coast Titans are perennial duds, like the entire Gold Coast is for sports teams. You could take Real Madrid to the Gold Coast and they’d end up in Spanish third division. I tipped ‘em for 14th. If they stay 11th they’ll have over-achieved.

Verdict: Correct. But harder to tip the dawn.

12. The year’s big improvers, I foresaw, and you foresaw, and all of war-torn Warsaw foresaw, were the dear sweet Newcastle Knights, and it’s nice that it’s come to pass because like they meek they’ve had a heck of a time.

Run last three years straight the only way is up, and thus big improvement. I liked the Knights so much I tipped ‘em for 10th.

Verdict: I still like the Knights, and I still like ‘em for 10th.

13. North Queensland Cowboys – who I and many millions of people tipped to run 2nd and then probably go on to win the National Rugby League, are really, very, indecipherably poor.

They’ve had all their players. One of them’s going to be Immortal. The No.13 is Superman. And yet, here they are among the competition’s trough lollies.

Verdict: Wrong – but so was everyone else in the entire world.

14. It seems a long time ago, a more innocent time, but there was a time that I believed the Manly Sea Eagles would run 6th in the 2018 premiership. And I was not laughed out of school. And yet Manly have been, I believe the term is, completely shit-house.

Verdict: Wrong, but an understandable wrong.

15. The Bulldogs I tipped for 13th and that seems a long way off for them at the moment. The Dogs are very bad Dogs.

Verdict: No joy in it. But correct.

16. Parramatta Eels I had running 8th though Jarryd Hayne came last in a training run well behind the coach, 43-year-old Brad Arthur. Again – it seems a long time ago. Parra is rubbish. Poor Parra.

Verdict: Wrong. But so was Nostradamus.

The Crowd Says:

2018-06-29T07:30:03+00:00

Joe

Roar Rookie


I like it!! Seriously though, I think the Sharkies are going to come through big in the back end of the season. Their forward pack is unbelievable!

2018-06-29T06:48:50+00:00

John

Guest


I love how you put the answer into 3 categories and only use one of those once.

2018-06-29T06:15:22+00:00

Geoff Parkes

Expert


Great stuff Matt! Rubbish tipping is something we can all relate to but it takes nuts of steel to own it as well as you have. It also shows the perils of penning articles for Thurs/Fri instead of the coward's day, Monday...

2018-06-29T05:40:09+00:00

eagleJack

Roar Guru


3 Hats is still fighting the TAB for not paying out his Rabbits 2017 Premiership bet TAB: Ummm the Storm won the premiership, sir. 3 Hats: No they didn’t. Souths were the best team in the comp, give me my money!

2018-06-29T05:33:24+00:00

steveng

Roar Rookie


Well 'mushi' and 'Renegade' one out of two aint that bad lol but last year I thought that at the beginning of the season before GI got injured and then it was just a complete disaster. Madge just couldn't get the boys to fire and as I said, he had to be replaced. This year the Bunnies have new coach and GI, Gagai, Cook and most certainly some of the rookies have done so well, which is a great boost for the Bunnies. Lets how they go but, things look completely different than last year and the Bunnies are a serious side to challenge for MP and GF!

2018-06-29T04:58:19+00:00

KenW

Guest


'Storm were looking fragile?? When??' That was literally the first line in my post... July basically. They weren't going terribly or anything, but they were less than imperious. resting players. Doesn't distract from my point,this part of the year is a tough time for the top teams. Resting, injury and generally lower energy levels are common. Dragons fragile after May every season? Guilty a couple times recently but over the longer-term they actually tend to be a team that comes home with a wet sail.

2018-06-29T04:36:46+00:00

Renegade

Roar Guru


Yep, Premiers was the prediction last year ?

2018-06-29T04:33:50+00:00

Renegade

Roar Guru


Storm were looking fragile?? When?? They rested all of their origin players last year... plus you’re missing the part that the dragons look fragile after May every single season.

2018-06-29T04:14:42+00:00

KenW

Guest


I'm going to claim the Cowboys as well. I thought they were being hugely over-rated into favouritism based on 1 good month. I can't say I picked their true placing though, I did have them squeaking into the Top8

2018-06-29T03:36:20+00:00

mushi

Roar Guru


Didn't you also have a feeling they'd make the grand final last year?

2018-06-29T03:19:09+00:00

steveng

Roar Rookie


One thing that I was sure of is that the Bunnies were a top 4 side and they could even win the 'Minor premiership'! Well done boys and looking forward to some great performances from now on until September and hopefully the GF. Go the Bunnies!

2018-06-29T03:16:23+00:00

KenW

Guest


Storm won 2 from 4 around this time last year and 1 of those wins was sneaking home against a bottom 8 Raiders team. Sharks tied with Titans, and then lost the next 3 (incl 2 bottom 8 teams) post-origin in 2016 Cowboys lost 3 from 4 in a similar period 2015 Having a slow run post-Origin is almost a rite of passage for teams having a good year. The trick is doing what the Dragons did last night, accumulate the points even when you don't deserve it, and trust that your team will refresh for a strong run at the back-end of the year. The Bunnies are playing well but then again the Panthers rattled off 7 wins in a row in July/August last year while the Storm were looking a fragile.

2018-06-29T02:21:07+00:00

Mushi

Guest


To be fair Matt, most of yours were inline with the market view. Both NQ and the Dragons have helped my end of year celebration fund!

2018-06-29T01:48:11+00:00

RoryStorm

Guest


My pick at the start of the year for the grand final was Sharks v Storm after they came 1st & 2nd at season's end. I'm standing by it. Cronulla are going to benefit even more so after Woods joined them this week. I picked their opponents Melbourne because they are ummmmm, Melbourne. They will get themselves sorted by finals time and by then they will have enough class to intimidate whoever they come up against. Also, they are the team I follow & I am not going to tip against them. Also, I just remembered, it's Billy Slater's last year? Need I say more. Go Storm.

2018-06-29T01:45:13+00:00

Jason Hosken

Roar Guru


Ha. Bad Boy Bubby - take us through the cling wrap scene!!!

2018-06-29T01:13:25+00:00

Forty Twenty

Guest


The Eels demise has been largely attributed to the Semi bailing ship but who's to say if he was still in town that they wouldn't be like the Cows who have their big guns on deck. I wasn't sure about much before kick off and next year will be the same. I did however think the Tigers would be last and the teams fighting for the spoon now would largely be in the eight or near by instead of out of contention. I thought the Storm would come back to the pack as history is against them as premiers and I thought age would catch up to the Sharks more than it has. The Knights I think were over rated because they bought a lot of players but it still doesn't look like a top 8 roster to me. I don't do ladder predictions as a whole because it is futile for me but I didn't think the Broncos halves were a likely combination and I've seen little to change my mind however they do have a lot of good forwards emerging. Reading what some Manly fans are saying about their team is embarrassing. We are having a shocker but history has shown these types of years can galvanise teams for a future tilt at the title. Several players who were labelled as duds in the past couple of years have proven this fickle lot wrong. Api K and Brian Kelly have been scapegoats but have developed into top liners and if Kelly plays in a competitive outfit next year then the skies the limit.

AUTHOR

2018-06-29T00:43:40+00:00

Matt Cleary

Expert


Ha. Very ordinary picks. Though in my defence ... no, there is no defence. Ha. What I sort of tried to do was guess who'd be a slider, if you like ... went with Dragons and Souths, when Cows and Eels and Manly would've been better. But I wasn't going with them. Early March, they were all good.

AUTHOR

2018-06-29T00:43:24+00:00

Matt Cleary

Expert


Ha. Very ordinary picks. Though in my defence ... no, there is no defence. Ha. What I sort of tried to do was guess who'd be a slider, if you like ... went with Dragons and Souths, when Cows and Eels and Manly would've been better. But I wasn't going with them. Early March, they were all good.

AUTHOR

2018-06-29T00:41:38+00:00

Matt Cleary

Expert


Manly, Parra and Cows are the three weird ones. Especially Cows. How can they have such prime cattle, and be so ordinary? Two JTs alone should be carving up the comp, much less Morgan, Coote, Hess, McLean, Scott, Bolton, Cooper and the rest of their very good ones such as Justin O'Neil and Kane Linnett and Jake Granville. Something crook in Tallarook, surely.

2018-06-29T00:34:38+00:00

Pedro the Maroon

Roar Rookie


But Matt, who is your premiership pick now that you accept the Raiders are toast? As a Dragons fan, it pains me to admit their struggles against the easybeats in the comp worry me. As much as I hate it the Bunnies are looking very very good.

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