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Best advice I ever heard; You learn nothing by talking. Your opinion only gets stronger when you consider another side of the topic. Anything less is just adding insult to injury.

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Who’d have thought that would pass as a worthy comment when people are trying to exchange ideas and learn more about their own views and grow from the exposure to a different view.

Australia and English cricket teams miss important symbolism of kneeling for BLM

Or leftwing trashmedia subby choosing it because Usman Khawaja is a known identity! Like every scrap of ‘news’ from a link to a known personality has been treated since the Argus was in publication!

Australia and English cricket teams miss important symbolism of kneeling for BLM

We are seeing Asians come through, but when more of those from traditional cricket countries choose formalised cricket paths more of them will be on the radar. Australia’s attraction of larger numbers of Asian people from non traditional cricket countries means they need to get to know the game. Aboriginals historically gravitate to the football codes and that doesn’t look like changing. As for looking at comments on Khawaja, that is individual opinions and any agreement on them is consensus, not fact. It may be true that he is perceived as lazy, but as Langer identified early on, he needed to improve his fitness to improve his concentration powers. I agree with you his easy nature and flowing technique is somewhat reminiscent of Mark Waugh and he copped the lazy tag too. He hasn’t seemed to be treated any differently than Shaun Marsh though in the selection stakes.

Australia and English cricket teams miss important symbolism of kneeling for BLM

I’m a massive Khawaja fan, always have been, but can’t see where he’s been treated differently on racial grounds. Marsh in/out/in/out. Open, 3,4,5, dropped repeatedly. Wade, Head all been in/out/in/out. Burns in/out/in/out. I’m not seeing the racial reasoning, but happy to be enlightened if you have more than a feeling that’s happening.

Australia and English cricket teams miss important symbolism of kneeling for BLM

Name calling, that’s productive.

Australia and English cricket teams miss important symbolism of kneeling for BLM

I’m confused, do you want those players you mentioned chosen because of the colour of their skin, or that to be ignored and be picked on their cricket ability?

Australia and English cricket teams miss important symbolism of kneeling for BLM

Then why do you want sportsmen to take a knee? That clause, done on behalf of all Australians, represents the view of all Australians, doesn’t it? That says Australians recognise black lives matter. What do you want to happen to the one or more players who say, no thanks, the Australian constitution said it fine for me and my actions towards my fellow players all over the world in 20/20 teams shows I mean it, I don’t need to signal it for the benefit of the media. I want to come out here and play sport, not make a political statement.

Australia and English cricket teams miss important symbolism of kneeling for BLM

That’s pathetic, if you’ve got a point, make it.

Australia and English cricket teams miss important symbolism of kneeling for BLM

Happy to hear that term whenever you want.

Cricket desperately needs its characters

Spot on DB. Not just social media though, host broadcaster now playing up the tourists barbs in stump mics, has them vilified and convicted before they get to drinks as well. How many shots taken on field back in the day made thousands for both parties on the speaking circuit a decade later. The story changed the animosity dissipated and the players were the only ones who knew exactly what happened or was said. But that was fine, because they were over it and mates having a laugh about it, their prerogative. Now it’s a cultural incident and brought up as a warning to others that there is no room for tolerance in the tolerance movement.

Cricket desperately needs its characters

It’s been media trained out of them, hasn’t it Paul? Contractual robots.

Cricket desperately needs its characters

Neither of them are a 5, but this is a meaningless series 3 years from a WC, worth seeing if Marsh has developed, as Maxwells failures in the top 5 are well documented.

WATCH: Maxwell and Carey magic stuns England as Australia win ODI series

He’s batting at 7 because at 3,4,5,6 since the 2015 WC he’s faced about 12-15 balls per innings, regardless of the situation of the game. Congratulations to him, he played an innings instead of a cameo, but isn’t any better than 7. Carey has situational awareness, Maxwell is a cameo.

WATCH: Maxwell and Carey magic stuns England as Australia win ODI series

That’s the middle order you want! Carey looks better in front of Maxwell. To Maxwells credit he played an innings, not a cameo. Cross your fingers for that to be the template. Congratulations to Carey, Maxwell and Starc for getting the Aussies over the line.

WATCH: Maxwell and Carey magic stuns England as Australia win ODI series

I agree, except ironically, your comparison is now wrong. MLB recently agreed to 7 innings double headers, as I recently watched between the Yankees and Blue Jays. The players union agreed to the change in July. Sadly admins in every sport believe if they don’t keep changing the sport, spectators will find something else. Their ‘business models’ count fans as the breakeven and to increase revenue every year they try to appeal to spectators, most of which have no emotional investment. Therefore the games we love become hybrids or unrecognisable as adhd administrators chase fickle spectators for approved merchandise dollars.

How Cricket Australia killed my interest in the professional game

This article is why I love this site. Many years ago I described T20 cricket as popcorn cricket without the salt and butter. You can have it constantly, but without the flavour to be memorable. It’s designed for spectators not fans, albeit with the aim of turning spectators – juniors especially – into fans. It certainly hasn’t secured a committed base of adult fans as yet. I remember earlier this year when the Australian team was in India during the height of the Aussie summer, traditionally ODI season at Aussie venues, the ‘drawcard’ was a BBL final at the “G” between Sydney Thunder & Melbourne Stars. Fifty years ago at that time of year and venue Vic v NSW Shield were attracting 60,000+ fans. The new age version, in a final drew 13,000, after a ridiculously long tournament.

How Cricket Australia killed my interest in the professional game

Another great read ADRAD. I agree with the idea the age comp has set back young players from representation at the highest level now. I believe the apprenticeship system in English County is the reason for a dearth of players in England at a young age, yet overrepresented in older age.

Baggy Green prodigies: If you’re good enough, then you’re old enough

Agree. There are points on every game now, I can only imagine for WC qualifying, but Australia should never miss a world cup. Therefore they have to try different combinations, different bowlers in different scenarios to develop plans and players for the real games – the World Cup. Everything else is just trials, regardless of the ‘fake’ importance placed by boards and broadcasters. If you were aware that was what’s happening at the moment you’d have a completely different appraisal.

Australia collapse, England win second ODI

Night cricket at this time of year in England is a new condition to navigate, but they certainly should have chased it down from the position they were in. Two sides out there and the bowlers put the ball in the right spot, which the Aussies didn’t in the last 1\2 dozen or so when they had the ball.

Australia collapse, England win second ODI

Cummins is struggling. Maybe too long a layoff.He’s changing up every ball, which isn’t necessary in ODI’s even at the death. You have a batsman – especially a tailender – sweating on their favourite shot, which they often get out to, but if you change every ball they can have a day out just by swinging, which Rashid did against Cummins. Lack of form gets in a bowlers head too and they try everything in the arsenal looking for a hail mary. He needs a chat with Hazlewood, consistent stock ball plans make the wicket balls more dangerous. Every tailender fears a quality bowlers stock ball, allsorts lets them off the hook.

Australia collapse, England win second ODI

I believe Head could be that player.

Australia collapse, England win second ODI

Sadly Ian (Chappell?), T20 is the coffer filler which will push Tests thru the negative patch.

Are Australia on track for the 2021 T20 World Cup?

a) Carey hasn’t forgotten how to play the cricket he displayed in his first few games and will be the finisher next year as he has the mental side of the game to assess situations and that will only be honed by consistent game time.
b) Maxwell deserves no latitude for his lack of game awareness, just because he played a couple of good games 4 years ago. Even in that period he was never a finisher, as he leaves late overs for the tail to navigate. If you check his series he invariably starts like a house on fire as he’s focussed, then tries to invent shots getting out cheaply and placing pressure on the lower order, to finish any series with an average of about a dozen or so balls faced. Apologists always say he’s dynamic and that’s what you get! Australia doesn’t need 30 off 12 when 3 or 4 for 40 chasing 200. They need a mature head to guide the innings. His innings in the recent ODI is the innings Australia needs consistently for him to be considered a finisher, with more often than not red ink next to his name. He’s never been capable of that and now’s the time to move on while there are games for Carey to develop and a real bowling option to fill his spot.

Are Australia on track for the 2021 T20 World Cup?

Much better bowling action. If he can continue to replicate the action and results he’s a valuable asset which provides a genuine bowling option who can hold a bat, pushes Carey up a spot which improves his game time and value with the bat and gets rid of the inconsistency of Maxwell as a slogger bowling a couple of gap overs which the stats show has failed. T20 has shown also thru stats that the format hasn’t been the death of spinners and in certain conditions they thrive. Australia has also historically shown that to maintain a high standing in international cricket they innovate, so 3 spinners in certain situations; all with different attributes like Green, Zampa and Agar is an experiment worth exploring.

Chris Green could hold the key to Australia's first T20 World Cup

They say spinners get better with age, but I don’t think Warne would have to bowl too many balls of the century to cover the Poms reflexes at their ages. Anderson would be a hand full though.

Ashes Masters: If you’re good enough, you’re still young enough