Six talking points from A-League Round 6

By perry cox / Roar Guru

The season is starting to build up a solid head of steam and the table is starting to take a little bit of shape, so let’s take a look at some of the major points from Round 6 of the A-League.

The opportunities perpetually being lost for the Wanderers
If you needed a microcosm of the development and differing trajectories of two clubs in the space of 90 minutes, then you needn’t look any further than Melbourne Victory’s complete dismantling of the Western Sydney Wanderers on Saturday night.

The Victory’s development into a true powerhouse in the Australian sporting landscape speaks for itself: success, following, star players, a true glamour club of the competition, and along with Sydney FC, a club that is genuinely recognised at home and abroad.

The Victory’s off-field success was exemplified on-field in the way they made the Wanderers look like a total class apart.

What happened to Western Sydney Wanderers?

While there is the argument that they were too successful too quickly, I don’t buy that for a second, particularly when you consider that the likes of Victory and Sydney FC have managed early success quite well, while you think of a club like Melbourne Storm in rugby league that won a comp after two seasons, and don’t seem to be complaining too much.

Early success isn’t a bad thing.

Remember, the Wanderers were very quickly the club that every club aspired to be: well-supported, and successful.

The Wanderers made grand finals, and became the first Australian club to win the Asian Champions League. How has it all gone so wrong?

The Red and Black Bloc, the self-appointed supporters group for the Wanderers, are equally unhappy, and while their influence and standing may have diminished over the seasons, well, they are not happy, as evidenced by a post on their Facebook page:

“We went from being a member’s oriented club, to this out of touch, inept organisation.

“Investment in the squad resembles that of a mediocre club, while the board “aspires” to be the biggest club in the country.

“Our squad has no depth and the results definitely show.

“The only strategy those at the helm of our club have, is to wait for a new stadium to be built, clinging onto hope that a new Western Sydney stadium may miraculously fix everything.

“The person in charge of this club is now the one selected to lead the A-League.

“An indictment on football in this country.

“Stop asking members to spend their hard earned money with nothing to show for it. Use it.”

The RBB Facebook page, in case you’re wondering (no pun intended), have a following of approximately 37,000.

Now, putting aside whatever merits of their complaint you might disagree with, one thing is undeniable: rather than competing with the likes of Melbourne Victory and Sydney FC for bragging rights of superiority in this league, the Wanderers have gone from being a members based club, to one that is largely lacking in identity, and very well short on success.

What impact the loss of Tony Popovic at the start of the last season has had on this club, we may never completely know, but the symptoms are telling.

However, that the loss of a coach, regardless of what happened last season, might still be holding the Wanderers back so badly even at this stage, makes you question how much of the club’s success was about the club as a whole, or simply due to an astute appointment of Poppa in the inaugural season.

The good thing for the Wanderers, at least this season, is that they have plenty of time to turn things around, and in Marcus Babbel they have another smart signing that might be able to turn around the fortunes.

However, as pointed out by the RBB, with the lack of player depth at the moment, Babbel can’t work miracles.

But from a broader view, getting the house in order, re-engaging with their fan base, as the RBB point out, if those in charge of the Wanderers believe that a new stadium will be some sort of miracle cure for all the club’s ills, then the Wanderers have much deeper problems than 4-nil losses to the reigning champion, which is such a shame.

Everything was in place for the Wanderers in those foundation years and subsequent seasons to truly take this competition, and the country, by storm. That hasn’t happened, and on current projections, looks largely unlikely to happen.

What a waste that truly would be.

(Photo by Nigel Owen/Action Plus via Getty Images)

Action on the sidelines
Talk about drama.

The sideline antics from John Aloisi and Marco Kurz made for truly entertaining viewing on Friday night.

Two coaches at each other, passion for days, Aloisi fighting to back his knocked out player, Kurz returning fire with a passioned defence of his players.

Just what the league needs, right?

Right?

The thing about Friday night is that, for me, coaches at each other’s throats really isn’t what the league needs.

Friday night needed the two coaches, in a highly volatile situation, to remain calm, and focused only on one thing: the well being of the unconscious player, Stefan Mauk.

Add in the vision of an upright Mauk leaving the field and kicking out at the stadium, it all added up to yet another episode of ‘old soccer,’ or that unsightly uncontrolled volatility that the game, at least in this country, is trying to rid itself.

And Kurz has history in this regard as well, being continuously carded by referees, and coaching a side that has players sent off with rhythmic regularity.

So, while it was entertaining, it would have been slightly more refreshing to see two coaches working with one another as colleagues, to ensure player safety, rather than reaching for their rattles at ten paces.

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Same old, same old, Central Coast
Remember back when the Central Coast Mariners looked like they might be competitive this season?

When, despite the whole Bolt circus, after two rounds, the Mariners were testing their opponents and seemed unlucky to be winless, but destined for some wins?

Round 2 seems like a long, long, long time ago.

Now, to be fair, Central Coast lost to Sydney FC via an unfortunate penalty (I believe the foul was outside the box, in particular if Rhyan Grant’s boot was planted on the penalty box line and he was lunging forward), and an absolute rocket from Brendan O’Neill delivered with the type of ferocity that would make grown men, or Ben Kennedy, cry.

But the harsh reality of the situation as it currently stands is that after six rounds, the Mariners have precisely zero wins, and are back in that old familiar territory of bottom spot.

Never has a club been so perfectly summed up than the way the Mariners are when a pitch invader made it all the way to a goalmouth untouched, despite doing so with a moon boot and crutches.

It all seemed so genuinely hopeful early on that the Mike Mulvey revolution was going to bear immediate fruit, and such fruits may still be picked.

But the thing about pressure is that with every round that passes without a win, that pressure ramps up, and suddenly, so many simple things start to become more difficult, and that first win seems further and further away.

Mulvey must be cursing the name ‘Usain Bolt.’

As current circumstances are proving, as if turning this club around wasn’t going to be hard enough, but the added circus of the Bolt Show, now having left town, has left a little bit of uncertainty in its place.

And left to pick up the pieces? One M Mulvey, the same man who was already trying to put together the pieces of a club coming off its worst ever season.

I don’t know how much time Central Coast have given Mulvey, and I hope for their sake they are buying into his long term plan.

But at the moment? It looks like the same old Mariners, and it isn’t pretty.

How good is Honda?
Seriously, how good is he?

4-nil up in the 92nd minute of a clash against a completely outplayed opponent, what do you do? Do you run the clock down, play safe, and enjoy the three points and boost to your goal difference? Hell no you don’t!

That’s right, you go for the kill, and keep plugging away for more.

Or at least, that’s what you do when you are Japanese superstar Keisuke Honda.

Make no mistake, Honda is not the star player that the A-League deserves, but by gum he is the star player that this league needs.

His candid interview post-match about not caring about the result (doubt that’s completely true), but wanting to entertain and make the crowd happy – that right there is what this league needs in ways unimaginable.

If every club was given a player like Honda, and remember, again, that is what the marquee player is for, if you had that star player craving to entertain the masses, then you would go some way to answering the problem of dwindling crowds and TV viewers.

And for Melbourne, they are the club to do it, with the likes of Honda, Ola Toivonen, James Troisi, and now Raul Baena, then Honda is right, Melbourne are the team to entertain and keep scoring.

Wins are all good and well, but when you think about it, if you play a thrilling brand of football, something you can guarantee to deliver, then perhaps crowds and TV numbers will come back, even at the risk of watching your team not winning, something you can never guarantee on delivering.

(Photo by Quinn Rooney/Getty Images)

The distance VAR-by
Sigh.

I love the Distance Derby.

5,255 km of gruelling distance travelled for 90 minutes of football, the teams do themselves justice three times a year to not only each make the 10,000 km round trip on such a regular basis, but still put on as good as show as they did on this occasion.

And here I was, all ready to wax lyrical about the Distance Derby in all its splendour, when the VAR rears its ugly little insipid head once again, and ruins everything.

As if Mark Rudan and his Nix didn’t have it hard enough, second last on the table and welcoming the ladder leader to town, but finding themselves miraculously at 1-nil up with 15 to go, surely Wellington supporters were booking out the local for a ticker tape parade.

And then the ref made the most stomach-churning signal in world football: the finger to the ear.

That’s right, the VAR was sitting there ready to ruin the contest, and in the process also ruining my pledge to keep talking points a VAR-free zone.

Now, I’m genuinely not sure who was more surprised by the delivery of the red to Ryan Lowry, who had put in a hard shift in his four-minute substitute appearance to that point: Rudan, Poppa, the commentators, the players, everyone at the game, or anyone watching with at least one eyeball and two or more brain cells.

That Lowry’s slide-tackle was deemed, upon multiple slow-montion reviews, worthy of a red card is the biggest indictment on the game since, well, funnily enough, the last time VAR intervened in such a huge moment.

And what happened? Lowry was off, the ladder leaders had a man advantage, and you guessed it, Perth scored minutes after Lowry’s departure.

Now, granted, a 1-all draw with the table-toppers by Wellington is still a great result, but make no mistake, the referee and use of the VAR robbed Wellington of a much needed, potentially season altering win, a fact that should not be forgotten.

You know what, instead of me bagging out the VAR, can someone please, just please, tell me how the game in this country has improved under VAR?

Just get rid of it. Get rid of it, get rid of it, get rid of it.

(Photo by Hagen Hopkins/Getty Images)

Was that silence a protest, was it?
I mentioned in last round’s talking points that Warren Joyce needed to be careful about the battle he wanted to have with his star players.

Well, to prove that he is a man of principle and won’t be deterred, he doubled-down on his show of authority, and omitted Bruno Fornaroli again.

The natives, it must be said, have become restless.

With reports that Bruno would again be missing the game and ordered to research Lite N Easy recipes, the fans decided something had to be done: protest.

The issue for Melbourne City, and their fans in particular though, is that if you are going to protest in the form of limited fan participation, whether it be non-attendance to the game or the 23-minutes of silence to open the match, then in order for that protest to have any real impact, it helps if your fans actually attend and participate in previous occasions.

If you ask me, the Melbourne City fans have been silently protesting for a few seasons now, and it’s hard to threaten not attending the game when hardly anyone shows up to begin with.

The bigger shame in all this is that the whole Joyce vs Fornaroli fued is a distraction, particularly when the real stories were Johnny Koutroumbis returning from cancer, Luke Brattan’s wonder strike and Riley McGree opening the scoring against his former club side.

As for Warren Joyce, match success or not, his battle with his players is now him against the players and the fans.

Is that a battle he genuinely thinks he is going to win? Joyce seems to genuinely think so, and he will be ably assisted by City winning without Bruno.

The Crowd Says:

2018-12-05T12:08:56+00:00

Chen Yang

Roar Pro


Yeah but balance must be struck mate, its not a 1 way street. Whats that old saying again, do unto other what you would others do unto you? :)

2018-12-05T12:05:37+00:00

Chen Yang

Roar Pro


Slick writing mate. Ignore the hate:)

2018-12-04T06:52:17+00:00

Matsu

Roar Rookie


I dropped in hoping that the Roar would have at least some commentary/discussion on the massive broadcast debacle last weekend, and was disappointed not to see it mentioned at all, on ANY thread. I suppose a "talking points" thread is the best place to raise it, so here goes. Is anyone on this site even aware of what happened? I understand that this wouldnt have affected anyone based in Australia, but would have thought that such a massive debacle would at least have been noticed. For those who are wondering what Im on about, Im discussing a facepalm-inducing fiasco by the A-League's YouTube "broadcasters" -- My Football -- during the Victory - Wanderers match. I have tried my best to get some response about what happened, without success, but it isnt hard to guess. The many people who logged in to see the contest live were appalled to see the contest kick off with no sound feed, and within a few minutes it was clear that the camera was also not the "Official" Fox Sports feed either. It was shaky as hell, and kept switching to shots of the crowd. After about ten minutes it was clear to everyone that what we were seeing was a Smartphone camera feed (video only), from somewhere low in the second deck. The cameraperson did not even show the aftermath to the PK won by Barbarouses, instead opting to show pictures of various fans shouting and jumping around. Only after the PK had been scored did the camera switch back to the field of play, leaving many to wonder what the score was! In the second half, FOX's feed finally resumed, but there was no explanation of what had happened, and by that time a good 1000 people or so had just switched off. It should go without saying that the Victory games are the main draw for people outside Australia (with Honda and Toivonen). My own unscientific polling suggests that average matches get 300-600 viewers at a given moment, while the Victory matches sometimes reach 2,000. Those arent huge numbers, but they DO suggest that there is at least some potential to advertise the A-League to fans worldwide. Certainly Honda's impact on Australian fans is the most important factor to consider, but there is clearly potential to interest fans in Japan and other countries as well, if this YouTube-based broadcasting is done properly. This leaves me utterly befuddled by the degree to which the A-League dropped the ball on last week's broadcast. Those of you who can access or spoof a non-Ozzie ISP should check it out for themselves (particularly the things people are saying in the live feed comments). It isnt a pretty sight : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExPwtUmc0qo It naturally bothers me to see that the A-League has such little interest in providing a competent broadcast to people outside the country, but Im even more disturbed to think that the debacle wasnt even noticed by A-League fans. There is a genuine opportunity to market Australian football overseas, based on what Ive seen over the first five weeks (FYI Ive watched at least two matches from each week, always including the Victory). But if the organisers cant even be bothered to provide decent quality on their most heavily-watched contest of the week, it is not going to be easy to lure disappointed viewers back. Wondering what others think of this matter (and whether any of you were aware of this, prior to my post).

2018-12-04T02:46:04+00:00

Lionheart

Roar Rookie


well done to them

2018-12-04T02:44:16+00:00

Lionheart

Roar Rookie


but they're $3mil and a few good ex Roar players ahead of the rest Nemesis

2018-12-04T02:42:45+00:00

Lionheart

Roar Rookie


yep, it was a great game with lots of talking points. I do agree with Karlo's calling out Marco Kurz though - AU are a bunch of thugs under him. I thought the passion shown by both coaches at the end though, which was calmly handled by Aloisi in time, was outdone only by Jurgen Klopp's race onto the field after his side scored the winner in their derby in the 96th minute. Old soccer - pfft. These are the things we love about football.

2018-12-03T21:15:20+00:00

Post_hoc

Roar Rookie


Thanks Redondo, not sure there was a bad player in Victory's team that night

2018-12-03T21:14:03+00:00

Post_hoc

Roar Rookie


For me Mr AFL, the premiers plate is worth more than the championship, it is just the way I was raised.

2018-12-03T06:30:55+00:00

Mister Football

Roar Guru


Very nice lay off, watching live, I had it on in the background, and I initially thought it was Honda with the assist.

2018-12-03T06:29:47+00:00

Mister Football

Roar Guru


That's a decent record on the part of the Wanderers, although they are still chasing that elusive championship.

2018-12-03T05:34:13+00:00

Fadida

Guest


Agree, Brainstrust is up there with the least intelligent of all posters

2018-12-03T04:32:10+00:00

Redondo

Roar Rookie


Well said Post_hoc. It’s a phenomenon peculiar to this site that losing a game or two is used as evidence of a failing club or a failing league. I guess what the A-League needs is for every team to win every week. That’s a plan! And, yes, Honda is a gem. Others deserve a mention too - Toivonen’s layoff for Antonis’ goal was a sight to see. Antonis might just be ready to fulfil his promise too.

2018-12-03T03:24:59+00:00

Post_hoc

Roar Rookie


Karlo Think you are very wrong about the Wanderers, I think you are even more wrong to read what 'rbb' forum people write and think it means anything. You do the game a disservice with this article today. Wanderers were smashed by a very very good Victory, Honda is a class player and he is a class import, he needs to be lauded not buried in the type. I am not sure who a club can be too successful early on, we are 6 (complete) seasons old, we have won 1 Premier plate, been runners up in 3 Grand Finals and have been in the final series 1 other time. We have missed the finals twice. 50% of our existence we have made the grand final, 67% we make the finals. Sydney FC in comparison have made the Grand Final 30% of the time (3 wins 1 loss), and made the finals 69% of the time. This is the 3rd season we have been without a home, and you think this is some sort of failing enterprise? Sorry I question your thought process on this. The owners (who have only been in place for just over 4 years are building an $18 million training facility, and academy, last year we won the Y League and regularly make up large numbers of junior Socceroo squads. Don't be fooled into lazy writing or trying to stretch a narrative to fit an outcome. You have badly missed the mark on this one

2018-12-03T03:07:18+00:00

Post_hoc

Roar Rookie


Brainstrust (that is a misnomer if ever there was one) I have to question if you have watched a football match let alone watched a Wanderers match. To label Riera lazy, is the perfect illustration of someone who doesn't have a clue. I would suggest you find another sport to follow, you clearly don't have a clue about football.

2018-12-03T01:14:56+00:00

Nemesis

Guest


"I certainly wanted to write Victory off after the first two rounds" And, do you understand that is the big problem with a lot of analysis - particularly from writers on this forum. If you're writing a team off after 2 matches in a 27 match season, or if you're awarding the trophy to a team after 4 wins in a 27 match season, you must surely realise by now that it's utterly ridiculous & whatever good points you make are lost in the ridiculousness.

2018-12-02T22:45:15+00:00

Punter

Roar Rookie


If you a victory fan maybe.

2018-12-02T22:43:23+00:00

Redondo

Roar Rookie


Waz wondered how you could reduce a terrific game of football into a story exaggerating an argument between the coaches. And your response was to ignore his point and snidely target him instead. Just for the record, your six talking points reduced a weekend of really entertaining football to: Decline of WSW Brawling coaches Cot-case Mariners Ruinous VAR Forlornaroli City Honda excellent (how did that get past the Ed’s?) I make that a smashing 5-1 win to the Whining Wanderers over Balance United.

2018-12-02T22:31:32+00:00

Mister Football

Roar Guru


I thought the post you originally responded to was overwhelmingly positive.

2018-12-02T22:24:46+00:00

Punter

Roar Rookie


Yeah it was used before, I will try again. Positivity is a choice, there is enough negativity in life, I enjoy sport & don't get caught up with all the negativity in sport. You must be a ball of fun at a Lunch get together.

2018-12-02T22:24:18+00:00

Brainstrust

Roar Rookie


Wanderers major problem is Riera he is lazy and pretty average, the worst combination, missing Bonevacia weakened the Wanderers because of his defensive intensity and ball winning so they became easy beats. The coach looks intense but does nothing about lazy man Riera. Brisbane and Adelaide nothing suprising there the meeting of the two thug teams, and Adelaide won the tactical battle by hacking Bauthec. Aloisi not known for the effort his teams put in, is just lucky his players are switched on and really commited this season, crazy Kurz on the other hand he is the driving force behind his teams intensity. The send off was a joke, but arguing that if a player is in the area but the part of him that is not gets kicked the back leg, thats your original interpertation of the rules. The other bad decision was the awarding a penalty to Barbarouses when Elrich got his head to the ball. Clearly wrong and the Var failed to overrule it, though it had no impact on the match. Melbourne looked better without Troisi if you noticed , when Troisi used to be on the best with double figures in both assist and goals, you wonder what is going on with him. There are the rumours of the drinking culture at MV, and Archie revealed that he himself was part of that recently and it could have finished very tragically. Then you have guys like Burns and Nicholls also shadows of their former selves, and the impact of the off field activities sabotaging careers. Toivonen you can see why he is better linking up than finishing, Beanu looks better with the ball than defensively and MV looked fragile when he was dm. Antonis and Barbarouses why aren;t they getting a mention because they are amongst Melbournes best. Popovic is blowing the title on the back three, he already has Kilkenny who likes to command things from on deep, and the last thing they need is having an extra body back, especially those that are as immobile and slow as Kilkenny. Mulvey his major achievement so far has been using Bolt as a scapegoat to excuse all his failings. They were more competitive against Sydney because McCormack was not there and Hilarej was on the bench. Has Mulvery woken up to Hilarej or he got injured. I don;t know. As I said McCormack would be a major failure with CCMs squad the money spent on him could have been spent elsewhere. The greatest irony is the sight of McCormack versus Fornaroli and wondering what skin fold test they used on McCormack last season. City coach being hard on Fornaroli would be good if he read the riot act on some of the other, Brattan and Bergerac leave a lot to be desired in defensive workrate, City seem to be good at beating the easy teams, Jets with Vargas and now Kantarovski and looking like chumps against the tougher teams

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