You might like watching Manly suffer, but we need them

By Tim Gore / Expert

There have been lots of NRL supporters who’ve been gleefully watching the steaming excrement sandwich that has been unfolding on the northern beaches over the past five seasons.

There has been lots of talk of relocating the club or – worse still – seeing them fold.

However, the NRL needs the Manly Warringah Sea Eagles. They are essential to the fabric of rugby league in Australia. They are, whether you like it or not.

Sure, the Manly Warringah Sea Eagles can be a particularly unloveable club. We’ve all got our stories. I’ve detailed some of my experiences in disliking them and their fans before but another incident that always comes to mind is when I was leaving Canberra Stadium after a Friday night match in May 2008.

During the game, Sea Eagle Adam Cuthbertson had completely coat-hangered a Raider and was duly sent off by referee Sean Hampstead. Although the Sea Eagles went into the sheds leading 12-0 there was an expectation that the Raiders would come home over the top of the Sea Eagles.

That’s not the way it played out though. The Sea Eagles came out in the second half with a very tight game plan of ball control and field position. Dummy half running was about the only thing they did and their kick chases were outstanding.

They completely controlled the game and strangled the Raiders. They took the game 31-18, much to the delirious joy of their travelling contingent of supporters.

And didn’t they rub it in. All of the way out of the ground many of the Sea Eagles fans could not have been more obnoxious, inflammatory and offensive. I watched as they abused and ridiculed Raiders fans, including children.

I watched a couple of blokes hitting the tops of departing cars with their flags. I really didn’t like it. I didn’t like them.

While I’m sure that examples of that sort of behaviour are in no way limited to the supporters of the Sea Eagles, it really stuck with me.

Judging by the high level of dislike amongst other NRL supporters for the Manly Warringah Sea Eagles I’m hardly the lone ranger either.

Manly: They know you don’t like them, and they don’t care. (AAP Image/Brendon Thorne)

Many of those detractors are right now thinking about just how good is it watching the Manly Warringah Sea Eagles in such dire straits. There’s a lot of Schadenfreude going on.

In the last couple of years we’ve seen their 2011 premiership side break apart, often acrimoniously. We’ve seen them miss the finals in three of the last four seasons. We’ve seen issues with sponsors and fighting in the boardroom.

They’ve been busted breaking the salary cap and now have to play out the next couple of seasons with less in their cap as a punishment. They’ve got the very worst ground in the NRL and their offices and training facilities that are better suited to a Group 9 team, and their fans don’t travel.

Further, their coach quit and now they are casting around looking for a replacement. If reports are to be believed, captain Daly Cherry-Evans says he will walk if Neil Henry is appointed.

Manly’s DCE (AAP Image/Action Photographics, Grant Trouville)

Now it seems that prodigal son Des Hasler just might return with his less than stellar record of managing salary caps. However, the suggestion that he could reinvigorate their all-important siege mentality is certainly a good one.

Amongst all this, it’s no surprise that there are heaps of people gleefully suggesting that relocating the Sea Eagles to Perth is a genuine option.

But it isn’t. Not even slightly.

The NRL needs the Manly Warringah Sea Eagles right where they are. The NRL needs them to be competitive. There are so many reasons for that too.

Firstly, footy is all about rivalries. I hear so many people saying that enjoyment of the game is paramount and support of a club should be subjugated by that.

Bollocks.

While the actual product is essential in getting people initially interested, what keeps people coming back is their affiliation with their own club. The game itself becomes totally secondary to that.

When you have an abiding loyalty to a team it closely follows that there will be teams that you start to dislike, even hate. Those rivalries are vital to the passion of the game. It can take a long time to build up a truly fierce rivalry with another club.

It took the Storm over a decade for other teams supporters to really hate them. Think how much you love your side beating the Broncos or the Roosters (unless of course you support them). You just don’t get that sort of pleasure from beating teams you are ambivalent about.

Lots of us get that same deep pleasure from beating the Sea Eagles who have been getting opposition supporters offside since 1947. To remove the Sea Eagles from the Northern Beaches or to let them fold would waste all of that hard earned enmity.

Secondly, the Sea Eagles are the only team north of the harbour. While their fans might not really seem to know how to get to the other side, the idea of ceding that area and its supporters to other codes is unthinkable.

While the Sea Eagles fans can be some of the most one eyed and obnoxious going around, they add such a colourful segment to the rich tapestry that is the NRL.

Tom Wright of the Sea Eagles (Photo by Jason McCawley/Getty Images)

Thirdly, the idea of relocating teams and just expecting them to be adopted passionately up by the locals is ludicrous. Creating new sides ideally is done in an area where there is already strong grassroots. When the Panthers and Sharks were included in 1967 they had strong local competitions.

So did the Raiders and Steelers in 1982. The Broncos and Knights also had it in 1988. Do Perth or Adelaide actually have what is needed? I’m not so sure. So the idea of moving an established club with long term, traditional support from an area where there are no other clubs is ludicrous to me.

Lastly, I really want to hate Manly: the team and their fans. I really do. However, I’ve had the opportunity to meet many of the players and officials. I’ve been hosted many times at their ground.

They have been some of the best and most helpful people I’ve met while working around the game. The likes of Jamie Lyon and Daly Cherry-Evans I’ve found to be superb humans. Further, I can’t name a ground in the NRL where the staff are so helpful. Then there are the likes of the Turbo brothers who are such ornaments to the game.

Tom Trbojevic (AAP Image/Dave Hunt)

The Manly Warringah Sea Eagles are part of what is great about rugby league. They are an essential part. We need them.

Right now the NRL needs to be working industriously with the club to get it back on the right track and back to their successful ways.

And then we can all enjoy really hating them properly again.

The Crowd Says:

2018-10-28T01:09:20+00:00

Cadfael

Roar Guru


Of course we need them. Someone kicked out the only other north harbour side.

2018-10-23T06:17:23+00:00

Bernie Vinson

Roar Rookie


The dropoff in the Manly RL area has been dramatic in the last 20 years whilst others have dropped off a bit

2018-10-23T06:13:03+00:00

Bernie Vinson

Roar Rookie


Manlys strength was its juniors - Easts survive on imports and a fascinating salary cap device - Cronulla is the ocean for strong Southern RL territory and Souths rely on Crown casino and have had many lean years.

2018-10-22T10:57:12+00:00

Muzz

Guest


10 years ago?...... lol Times have changed.

2018-10-20T20:05:38+00:00

UKRL

Roar Rookie


Cronulla working class lol.. Are you serious Aligee?. The average house price there is over 2 million bucks. Is the most expensive district in the Southern half of Sydney. I guarantee if Manly were near the top of the table all the time like Cronulla. The support would come back.

2018-10-20T01:24:38+00:00

Aligee

Roar Rookie


Complete difference between Manly and Cronulla, Cronulla still has a decent footprint at junior RL level which Manly has lost, if you have a grass roots footprint you low there are people interested in the game. Cronulla was built as a place after WW2 and the 1930's depression to house working class people and still retains quite a large semblance of that demo that has yet to sell out in the Sydney housing market. Manly working class RL fans sold out long ago and the shambles that the Manly JRL comp is testament to it, they should move to the CC and Gosford etc where people actually support the game, the battle in the Northern Beaches is lost.

2018-10-19T22:51:07+00:00

KillaKanga

Roar Rookie


This might come as a surprise considering my main allegiance which BTW has been ongoing for for 55 + years But I neither hate nor want to see Manly gone. I can honestly say that I don't truly hate any team unless you count the Warriors :-)

2018-10-19T21:41:14+00:00

Tom G

Guest


Mate that wasn’t funny when that clown Brian Waldron said it ten years ago

2018-10-19T21:37:45+00:00

Tom G

Guest


Great points all of them. Unfortunately most will argue against all of them because of their ridiculous cliche Manly hate.

2018-10-19T21:25:35+00:00

db

Guest


It's a real word. It means a level of bias that gives extreme pleasure. I get positively biasmic when talking about the team I support.

2018-10-19T21:24:07+00:00

UKRL

Roar Rookie


Every time a club has a bad period people say they should move to Perth. The same thing was said about Cronulla before they won the comp in 2016. If Manly were top of the league, would we even be having this conversation?

2018-10-19T14:15:59+00:00

KiwiBear

Roar Rookie


biasm? are you just inventing new words now?

2018-10-19T14:05:35+00:00

KiwiBear

Roar Rookie


I am not sure I completely agree but it could work. However I wonder what you mean by " The fans would be ready for a merger, unlike in 2000 when the NRL dropped a bombshell announcing mergers. The Norths Club would know their place." What in your mind would be Norths "place"?

2018-10-19T13:44:24+00:00

KiwiBear

Roar Rookie


"They’re in a way worse situation all round than the Bears were, when they were booted". True but since then clubs have been a protected species.

2018-10-19T13:36:32+00:00

KiwiBear

Roar Rookie


NSDRL runs and administers the game in Northern Sydney. MWDRL runs and administers the game on the Northern Beaches. You cant take what you don't own!

2018-10-19T13:13:27+00:00

KiwiBear

Roar Rookie


@ Peter And with that comment you demonstrate why MW are not iked and why their fans are not liked as the author of this article demonstrated by his recollections. Why are you such an angry little man? Is it that you are threatened by even the possibility of Manly joining the list of former top grade clubs? For the record; North Sydney is not "dead and buried" as you claim. We (yes I am a Bears supporter!) are just going about our business running a club. If we were so dead and buried then how is it that we have funds to even look at the option of joining the NRL again? Also the Bears run the club on the smell of an oily rag compared to the tonne of Money that NRL clubs can bring in and yet with all that money Manly are in trouble. Maybe just maybe they don't deserve to stay in the NRL. But I will begrudgingly say that they should be given the chance to fix what clearly is an extremely ugly situation there. As far as your last comment, "A disgrace? Try looking at the club playing out of North Sydney Oval in the NSW Cup" My answer to that is at least the Bears are still competing, without deep pockets and without large NRL grants they fielded a team in the NSW womens comp where was Manlys?

2018-10-19T12:43:10+00:00

KiwiBear

Roar Rookie


@ Shane. You are right in saying there is an easier solution but kicking them out is not the answer. If you do just kick them out then you merely have a bunch of disgruntled former fans who wont watch or participate. If the Manly-Warringah club do fail then yes give the NRL license to the Bears. The Bears have already demonstrated they are wiling and able to step back up into the NRL. Just dont prop up MW or any other club like has been the case in the past.

2018-10-19T09:41:55+00:00

Craig Brennan

Guest


I would like to add that they are unlike, due to tall poppy syndrome, they are the only club that has won a premiership in every decade for 5 in row. They have also won more premierships since league changed to limited tackle rule, than any other club and they will rise again, as they always do. Go the mighty Eagles. Oh the behaviour yes have you been to Redfern oval in the early days, or cumberlind oval or Parramatta stadium or Belmore waving flags and boosting is mild compare to the rate bag actions of supporters from other clubs.

2018-10-19T07:18:56+00:00

Tony nicod

Guest


Also a grand final in 1951 after only 4 years in comp and Arko at half back. Parra entered comp same year. By time first grand final in 1976 Manly had been in 7 And won 2. Won 4 by time Parra won first and never wooden spooners whilst Parra spent most of first 15 years as wooden spooners

2018-10-19T05:56:21+00:00

sssgid4l

Roar Rookie


Manly should have kept the Northern Eagles image and kept links in the central coast. There is nothing wrong with playing a couple of games a year at Brookie but, Manly needed and needs to change the image. Northern Eagles would have been premiership winners now.

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