“Yeah, but it was” …the laziest cricket argument going

By Brett McKay / Expert

If there’s a cricketing retort that grates me more than any other, it’s the one that has regularly been thrown up over the last fortnight as Australia marched to a convincing series win over Sri Lanka in Brisbane and Canberra, reclaiming the Warne-Muralitharan trophy along the way.

You know the one. You’ve almost certainly heard it; you may have even said it in written or spoken form.

Its very existence bemuses me, because it seems Australian sports fans couldn’t possibly recognise an achievement on face value; there always has to be a caveat, a qualifier, a ‘conditions apply’ asterisk attached that ensures there is some kind of doubt as to the validity of the achievement, or the conditions under which it was made.

My favourite in cricket terms forever remains Jason Gillespie’s unbeaten 201 back in 2006, which quite incredibly ended up being his final Test innings.

“Yeah, but it was against Bangladesh,” they said, and still say, probably, to this day.

Just so that we know what we’re downgrading here, this was a 425-ball innings as night-watchman that lasted more than nine-and-a-half hours spread across four days of play. It was an innings in which Gillespie’s second hundred came from 129 balls, and with only 48 of them coming in boundaries.

For a recognised batsman, it was an incredible knock of concentration and application, never mind a career number nine or ten like ‘Dizzy’ was. And it allowed Australia to ultimately set up an innings win in Chittagong, now known as Chattogram.

“Yeah, but it was against Bangladesh.”

That same retort has been flying thick and fast over this last week as multiple Australian players notched up milestones that have allowed the team to finish the local international season on a solid upward trajectory.

Pat Cummins’ ten-wicket match in Brisbane last week, followed by Joe Burns, Travis Head, Kurtis Patterson, and Usman Khawaja scoring the centuries in Canberra that had until this weekend eluded Australian batsmen, and Mitchell Starc’s ten wicket match that seems to have changed his body language and demeanour overnight.

“Yeah, but it was against Sri Lanka.”

“Yeah, but it was on a road.”

“Yeah, but it wasn’t against anyone who mattered.”

It’s all bunkum. It’s a lazy argument.

For starters, “yeah, but it was on a road” can’t be applied to the batsmen scoring centuries without giving even more credit to the bowlers for having success on a wicket that supposedly so easy to bat on.

Pat Cummins of Australia celebrates dismissing Dinesh Chandimal of Sri Lanka Image: CA/Cricket Australia/Getty Images)

If Patterson’s 114 not out needs to be dialled back to a solid, well-made 75* because of the pitch, then the dial needs to work the other way and crank Starc’s ten wickets for the match up to 13 or 14.

And that’s obviously nonsense, but any retort that starts with “yeah, but it was…” usually is.

The opposition and location are factors in judging performance, obviously. But they should never be the sole reason a performance is good or bad. A poor shot against weaker opposition is still a poor shot. A good strike rate on a green top is still a good strike rate.

So why do we do this, and try an convince ourselves that something we’ve just seen isn’t really as good as it looked live?

Why do we insist on applying overriding factors to drag down performance against supposedly weaker opposition, or on supposedly friendlier pitches, while simultaneously ignoring factors like the time an innings took, or the number of balls faced, or the lines and lengths bowled?

Joe Burns still had to face 260 balls and last 415 minutes to make his imperious 180 in the first innings at Manuka Oval, and that’s patience and concentration worthy of note. That means he saw the line and the length of the ball, moved his feet into the correct position, and played the right shot or left the ball alone to successfully avoid dismissal 259 times before he ultimately fell a day after he began.

(“Yeah, but he was dropped on 37.” Yeah, but that’s still not out.)

Burns faced 103 balls per innings against Sri Lanka this series when his Sheffield Shield average this season is 65 balls. Kurtis Patterson has averaged 95 balls per Shield innings this summer, but this became 137 balls in his first two Test matches in front of significantly bigger crowds, with way more media attention and analysis on every one of them, and with family in attendance joined by mates flying in from everywhere.

Joe Burns. (AAP Image/Tracey Nearmy)

Travis Head faced 79 balls per innings against India, but more than twice as many per innings against Sri Lanka. This is significant for a player earning criticism for throwing away starts.

Mitchell Starc was rightly being criticised for not just his output, but the horrendous lines and lengths he bowled in the first five Tests of the summer. Highlights of his lines and lengths in Canberra would be assumed to be from a different season if tacked onto the end of highlights from the rest of his summer.

The way he so quickly clicked back into bowling the fuller lengths in Canberra, and the regularity that be pushed the 150km/h mark was quite incredible. He literally looked like a different bowler over these last four days at Manuka Oval than he did for the rest of the summer.

But it’s certainly true that with the Ashes still six months away, and with plenty of Shield cricket to be played, along with ODI series, Australia A tours, and a World Cup campaign, that a lot of things can happen that can sway Tour of England selection.

Just as no-one has fully booked their place on the plane, no-one has fully played themselves out of the frame either.

Which means that for now, there’s nothing wrong with just enjoying these most recent performances for how the played out in front of us.

With no conditions applied.

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The Crowd Says:

2019-02-08T04:42:08+00:00

Insult_2_Injury

Roar Rookie


Well said Brett, it gets my goat too! The International schedule has no season as such, so one series rolls into another. Players come and go, legends retire and teams rebuild. I've never understood how it's the players 'fault' that they have a stellar performance against a particular opponent. Critics want to see the back of Finch who apparently failed against the World No 1 Test nation, but his replacement, Burns big ton was 'only against a rebuilding and struggling Sri Lanka'. It's ridiculous.

2019-02-06T07:28:22+00:00

Don Freo

Roar Rookie


Yes.He comes back to the field then...and Bill Voce was a left hand medium pacer. Only Larwood was quick. The other element is the fielding. Cliched argument about uncovered pitches and back foot no balls do not explain the absence of types like Gus Logie, Roger Harper, Clive Lloyd, Viv Richards et al diving about in the field denying singles, cutting off boundaries turning 4s, 3s and 2s into ones or nones.

2019-02-06T06:37:39+00:00

qwetzen

Roar Rookie


What a load of rubbish. Being a waste of time, I don't read anything by, or derived from, David Lord so I can only assume that these Oz fans braying that the team was "gutless, a rabble, a disgrace to the nation" when they lost were prolific in his threads. "joy-less" (sic) and "watching on in anger"?? Your ability to turn a phrase is a match to Nathan Lyon's ability to turn a leg-break.

2019-02-06T06:11:12+00:00

Raimond

Roar Guru


It may not matter, the Pom batsmen are useless.

2019-02-06T05:04:41+00:00

Matt H

Roar Guru


To be fair Ronan for some of us the joy was scraped off by a piece of yellow sandpaper. And it had been hard to be joyful about our team for a while, given their nasty style of play. It's been difficult for some to put those feelings aside, even though this is a fundamentally different team and the behaviour has been exemplary. It was also complicated by some head scratching selection decisions that were hard to come to terms with. I've been pretty excited actually, it was one of the more interesting summers for a long time.

2019-02-06T05:00:55+00:00

Matt H

Roar Guru


No Josh Hazlewood love at all? His test record is still pretty damn good and he's four years more experienced than last time around in England.

2019-02-06T04:31:49+00:00

Matt H

Roar Guru


I do agree that Richardson looks the real deal.

2019-02-06T03:42:18+00:00

Rellum

Roar Guru


If Gilbert was around today he would be a poster boy for CA. He undoubtedly suffered from the racism from the cricket establishment let alone all he suffered from society in general.

2019-02-06T03:24:23+00:00

Pope Paul VII

Roar Rookie


The exploration umps upheld their appeal on DRS. but yes hardly anyone remembers Stuart but he does have a nice long highway named after him. Poor old Stuey suffers a bit from 3rd man on the moon syndrome.

2019-02-06T02:57:53+00:00

Rowdy

Roar Rookie


They never saw the sea. The vast mangroves prevented that. I think any measure of success would mean that participants lived to tell the tale. —- But my main point survives. How many know about Stuart? As in the successful north/south expedition.

2019-02-06T02:39:33+00:00

Pope Paul VII

Roar Rookie


The Gilbert story is fascinating. Not too many enlightened types around at that time alas. His own captain wouldn't travel with him and he shunned by many teammates. There were claims some tried to run him out! (Dunno about that, Qlders are mad but madly competive). He was accused of chucking but given the amount of racism at the time and the number of games he went uncalled it's likely the later was a major influence. The aussies should have picked him in the bodyline series to see how the poms liked it. Interestingly all the bodyline wickets were dry and slowish. It was a dry summer but it would have certainly helped O'Reilly and Dainty Ironmonger and less so the English quicks. Alas for poor Eddie he struggled ever after his first class career.

AUTHOR

2019-02-06T02:21:17+00:00

Brett McKay

Expert


It's certainly been a curious summer, Ronan. I can't even recall the game being at such lows as it was at the start of the summer, and though there were some blips along the way, the India series didn't bring much joy. And then, when the joy does arrive against Sri Lanka, there's a massive rush to downplay everything. Your last par there sums things up beautifully...

AUTHOR

2019-02-06T02:17:12+00:00

Brett McKay

Expert


Again qwetzen, you're a bit off. That particular line you've quoted is around the marking down of centuries made because of the relative flatness of the wicket, which more often than not doesn't seem to be applied when bowlers do well. Hence if batsmen's runs need to be dialed down, then surely bowlers' wickets need to be dialed up. And again, at no point in all this have I said the opposition and relative quality be ignored. Only that the skill and effort involved in batting for as long as players did, and to get the wickets they did shouldn't be immediately dismissed as has been so common this series...

2019-02-06T02:15:48+00:00

Rellum

Roar Guru


That's right, Bradman was useless, there is no way he could compete with modern players let alone WA players. On a serious note, if you go back and read some of the comments, there seems to have been a sentiment that Bradman didn't like facing up against express bowling. Gilbert, Larwood and a few others. Bradman still averaged 56.57 for the bodyline series so I guess that made him weak against short express bowling in some eyes. Most players would be happy with 56.57 but everyone thought that was a win against him.

2019-02-06T02:15:14+00:00

Pope Paul VII

Roar Rookie


Burke and Wills succeeded at their task but not at staying alive.

2019-02-06T02:08:25+00:00

Pope Paul VII

Roar Rookie


Also you're a Marsh, so you should be playing test cricket not wasting your time on chess.

2019-02-06T02:05:34+00:00

Pope Paul VII

Roar Rookie


There are many flaws in the Bradman legend. However, apart from the odd prince and gentleman, the majority of english opponents were full time professionals.

2019-02-06T01:41:43+00:00

Ronan O'Connell

Expert


Nice article Brett. Unfortunately this has been a summer inundated by joy-less cricket fans. When Australia lose they’re gutless, a rabble, a disgrace to the nation. When they win, or a player excels, it is meaningless because they didn’t perform as well at a prior specified point. At what stage do these particular fans actually extract some pleasure out of the sport they’re following? It gives the impression they will only support their team or enjoy their performances when they are consistently excellent series in, series out. Which leaves a lot of time to watch on in anger.

2019-02-06T00:49:45+00:00

qwetzen

Roar Rookie


Ok, so the conditions may have put a spring in Richardson's jockstrap, but what impressed me at the Gabba was his consistency, variations of pace and accuracy. Favourable conditions won't give you a good pitch map. cf Starc in the same match.

2019-02-05T23:16:25+00:00

Matt P

Roar Rookie


It is, but unfortunately, tall poppy syndrome always finds a way.

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