Seven talking points from A-League Round 8

By perry cox / Roar Guru

The round of football kicked off with a bang in Brisbane on Friday night, and finished with a double whammy on Sunday night. As always, there are plenty of talking points from Round 8 of the A-League.

What kind of league does the A-League want to be?
How good was the first 45 minutes on Friday?

I will tell you how good it was: it made international online news, it was that good.

For the social media-elite, Sport Bible felt that the opening 45 minutes were so good, they wanted to share the highlights (that normally would have been spread across two matches, let alone one match) on their Facebook page.

The Sport Bible Facebook page has 11 million followers.

And while it is momentary coverage, it is great coverage nonetheless.

It all got me thinking: what kind of league does the A-League want to be? It seems like an obvious question, with an apparently obvious answer, but as is always the issue with football in Australia, the answer may well be different to every fan (i.e. every stakeholder) of the game in this country.

The A-League can’t claim to be the best in the world, it won’t be the biggest in the world, likely not even the biggest in its confederation.

Does the league want to be popular, does it want to be technically sound, does it want to be used as simply a vehicle for young talent to make their pathway into bigger overseas leagues?

Does the A-League want to be everything to everyone, or simply something to someone?

At this stage, the A-League appears to be a 27 round format of 10 (soon to be 12) licensed franchises, all of whom have differing identities and practicalities.

It was further brought to light that the league is lacking in its own true identity listening this week to the reasonings behind the awarding of licences for the next two A-League sides.

Words like “metrics,” and “markets,” and “coverage” were seemingly much more important than “history,” or “culture,” or even “community.”

At this stage, the A-League is a marketing business, and to a certain extent, the marketing aspect is damaging the business part.

Take the Newcastle Jets for instance – this season they set a new membership record. Now, granted, a season following a successful grand final run, you would hope for a boom in numbers, but that team success was no accident, with a CEO in Lawrie McKenna and an owner who care about the region.

The key to the current Jets’ success has been a connection with the community, with the people who care about the game then carrying over to people who aren’t really overly aware of the game.

The Wanderers were initially successful when the fans of the west felt like they had a team that was theirs.

Which brings me back to Friday night.

For all the focus on metrics and sustainability, nothing comes close to unrivalled coverage like an exciting game that simply cannot be ignored.

For 45 minutes, the A-League’s identity was being the most exciting game on the planet.

That’s coverage that money can’t buy.

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For what it’s worth
One quick point, or half a talking point, can we please get rid of the idea that just because there’s contact on an attacking player in the area, that it’s a penalty?

Football is a contact sport, players contact each other all the time.

When Milos Ninkovic went down on Saturday, and then Joel Chianese went down in Newcastle, while yes there was contact on each player, it is questionable (certainly in Ninkovic’s case) whether it was a foul.

Stop simply resting on the argument that if there’s contact in the area it’s a penalty – if that were the case, referees would have to blow free kicks every ten seconds.

Stop worrying about whether a defender made contact with his opponent, and start wondering whether there was actually a foul.

Goals shouldn’t be so easy to give away just because bodies brush up against one another.

Most enjoyable half of football I have seen
While I may appear to be doubling up on one talking point, given how exciting that first half in Brisbane was on Friday night, it really deserves to be mentioned twice.

Six goals, one send-off, penalties, sideline antics, a fiery exit, an amazing corner set-piece that resulted in a goal, I was exhausted by the end of the first half between Victory and the Roar.

Suffice to say, the second half failed to live up to the hype and expectation created by the first 45 minutes.

Keisuke Honda said after a standout 4-nil win over the Mariners that simply winning was not enough, he wanted to entertain – and a big deal was made of that statement given how well Melbourne had performed that night.

For 45 minutes on Friday, he and 21 other players did exactly that, if only for 45 minutes, but those 45 minutes were more than some teams produce over an entire season.

In a lot of ways, perhaps the luckiest man in Brisbane was Eric Bautheac. If the half hadn’t been as thrilling as it was, his ridiculous challenge and petulant exit would have had a bigger deal made of it.

Instead, everyone was talking about the amazing half of football and six goals.

If that’s what Honda meant by entertaining, then his pay check needs to double.

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A tale of two coaches
It really is the best of times and the worst of times at the moment.

Mark Rudan seems to be settling into this coaching gig pretty well, and importantly, has his team all singing from the same song sheet with two wins in a row and undefeated in their last three.

Wellington has held the ladder leaders to a draw (could very easily have been a win), they took apart the mighty Sydney FC in Sydney, and they did what needed to be done against the team on the bottom.

Wellington are a team on the rise, and their new coach is rightfully reaping the plaudits.

And at the other end is that team on the bottom, and a championship winning coach who is at his wits’ end.

Worst start to a season ever, and six losses in a row, things are already looking terminal for Central Coast.

To Mike Mulvey’s credit, he doesn’t seem phased as yet.

He is making all the right noises about following the process, taking it one game at a time, trying to make the systems work.

How long the board of the Mariners will listen to that is anybody’s guess.

But as far as first season coaches go, right now, the stories could not be anymore diametrically differing than those currently being told by Rudan and Mulvey.

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Ground control to Janjetovic
Vedran Janjetovic was so far out of his area when he made a leaping save with his hands off Adam le Fondre’s shot that he was almost stepping on Marcus Babbel’s sky blue socks.

What a waste.

Western Sydney, with their one win in 15 derbies, were on fire in the opening 25 minutes, outplaying Sydney and taking charge.

Oriel Riera, with his regulation derby goal, looked like he would finally score in a winning derby side.

Baumjohann, being rough-housed from pillar to post, still set up Riera for the opener, and looked ready to take charge.

Bruce Kamau and Jaushua Sotorio were carving up a slow looking Sydney defence, that defence then in strife with Alex Wilkinson already missing, and the losing Jop van der Linden to boot.

After 25 minutes, a red and black win was not just on the cards, they were already entering it into the history books in pencil.

And then Janjetovic went on an adventure the likes of which have only been seen in Middle Earth involving a fellowship.

What he was doing that far out of his area, and attempting to challenge Le Fondre, who was already covered by a Western Sydney defender, I’m not even convinced Janjetovic will know.

But when he decided to dive and save a shot (and let’s be honest, Le Fondre was that far out it was more of a cross to an offside Alex Brosque than a shot) from outside his area and guarantee his departure from the game, the derby flilpped on its head, and only one result was going to occur.

It was going to take something pretty extraordinary by a player to make them the focus after the lightning striking delay before the game, and for Vedran Janjetovic, it truly was his hold my beer moment.

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Tale of two keepers
While the coaches in Wellington were experiencing opposing ends of the spectrum, so too were the goalkeepers in Newcastle.

Within the first 20 seconds, Newcastle were putting passes together with a blistering Jair volley on target to open the scoring, only for Liam Reddy to pull off a point blank blinder of a save and keep the game scoreless.

Just to prove the worth of that save, Perth raced up the other end, earned a penalty from a Glen Moss foul, and open the scoring.

Liam Reddy then continued to save everything coming his way, and keep Perth’s defence rock solid.

As for Moss, his evening got even worse when he dropped a regulation looping header into his area, and Perth pounced and scored.

If the Jets had opened the scoring, perhaps Jair could have placed his bullet volley better, and Glen Moss didn’t have butter fingers, that’s a 1-all scoreline.

Instead, Perth take all three points, and jump to the top of the table, while Newcastle, who for the most part outplayed their travelling opponents, fell outside the eight.

You can’t say that a good goalkeeper isn’t valuable.

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What a cracking finish from Jordan Elsey
We had some quality own goals this weekend.

While Ola Toivonen was putting up his hand for own goal of the round, nay, season, Jordan Elsey had his own “hold my beer” moment with his sublime finish in the 26th minute against Melbourne City.

It’s always awkward when it comes to judging own goals. Defending is hard at the best of times, because you rarely get accolades for doing your job well, and you get largely lambasted for minor mistakes, while strikers can miss sitters and nobody blinks an eye.

But a quality own goal finish can’t go without passing.

Elsey’s finish was a combination of skill, placement, and a little power, so good was the finish that Paul Izzo could not move a millimetre.

And it was a shame for Adelaide in general, given that they have the one win at home this season, and were coming off a sapping loss in Victoria to another Melbourne the week before.

Eager to impress the home crowd and bounce back from their away disappointment, the last thing they needed was an Elsey cracker at the wrong end.

To add insult to injury, Elsey then gave away possession early in the second half for Melbourne City’s second.

Oh well, as my grandfather used to say, the ball is round.

The Crowd Says:

2018-12-17T07:25:59+00:00

Lionheart

Roar Rookie


Thanks Karlo. A lot of beef in Friday's game. I was at the stadium, disappointment but yes, some excitement. MV were the much better side, just some lovely footwork and movement of the ball at times, up there with Sydney at their peak. I've long admired Honda and lovely to watch him live (second time) but I was taken back at his use of arms and elbow in defence. He seems to be untouchable as the ref only fouled him once for the offence that he repeated several times, once led to a goal. He didn't improve crowd figures particularly, although there were a number (I'd guess at a hundred, no more) who wore his shirt, so I doubt FFA's investment is paying off (other than for MV). Maybe he's attracting TV viewers. The general feeling I'm sensing among Roar supporters is one of quiet disgust at how team discipline has broken down under Aloisi as coach. From perpetual fair play award winners to most fouls in one coaching cycle ain't a good look for Roar. And here's the thing, I'm not sure that the club even sees it.

2018-12-17T07:05:57+00:00

Lionheart

Roar Rookie


ok Waz, as explained to me by a few 'experts' on the bus trip home, the Roar defenders were expecting MV players to put the ball high, but they kept it on the ground and outsmarted everyone. The bench went wild, in front of me, so definitely straight from the training paddock. Nice to watch - boo hoo too!

2018-12-17T07:03:18+00:00

Lionheart

Roar Rookie


He put in the big effort working hard on his batting when was away, and came back a better batsman. But two things he ain't; a good surfer and a good 'tinnie' boat skipper, always having big trouble off Straddie.

2018-12-17T01:04:20+00:00

Fadida

Roar Rookie


Agree totally

2018-12-16T19:40:21+00:00

Richv

Roar Rookie


All you want from the refs is consistency of decision but that's not happening. Another example in the Adelaide game. Kitto gets a yellow for an unintentional elbow to the head of Jamieson, ok then, but on two occasions after this yellow card Melbourne city do exactly the same (one against Lia who need treatment to a cut to the face and one of which was in the penalty area), but no yellows on those occasions. Where is the consistency. Or is there some kind of unconscious bias by the refs due to external factors??

2018-12-16T12:44:09+00:00

Jordan Klingsporn

Roar Guru


Definitely the best Aussie opener. Not sure about world wide though.

2018-12-16T12:34:45+00:00

Brainstrust

Roar Rookie


I think Janjotevics hand that touched the ball was in the area, isn't that all that counts its where the ball is when its touched, and ot hot the only bit of Jjanjetovic that was in the area This Paul guy is special the third goal was directly off a corner, maybe there was no one on the posts and he thinks the guy on the goal keeper would be offside.

2018-12-16T12:05:56+00:00

Tim Carter

Roar Pro


Similar diatribe in the match blog. There is definitely bias in action, but it's your own.

2018-12-16T11:42:23+00:00

Paul

Guest


Poor officiating by match officials yet again. Gillett allowed Sydney players to push Wanderers players in the back with impunity yet would penalise wanderers players for the same offence. For Sydney's second goal, a goal kick should have been called immediately before that so a corner would not have resulted. For Sydney's third goal, the smurf was offside and should have been called as such. The first yellow card for thw tackle on O'Doherty should have been a straight red Two teams to beat. Those in light blue and the team in green and black shorts.

2018-12-16T11:36:52+00:00

Nemesis

Guest


What league do we want A-League to be? Well, I'm glad we understand we'll never be a big spending league that attracts the best talent, or even the next tier of talent. I want A-League to be the best league for getting Australian footballers to step straight from outstanding seasons in A-League into prominent clubs in Europe. So, I'd like us to be like the Leagues of: Netherlands, Switzerland, Belgium, Portugal, Austria, Denmark, Sweden, Croatia. These leagues lose their best players to the best clubs in the Big 5 leagues. The locals don't care, they watch their local talent develop. And their National Teams benefit from the best players graduating from the local domestic league to the bigger leagues.

2018-12-16T11:28:18+00:00

Kangas

Roar Rookie


Not in the top 10’best openers in world cricket imo .’Stuart Haydon was a flop against the mighty windies in his first season of tests ..,. Came back a few years later and beat up on the weakest bowling attacks with heavy bats and short boundaries Yours truly David Boon

2018-12-16T11:19:18+00:00

Waz

Roar Rookie


Mate, I picked up a bit of flak from my fellow Roar Supporters over the training cone jibe but look at that second victory goal - technically 4 defenders on to 1 attacker and yet the attacker is unmarked and scores. Watch the Adelaide/Roar game and it’s similar x2, and WSW, and ... Drives me nuts. But it is what it is now.

2018-12-16T10:54:34+00:00

Stuart Thomas

Expert


The witches hats are back Waz? Another tough tipping week in the A-League.

2018-12-16T10:53:01+00:00

Stuart Thomas

Expert


Great to have Matt Hayden on the Roar though. Best opener in test history in my opinion.

2018-12-16T10:52:03+00:00

Stuart Thomas

Expert


Think of the unfortunate blogger, attempting to put together his A-League team of the week with Liam Reddy all locked and loaded before Eugene goes nuts. Fastest guns in the west Tychsen and Thomas. A great day of football.

2018-12-16T10:50:20+00:00

Waz

Roar Rookie


Due to various Christmas functions I saw the Roar game live, missed the next three, and caught the Adelaide game on Fox. Hats off to Kayo for their catch up/highlights though - easy to catch up on what was missed What type of league do we want to be? Just the best it can be, cut the gimmicks and the cr*p and create space for football matches. It normally takes care of the rest.

AUTHOR

2018-12-16T10:38:15+00:00

perry cox

Roar Guru


It's a pretty common terminology Haydo and descriptor for the weekend's rounds across the world. I think you're going to have to learn to accept it.

2018-12-16T10:33:30+00:00

Haydos

Guest


Can people please stop saying Perth jump to the top of the ladder. They remain there where they've been for weeks.

AUTHOR

2018-12-16T10:32:20+00:00

perry cox

Roar Guru


I think the MLS is where the league should aspire as well. But is that enough? Does the league want to help us win a world cup? And thanks for the appreciation of expedience. It has its drawbacks. No sooner had I submitted, but Galekovic had a blinder, and I wanted to talk about him over Elsey. Ah well. Such is life.

2018-12-16T10:17:53+00:00

Jordan Klingsporn

Roar Guru


"What league do we want to be". I think we want to be similar to the MLS but we also want to be unique. I don't know how we can be as succesful as the MLS or how we can be unique, baby steps. And good on ya for getting this up so quickly... Again

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