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He’s absolutely top 6 in the country purely in terms of talent, but his output over the past couple of years really does not reflect that. Needs to do much more if he wants to get back in. I genuinely don’t remember the last time he scored a Shield ton.
Also, what’s going on with those spin comments? One great match doesn’t override all the mediocrity that proceeded it. He may have improved but it’s a stretch and a half to suggest you’re among the best in the country. He’s not even the best player of spin in the QLD top order.
Usman Khawaja shocked by CA cash-flow crisis
Yep. Love Ussie but he was awful for us in the Shield when he had the perfect opportunity to score bulk runs and prove he deserved to be picked. Not doing any favours for himself here.
Unless he thinks that he’s no chance of getting back in regardless and feels there’s no reason to hold back – which would be pretty disappointing from both a QLD and Australia perspective.
Usman Khawaja shocked by CA cash-flow crisis
Why should anyone be under the pump when we’re winning by as much as we are?
Why should Burns be under the pump already? Obviously he could have performed better, but he was 3 runs shy of a comeback ton, and he top scored for us in the 2nd dig in Perth (not to mention he was the only one of the top 6 who didn’t throw his wicket away).
Even of his dismissals, one wasn’t actually out and one would’ve gotten most players out first up. Even if he’d played it ‘perfectly’ it still would have been out – just lbw instead of bowled. Bit premature to say he isn’t up to it.
Australia steal New Zealand's No. 2 Test ranking
Think the comments about NZ’s bowling are right on the mark here. I’m really curious as to how they’ll adjust to the less bowler-friendly conditions. At least with Starc and Cummins we have bowlers who can strike regardless of unhelpful pitch conditions. Who do NZ turn to?
The other point I’m interested in whether Wagner will be as successful going forward. To me it seemed that there was extra and often inconsistent bounce in Perth, and that was what undid the Aussie batsmen – they’re all normally good players of the short ball. Are bodyline-esque tactics going to work when the batsmen can trust the bounce and the Kiwis have to bang it in even shorter?
As for the spinner, is Somerville not in consideration? He’s got experience here from playing Shield, at the very least.
Bowling is New Zealand's biggest concern
Not saying that NZ didn’t bowl well at times, but there’s an awful lot of praise considering we essentially won by an innings.
Besides the fact that the short ball plan came 400 runs too late, I’m not convinced it’ll be as effective on a pitch with truer bounce. Where do the Kiwis get their wickets if it doesn’t work?
Australian bowling trio runs through New Zealand for emphatic first-Test win
Yeah but he made one mistake and isn’t omnipotent with drs, dump him immediately smh.
Australian bowling trio runs through New Zealand for emphatic first-Test win
Those are my thoughts on Wagner as well. None of our top order are bad against short balls, there was obviously something going on with the bounce off the pitch. Some of those dismissals were shots you’d expect to go flying over the rope.
If the MCG and SCG are as roady as expected, I don’t see that plan working as effectively as it did here, disregarding that it came 400 runs too late.
Australian bowling trio runs through New Zealand for emphatic first-Test win
It’s only off-topic because there’s little opportunity to properly discuss domestic cricket on this site without having it linked to national selection or whatever.
That is a ripper lineup. Holland letting the bowling down at the moment though.
Australia vs Pakistan: Second Test preview, prediction
It’s the enigmatic ‘concerns’ group I reckon.
What Australia needs to do to claim the second Test over Pakistan
A player having a successful career is a travesty?
What Australia needs to do to claim the second Test over Pakistan
And QLD’s best so far this domestic summer.
Someone hasn’t watched too much cricket this year it seems.
Burns must finally be respected by Test selectors
You mean like Bancroft’s debut in the home Ashes – a series where Australia was so dominant that 7 of our players averaged 40+ with the bat, and 4 of them over 60? That kind of ‘middle of the road’ opposition? Bancroft’s 25 average was really convincing, huh?
Burns must finally be respected by Test selectors
Then what are you arguing? You can’t argue the suspension without contesting the nature and acceptability of Pattinson’s remark.
I don’t have the facts to 100% irrefutably state what Pattinson said. That’s why I said ‘allegedly.’ It’s the literal definition of the word.
Pattinson suspended from first Test following 'serious slur'
Do you have any sort of proof to justify your labeling of Burns as ‘a dud’ and ‘not test standard?’ Or do you not need to prove it, just because you said so?
Burns averages 40 in tests, and has scored 4 tons – a rate of one 100 every 4 matches, which is comparable with any great test batsman. Also, his 40.7 average as a Test opener is the 19th highest *of all time* among Australian test openers (minimum 20 innings). In fact, only 20 Australian test openers averaged 40+ in that position, only 12 of them averaged 45+, and just 6 averaged 50+.
No-one has suggested he’s some all-time great, or that he’ll be a 50+ average test cricketer, but your assertions of ‘long lists of failures,’ ‘low averages,’ ‘poor outside Australia,’ etc, are demonstrably incorrect. So I’ll ask again: what is the reasoning behind your denigration of Burns’ ability and record?
Burns is running out of time to cement a Test spot
Yes, it’s quite awful how we’re nicer to each other, and it’s no longer acceptable to denigrate people for things outside of their control, isn’t it?
Remarks such as what Pattinson allegedly uttered aren’t acceptable in any proper social circumstance, why should sport be different?
Pattinson suspended from first Test following 'serious slur'
That may well be the move for him, but I wouldn’t make that suggestion too hastily – his FC record is still superior to Harris’. If current form persists though, it might be a decent call.
I can see that becoming a fairly common option – even if you’re declining as an opener, batting down the order is still a much easier job.
Burns, Head and Neser deserved their Test call ups
Yep. Though Ussie did have that dead rubber ton and Paine had a couple of n.o.’s. Cummins even averaged 41 (but same deal as Paine).
Burns, Head and Neser deserved their Test call ups
That’s fair, but the thing that stood out about Bancroft for me was that he only managed to average 25 in the home Ashes series. For comparison, Khawaja averaged 47, Paine averaged 48, and Cummins only scored 13 less runs. If Burns hadn’t got injured during the BBL it may well have been him on the SA tour instead of Banners.
I’m sounding a bit like a broken record here but while Burns may have had easier opponents, when he scored his ton v the Windies Warner only managed 23. The innings he scored 170 vs NZ Warner made 12 and Khawaja 24. We were 3-28 against SL at Manuka. He may have had more favourable conditions but it’s not like he’s only made ‘easy’ runs.
Burns, Head and Neser deserved their Test call ups
Fair enough, I probably haven’t paid enough attention to his career properly; that double ton season just sticks in my mind for whatever reason. I’ll defer to your judgment on him.
Regardless, I still see a lot of the sudden hype here around him as flavour of the month. No-one apart from yourself is actually talking about any sort of sustained form – it’s all just on the back of one match, and let’s be honest, that pitch was a lot tamer than Tassie’s other matches.
I see Smarsh as still having a lot of value for WA there, and if this season is any indicator, he’s still got at least a couple more years in him. All the teams seem to be very young now compared to the past few years though – whether that’s been the natural progression or the result of Chappell’s influence I’m not entirely sure.
Burns, Head and Neser deserved their Test call ups
It could be.
Thing is, it’s easier to bat down the order than it is to open, and you can get away with more technical deficiencies when the ball’s not doing as much. Even the 2nd new ball is easier since you’re generally set, rather than having to face it first up.
I’d wait and see if he can recover some form, but any half-decent opener is going to look good in the middle order, unless they’re a genuine old-school, stone-wall type player.
Burns, Head and Neser deserved their Test call ups
I can acknowledge he’s playing well, and still call out his advocacy as a flavour of the month, ‘he made one score let’s put him in!’ hype. His record clearly shows he’s not good enough for test cricket.
Yes, he was unlucky to only get 4 away tests, but he averaged 24. That’s exactly what Harris and Bancroft average and no-one’s defending their test records.
Burns, Head and Neser deserved their Test call ups
Poor record? Yeah, that 40 test average that Burns has is really awful, isn’t it? Just in case you’re not aware, that’s higher than the FC averages of all those blokes you advocated for. I also love how you think that 5 tests in three years is ‘lots of chances.’
‘Yeah why not give Weatherald a crack!’
Yeah look I think I’ve read all I need to here.
Burns, Head and Neser deserved their Test call ups
While I wouldn’t quite go that far with Doolan either, and the Tassie guys deserve props for having to battle a tough wicket, he is a bit of a flash in the pan.
The problem with Doolan is that he’s very much one of those ‘all or nothing’ guys. He did average the same as Burns last season – and Joe couldn’t buy a run in the entire back half. If you go back to the season before, Doolan averaged 32 – despite scoring an unbeaten double ton!
What I was surprised while looking at Doolan’s performances is how few of the older guys like him there seems to be – the older hands who aren’t good enough for the national side, but can easily push for a Shield title or two. Apart from him, Ferguson, Cooper, and maybe gorgeous George, I can’t really think of too many…
Burns, Head and Neser deserved their Test call ups
Yes, because picking purely on recent form worked so well for us last summer, didn’t it?
It’s as flavour of the month as you can get. Doolan’s a good, solid FC batsman but he’s nowhere near test level, and he was found out when he was given a chance.
I presume Weatherald’s in contention too based off that game?
Burns, Head and Neser deserved their Test call ups
Can’t remember the last time I felt this good about a Broncos performance…
I really hope the players actually take the lessons from last night to heart. No more slacking off, that’s the level of effort we need to see from them every single week here on out. Jury has to still be about on some of these guys, but happy enough to see them persisted with if they do continue to put in that effort.
Penrith spent most of that game looking like they spent more time thinking up that try celebration than preparing for an actual game of footy. Would have been pretty embarrassing for them if they’d lost. You wouldn’t think they’d need another wake-up call but surely this has to serve as one.
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