Will the Panthers ever be true premiership contenders?

By Penrith Punter / Roar Guru

Cast your mind back to 2014. Ivan Cleary’s band of young misfits and unwanted journeymen had just fallen 18-12 to Canterbury in the preliminary finals.

It was an agonising defeat for a Penrith side barely rated a chance of even making it to September, let alone 80 minutes away from a grand final.

And yet it appeared as if something special was building at the foot of the mountains.

At least, coach at the time Ivan Cleary thought so.

“It’s definitely a step in the right direction,” he said in the post-match press conference.

“We’ve made grand finals in the 16s, 18s, NSW Cup and got close in the NRL, so all in all it’s been a good year for the club.”

2015 was a write-off. A season ravaged by injuries, highlighted by the fact that Cleary was forced to field 11 different halves combinations throughout the year.

And later he joined the casualty ward with Anthony Griffin believed to be the man capable of taking the Panthers to the next level.

General manager Phil Gould didn’t even see the need to conduct any interviews. That’s how certain he was that Griffin was the right candidate.

Yet at the end of 2016, Griffin sat in the same spot Cleary did only two years prior, but this time it was after a semi-final defeat to Canberra.

Then captain Matt Moylan admitted: “We’re moving in the right direction. With the players coming through we’re confident and we’ve got some good experience coming to the club.”

And so, the Panthers were still moving in the right direction. They were still building something special.

By the end of the 2017 season, after a 13-6 loss to Brisbane in week two of the finals, Peter Wallace mirrored Moylan’s sentiments from the year prior.

“Obviously playing finals at a young age can only be a good experience, we’ll be better as a club next year.”

The cycle continued.

Griffin was later removed, caretaker coach Cameron Ciraldo was brought in and there was another semi-final exit, followed by the all-too-familiar speech about the potential at the club.

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“There’s some potential there and we’ve got to make sure we realise that,” he said.

“I’ve seen where the club has come from to where we are now, I can see we’ve got a couple of steps further in us.”

After winning the premiership in 2003, Penrith went on to record just two top-eight finishes in the following decade.

Since 2014, they have qualified four times and established the foundation for long-term success.

Penrith were a team of enormous potential back in 2014 and that tag can still be applied to them now, as they head into the off-season wondering what could have been.

And that word – potential – is one that should be seen as an insult.

Potential itself is defined as having or showing the capacity to develop into something in the future.

The key word here being future.

Each and every year since 2016, the Panthers have exited the competition two games short of a grand final berth.

And each and every time, that word potential has been used to brightly advertise the positive future at the club.

However, it is a term that the next coach of the Penrith Panthers needs to completely disregard.

This is a team that can win the premiership next year. And they need to be judged accordingly.

Not as a bunch of kids who are finding their way and will get there eventually.

While James Maloney’s arrival added some much-needed experience and composure to Penrith’s spine, he alone will not fix the fundamental issues holding the mountain men back from title contention.

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Maloney’s performance on the weekend against Cronulla was poor but equally diabolical was Penrith’s ball-handling in the opening half of the contest.

In the past five years, the Panthers have finished right near the top of the competition for handling errors, missed tackles and penalties conceded.

The talent at the foot of the mountains is undeniable. You only have to look at the runaway try to Waqa Blake on Friday night to realise this.

But this has never been the problem.

Rather, the issue is that too often the Panthers rob themselves of any chance of showing of these skills because they simply can’t get the fundamentals right.

Trailing 18-2 to Cronulla at halftime on the weekend, Penrith headed into the sheds with just over 30 per cent of the ball after completing just 53 per cent of their sets.

In the second forty, however, their completion rate stood at 80 per cent and they came close to claiming the biggest comeback victory in finals history.

Regardless of who is selected as Penrith’s coach for next year, the emphasis has to be on building pressure first. Then the points will come.

Otherwise, the slow starts will continue and they will remain a team of potential and nothing else.

Gould came under fire for the sacking of Griffin last month, with his own ego cited by many as the underlying motive behind the shocking move.

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The 60-year old claimed that under Griffin, the Panthers would not have been able to win a premiership.

That comment only makes his next decision the biggest of his time at Penrith.

If Griffin wasn’t the man to help the Panthers become more than just a team of potential, who is?

Ciraldo has proven himself to be a handy replacement in the past month, with his greatest attribute being his close connection with the club and intimate knowledge of the playing group.

But he is only 33-years old. The assistant coaching position is his rightful level.

The main role, however, is suited for someone more experienced. Potentially Wayne Bennett.

Maybe Cleary. But doubts remain over whether the specialist at rebuilding teams is just as adept in taking them to the next level.

It’s all speculation at the moment.

What is certain, however, is that this is one decision Gould must get right.

Penrith may have the strongest junior development system in the competition. But the next challenge is actually developing these players into premiership winners.

And until this happens, the Panthers will remain just a team of potential and nothing more.

The Crowd Says:

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2018-09-19T10:02:09+00:00

Penrith Punter

Roar Guru


Thanks Rory, appreciate it. Penrith's premiership window is closing quickly, despite the fact their side is still relatively young. With Maloney there, they have the experience needed. When he leaves, however, it will be interesting to see how the team operates as a whole. Melbourne have built a dynasty off Smith, Slater, Cronk etc. and they were crafted into true professionals. Penrith have the same chance if they can hold onto the bulk of their current roster but they don't fill me with as much hope given their unpredictability.

2018-09-19T01:19:26+00:00

RoryStorm

Guest


Possibly/probably one of the best articles written this year on our great game. I agree with you whole heartedly on all points except one but on the last one I think it's 50/50 wether Ciraldo keeps the head coaching job. It's hard to say he did a good job after taking over the coaching job, but it's equally hard to say he did a bad job. What I do know is he trotted out the same diatribe as Griffin, Gould and anyone else associated with the coaching of this talented team. The thing is, we all know that. But who is going to step up and deliver this premiership? I have no idea what the answer is otherwise I'd be putting my hand up for the job. Gould has to accept most of the blame for what is happening with the coaching role. If Penrith win the comp in the next 2-3 years, he can sit back and say, "see, I told you so". They should have already been close but the reality is, they've been nowhere near winning it.

2018-09-17T22:11:10+00:00

Nat

Roar Guru


I cannot think of a successful u20s team that has taken those (mostly) same player to a 1st grade premiership.

2018-09-17T10:26:30+00:00

souvalis

Roar Rookie


I don’t know if that would’ve helped him,40,if he’d gone out in straight sets again..but he’s certainly brought some players on..Townsend,Feki,Lee and his juniors Brailey and Sorensen have all had major improvement over the season..

2018-09-17T10:21:57+00:00

souvalis

Roar Rookie


Well,the silly season is just around the corner and I think it’s going to be a spectacular buyers market this time round..

2018-09-17T08:35:05+00:00

Forty Twenty

Roar Rookie


Shane Flannagan has done well out of players discarded by more experienced coaches. The Sharks could have gone for an experienced coach when they signed him but he led them to their first title and is in the last 4 teams again this season with a stack of players let go by his rivals. I don't know the circumstances of all his signings but players like Michael Innes, Luke Lewis, Matt Prior, Andrew Fifita , Ben Barba and Maloney among many others have shown you don't need to be that experienced to be astute as a coach.

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2018-09-17T06:20:19+00:00

Penrith Punter

Roar Guru


Yes, a particularly good one... hope you enjoy the time I posted this comment too.

2018-09-17T05:52:12+00:00

Chris.P.Bacon

Guest


"Morning 420"....what are you secretly saying here AJ? Was it a good morning? :)

2018-09-17T05:45:02+00:00

BA Sports

Roar Guru


I had an issue with Capewell establishing a position under the ball and then not contesting (preventing Crichton from having any chance of getting the ball). If it were a defensive player preventing the attacking player from jumping, it would have been a clear cut penalty, and as far as I am aware the rule is supposed to be applied the same way against attacking players.

2018-09-17T05:41:44+00:00

Nat

Roar Guru


I have no issue with Ciraldo, his one advantage is he's not going to lose his role at the Panthers, most likely supportive, as even Gus wouldn't sack a stand in with 2 weeks experience - I hope. Whoever gets the gig needs to evolve talented youngsters into true 1st graders which is defence. Not as sexy as scoring but twice as vital.

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2018-09-17T04:00:20+00:00

Penrith Punter

Roar Guru


Yeah the pass from Fifita was a 50/50. I'll have a look back at it but I almost don't want to as a Penrith fan because I'm slowly getting over that loss.

2018-09-17T03:51:49+00:00

Albo

Roar Rookie


Apart from the obstruction on Crichton, I thought at least one of the chasers was in front of Moylan ( the kicker) but no one else in officialdom seemed interested . Just as no one seemed interested in Fifita's forward pass to Townsend for the first try ?

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2018-09-17T02:26:53+00:00

Penrith Punter

Roar Guru


What was wrong with the Holmes try BA? I saw some people saying Capewell (I think) obstructed someone in the air but it didn't look too bad. Agree about the need for a coach who places defence as the priority and I loved seeing Ciraldo's reaction to that try - completely unfiltered and just pure passion.

2018-09-17T02:22:28+00:00

BA Sports

Roar Guru


League is a game of inches. If the Val Holmes try is correctly reviewed and not awarded, then we may not be having this conversation and instead Ciraldo is turning them around and the Panthers are showing a great attitude in digging themselves out of the hole they have been in.. If I were a PAnthers fan I would be happy with Ciraldo as coach going forward, provided there was an experienced defensive man in an assistant role. From what you can tell, Ciraldo has the room from a culture perspective, and the players have the offensive ability. he just needs to implement some structure and and the support of someone to tighten up the defence. And who wouldn't want to play for a coach who reacts the way Ciraldo did on the Blake try... That was awesome for fans and ultimatly players to see.

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2018-09-17T01:53:53+00:00

Penrith Punter

Roar Guru


All great points Albo. Edwards is a great support runner, DWZ still provides plenty of strong running. Maloney and Cleary should only get better and if they don't, Luai will be waiting in the wings. Hooker is certainly the contentious spot. Katoa arguably has more upside but with that comes risks. I would say potentially try get Egan to play 80 but perhaps bring on Katoa when opposition forwards are tiring. In saying that, Penrith have plenty of brilliant players so I think they need a simple, effective number nine and that's why Wallace was a good fit. Their outside backs are fine in my opinion. The issue is the lack of set plays/direction in attack stifles their opportunities.

2018-09-17T01:47:12+00:00

Albo

Roar Rookie


The key to developing a premiership winning team has to start with maintaining a high quality spine. At the start of the year there was promise with their developing spine of Edwards, Cleary , Maloney & Wallace. But by half way through the competition Edwards & Wallace were gone for the year and while Cleary & Maloney got the Blues home, their later weeks of the season were a struggle for them . Maloney in particular was ordinary to poor for most of the second half of the year. Whether he was carrying injury or just old weary bones , I couldn't say. His game on Friday night was woeful and I can understand the talk of letting him go. The team can no longer start each match with such a handicap of awful defence on that left edge that had become every opposition team's target in & around Maloney. The true value of the swap with Moylan finally came home to roost on Friday night. Panthers have obviously lost that deal for now. I still believe the Panthers brainstrust also made an error in sticking with Katoa as the number 9 replacement for Wallace rather than using Wayde Egan. Katoa's poor dummy half play cost them yet again on Friday night. Moving forward, the Panthers will need to get its spine in order for 2019 to be any sort of contender. Edwards will be back, Cleary hopefully will be back. Maloney is due to be there but I would hope Luai pushes for the 6 spot, and hopefully Wayde Egan gets the 9 shirt. Keeping this spine fit & together will be the key to the Panthers chances in 2019. They have plenty of quality young forwards coming through, but need to find some better outside backs to compliment the spine.

2018-09-17T00:48:32+00:00

Larry1950

Guest


Bit like the Warriors U20 assembly line, all good when it's a basketball score but when hard grunt is needed, they go missing.

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2018-09-17T00:32:34+00:00

Penrith Punter

Roar Guru


I definitely agree it all happened pretty quickly. I guess the Cartwright one is tough given it is mental health we are talking about and perhaps the signs weren't there. I think they thought giving Moylan the captaincy would make him mature more but it didn't work out in the end so perhaps they could have handled that better.

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2018-09-17T00:24:47+00:00

Penrith Punter

Roar Guru


Their defence is inconsistent at best, definitely. It showed against Cronulla, particularly in the try to Lewis, they need to find more grunt and determination defending their line. Although it obviously becomes much harder if they continually drop the ball and put themselves under continual pressure. I think Ciraldo needs to stay involved with the club due to his relationship with the boys but for the reasons you give, I believe the assistant role is better suited.

2018-09-17T00:23:20+00:00

The Barry

Roar Guru


Yeah I don’t disagree that the right calls were made on Cartwright and Moylan but does that then make the decisions to sign both to big money long term deals only a season earlier a mistake...? It was pretty strange they were the players to build the future around and 12 months later out the door altogether. Especially when they’d cleared out the previous generation of players to give those guys their opportunities.

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