Six talking points from NRL Round 16

By Scott Pryde / Expert

The last of the bye rounds have come and gone, and the NRL is just about ready to commence the run to the finals, but first, let’s look back at the weekend that was with my latest talking points.

Just quickly – we are going referee-bashing free this week. Some ordinary calls were made, but let’s chat footy from this point on.

The Roosters needed Luke Keary back
Let’s get one thing really clear before we go any further here – The Roosters weren’t at their best against the Tigers on Friday evening.

But then again, in a game which is played in challenging conditions without Origin players, is any team ever going to be at their best?

The answer of course, is no, but the tri-colours had plenty of positive signs to take from the contest against the men in black and gold.

Before he went down with another severe concussion against Newcastle the week before Origin 1, he was undeniably the form player of the competition.

It wasn’t any single particular element of his play either, but rather, Keary just seemed to have it all going for him.

From his running, passing, kicking and play off Cooper Cronk, to the way he interacted with the forwards, everything was flowing for Keary who appeared to have a sky blue jumper locked up for the first game of the series.

History will show that didn’t happen, but he was straight back into it on Friday, and it was impressive to see his level of confidence in running the ball, taking the line on and putting himself in potentially dangerous situations given the nature of the injury he had.

He will only get better with every week back on the field, but with Keay at, or anywhere near his best, the Roosters just look a better side, and it’s the confidence of what he was able to produce steering the ship around in the 2018 NRL grand final which has sparked his form in 2019.

If he keeps it going and the forwards hold their own, then there is no reason to expect Keary won’t be playing in the biggest match of the season once again.

And while the return of the man who was robbed of an Origin jersey by concussion dominated the headlines out of Friday night’s topsy-turvy sort of contest, Latrell Mitchell also proved a thing or two about why he will be back in an Origin jumper sooner rather than later.

It was a really strong performance from the youngster – his best in weeks – and to be able to move on from the stuff that has impacted him over the past couple of weeks is really promising fo the gun centre.

Cameron Smith is still the best
Next week, the inspirational Melbourne leader will become the first man to play 400 NRL games when he runs out against arch-enemy the Cronulla Sharks.

The milestone is an absolutely staggering one, but it’s even more so when you consider he is still the best hooker, best captain and probably most influential figure in the competition at the ripe old age of 36.

In terms of longevity, there is no equal in his generation or maybe ever, although I’m sure rugby league historians would have a thing or two to say about that statement, and in terms of being able to read and control games, he has been the best for some years, and that doesn’t look likely to slow down.

The bottom line is that Smith has a feel for the game like few others ever have, and no matter your opinion on the way he is able to talk his way through a game with the referees, it’s worked for him and the Storm for years.

What’s even more impressive is the way he is still playing big minutes for the men from Melbourne, never lets up in defence and has found a way to still have the energy to work with a new, young version of the Melbourne spine, continuing to orchestrate the attack in spite of not having players like Billy Slater and Cooper Cronk playing alongside him.

You could almost say he has taken his game to another level in the past year or two, doing more kicking out of dummy half than ever, but also sharing the role with Brandon Smith and at times, playing like a third half.

We will never see another player like Cameron Smith in our lifetime, and when he runs out in game 400 next week, it’s a milestone which should be celebrated, even begrudgingly, by the entire NRL community.

(Photo by Michael Dodge/Getty Images)

Understrength Newcastle’s fight is a tick for Nathan Brown
If you had of taken the Knights 12 months ago, removing their three best players from the side, just about any club in the competition would have rolled them up, thrown them down the hill and run away with a huge victory.

But not this Knights, and it’s a really big tick in the right direction for Nathan Brown, who has got his side, and the wider squad, seemingly starting to believe they are on the verge of something special in the Hunter.

Ignoring for a moment the fact they did lose to the New Zealand Warriors by four points, if you sit there and take Kalyn Ponga, David Klemmer and Mitchell Pearce out of any NRL side, then they are going to struggle.

But the Knights attitude throughout the game, their tenacity to defend the goal line and attempt to put points on the board, playing an attacking brand of rugby league, demonstrates a couple of things.

Firstly, it’s that this is now Nathan Brown’s footy side and squad. He has had them humming this year, but to only go down by four with so many players out, and for replacements like Connor Watson and Mason Lino to stand up, that’s a positive.

Secondly, the Knights have depth. They have players who can come in and do the job for injuries, and the chance of having all three of those stars out again this year appears slim on the surface, so that’s another positive.

Thirdly, the Knights are playing with confidence. It’s something they haven’t done for years, but after a strong streak of victories in recent weeks, they are now looking like a side who know how to win.

It’s a bit of a cliche, sure, but it’s important. The difference between a side who know how to win and one who have forgotten how to win is immense, and it was on show for all to see on Saturday, even if they didn’t come away with the chocolates.

Can the Dragons take anything from their defensive showing?
In a word, yes.

The Dragons may not have come away with the victory over Melbourne at home in fairly horrid conditions on Thursday night (which, by the way, why on Earth do we need to have Thursday night games during Origin – they are a blight on the competition, TV ratings or not), but the Red V did man up in defence.

Missing what was virtually a full-strength forward pack with no Tyson Frizell, Tariq Sims, James Graham and Paul Vaughan to a mix of Origin, injury and suspension, as well as Ben Hunt and Corey Norman in the halves, the Dragons had a bleak outlook coming into the game.

But they held very strong during the first half. Things may have got away from them a little in the second half as the game evened up, but for the Storm to have 55 per cent possession during the first half an all the territory, but only coming away with a single try, it was a stunning effort from the Dragons.

There was a stat floating around that with the amount of chances the Storm had in the Dragons red zone, they normally would have scored three tries.

Now, that has to be taken with a grain of salt given Cameron Munster was out, but they still had a large chunk of their forward pack, as well as three-quarters of their first choice spine, so yes, the Dragons can absolutely take something out of it.

While the players are going to change between now and when the Dragons next take the field, the big thing to note is that the side need to look at it as an attitude reversal, and an acknowledgement that with season on the line in the coming weeks, they can play for the entire 80 minutes and hang with the best teams in the competition.

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Jayden Brailey would be an excellent signing for Newcastle, but have Cronulla locked up the right brother?
Note: This hasn’t actually been confirmed yet, but it’s widely reported that it will, and makes a lot of sense, frankly.

Now, onto the actual analysis of the situation for both Cronulla and the Knights.

For the Knights, this is an absolute score if it comes off. Jayden Brailey has proven himself to be one of the best young hookers in the game, and while he is now 23 – so getting on just a little bit – he is really developing into a strong role, and as a coach, you know what can be expected out of him every week.

What’s more, he has proven previously he has the ability to play 80 minutes at high quality, providing good service to his forwards (which, as we have seen in Origin, is absolutely critical to a team performing well), and not getting lazy in defence.

What the Sharks did have was a major dillema though, given they signed Jayden’s brother Blayke to a new three-year contract earlier in the season.

It’s an interesting call from the Cronulla management, given Blayke is not nearly as proven at first-grade level as Jayden, but there simply isn’t room for both of them at the same club.

What Blayke has proven this year is that he is up to first-grade standard. There is not one single doubt about that.

What he hasn’t proven (yet), is that he has the ability to play big minutes and do it consistently, which is a must-have in the current NRL climate where defence and big minutes from hookers with reduced interchanges is oh so important.

I have little doubt Blayke will stand up and produce when called upon next year should Jayden’s move to the Knights go through, but with the untenable position at Cronulla of having two hookers who both deserve to be playing big minutes in the NRL, one had to move on for the good of both of their careers, and on the surface, with the evidence presented to this point, it looks like Newcastle may well get the better end of the bargain.

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Xavier Coates – mark the name
I first saw Xavier Coates play about six weeks ago when he ran out for the Queensland under 18 side against the Blues. On that occasion, he won man of the match from the wing.

Of course, the kid has had wraps on him before that performance, and having heard those wraps, it was exciting to watch him play.

Now, just a month removed from that, he had an excellent performance for Papua New Guinea in this year’s Pacific Tests, and while there were some hiccups, had a better than average NRL debut on Sunday afternoon against the Sharks.

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For such a young player, he handles himself on the park effectively, and the try he scored was also a good one.

In short, it’s rare such a young player is able to make their NRL debut with so little experience in the lower grades and look like they just about belong.

Some of his runs made him look like he is going to have a long and prosperous career, and while it’s far too early to go about making any such assumption or call at this stage, he certainly deserves more chances at first grade over the next 12 months to really prove his worth in the outside backs.

The only real criticism you could have is that maybe he didn’t go looking for enough work, but he was solid, did a job and has a lot of learning to do and experience to gain before a real judgement can be passed.

Roarers, what did you make of Round 16? Drop a comment below and let us know.

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The Crowd Says:

2019-07-08T11:06:52+00:00

elvis

Roar Rookie


Was it a knock on? Coates touches it with outstretched arms, and pulls it towards him, it hits Morris's hands. The ball was going backwards from Coates to Morris. They seemed to just look at whether both players got a touch, not which way the ball moved...

2019-07-08T09:03:48+00:00

Papi Smurf

Roar Rookie


I'm not sure where else this news item would be more relevant but I missed the announcement confirming the transfer of Jaydn Su'A to the Rabbitohs ahead of the June 30 deadline. Su'A hasn't played in the Telstra Premiership since round 14 but was strong in Canterbury Cup in round 16 in his first run in cardinal and myrtle, scoring a try in a 30-18 win over Mounties. Souths veteran John Sutton said he had never met Su'A until they were introduced at Monday's training session but was already impressed with his attitude. https://www.nrl.com/news/2019/07/08/sam-burgess-silver-lining-to-georges-lengthy-ban/

2019-07-08T08:45:48+00:00

Papi Smurf

Roar Rookie


Calculators have memory, toasters do not. We keep going over this toaster but you keep forgetting. LOL

2019-07-08T08:27:15+00:00

Papi Smurf

Roar Rookie


You had me with your first sentence Harry, right up to "being back in the NRL". I don't disagree with the rest but that was especially noteworthy. And I didn't take the NRL hostage even though I say "the game's gone soft" and see nothing wrong with the Kane Evans shoulder charge on Sam Kasiano or the epic gladiatorial contests between Mark "spud" Carroll and Paul "the chief" Harragon. The fact that both Kasiano and JWH run the ball at speed and then raised their forearms to the head and throats of their opponents at the last second is no less dangerous and also should be targeted by referees. I think in theory everyone here agrees with you Harry but in practice they don't want it to be their side that falls victim to the first send-off for these unnecessary incidents of foul play. But where do you draw the line? George Burgess's clumsy attempt at amateur brain surgery on Robbie Farah is a certain candidate. But what about more subtle yet equally dangerous pieces of foul play when players are taught to fall across the legs of players when making takles to incapacitate them. This often leads to serious knee and ankle injuries that see players taken off and are then out of the game for weeks and months at a time. Then there are other intentional acts to injure players like the Roosters 3 man effort to intentionally dislocate Craig Wing's shoulder, or Sam Thaiday grabbing James Tamou's strapped broken thumb and twisting and pulling at it instead of making ANY attempt at a legitimate tackle. Also there is the example of James Graham "headbutt-fest" in the 2014 GF when he made 5 different headbutts on 3 different players, all intentional and with malice resulting in a fractured eye socket for Sam Burgess and a serious heavy concussion for Dave Tyrrell. All of the above are no less worthy of a send off than Kyle Flanagan's kneeing of Matt Lodge. And don't even start me on the decades of similar offences to this by QLD against NSW in Origin which only ended when Paul Gallen did something you would say was also worthy of a send off after he knocked serial offender Nate Myles on his ass. Anyway, good talk Harry. Give my best to Meghan. ;-)

2019-07-08T06:46:36+00:00

BA Sports

Roar Guru


Infact from Rd 17 on the Raiders won the same number of games as Souths… including a win over Souths if my memory serves me correctly...

2019-07-08T05:02:40+00:00

Harry

Guest


Look if anybody's going to be kneed in the head then it couldn't happen to a more deserving bloke than Matt Lodge who I don't think has any business being back in the NRL, but the point is how on earth is a deliberate knee to the head not an automatic send off and how did the NRL get to the point where a punch is an automatic ten minutes (which I'm okay with) but if you knee someone in the head you get to stay on the field? It's absolutely mind-boggling. Lodge probably should have walked as well, at least for ten minutes, but the NRL has somehow allowed itself to get to the point where foul play isn't punished except for the weirdly specific example of a closed fist. Kicks, trips, swinging arms, rubbing your hand in a player's face, flopping with your shoulder onto a player on the ground if they're not held, shoving a player to the ground after they've scored a try... it's all fair game and if a player's unlucky they might get put on report, but they're never ever sent from the field. The NRL's made itself hostage to old men who moan about how the game's not "tough enough any more". I love a good hard tackle or a barnstorming run over the top of a defender, rugby league's plenty tough enough for me without any of the foul play rubbish that the NRL gives a free pass to game after game.

2019-07-08T04:18:45+00:00

BA Sports

Roar Guru


Look at the positive side - it means the other 22 guys are doing well.... :)

2019-07-08T03:32:00+00:00

Papi Smurf

Roar Rookie


Then send Latrell Mitchell to Souths and we'll take our chances. ;-)

2019-07-08T03:30:33+00:00

Papi Smurf

Roar Rookie


As was the kick in the legs and the raised knee by "the animal" Matt Lodge on Flannagan in retaliation. Was THAT put on report or is your outrage tempered by parochial tribalism?

2019-07-08T03:26:39+00:00

Papi Smurf

Roar Rookie


Whereas your Raiders' season had already ended by then. Funny how history repeats isn't it Milton?

2019-07-08T03:03:13+00:00

Renegade

Roar Guru


Stop it BA... lol those stats are sad and infuriating at the same time.

2019-07-08T02:58:50+00:00

Renegade

Roar Guru


I’m with ya Albo... kick a few goals and be sitting in 2nd but it’s just disappointing the way they are playing... the defence has been very un-Cronulla like... they aren’t mentally there but they need to be this week... i’d say if they don’t turn it around against the storm, season is over.

2019-07-08T02:17:40+00:00

BA Sports

Roar Guru


Will be interesting. Wasn't it about Rd 17 last year where your season started to come to an abrupt end...

2019-07-08T01:55:31+00:00

Albo

Roar Rookie


Makes for sad reading ?

2019-07-08T01:45:03+00:00

Albo

Roar Rookie


But for a consistent goalkicker they could well have won their last 3 matches instead of those 3 close losses, and they would now be equal 2nd on the ladder ? But in saying all that , there seems to be something not right with that team. Their defence has been surprisingly dodgy for some weeks with errors everywhere and a lack of urgency in their game. Some of my observations about the Sharks right now : Not sure the halves are running the right game plans. I am sick of seeing Nikora running great lines at holes all day and never given the ball ? Young Xerri is a great ball runner, but seems pretty clueless in defence. Dugan is forever injured or sore ? Young Williams has great potential but is full of errors. Gallen needs to hang up the boots now. Moylan has something on his mind other than footy ? The Brayley boys need to be sorted out . Both have great ability with Jayden the more experienced but Jayson looks to have more attacking scope. Both deserve to be getting 80 minutes somewhere ?

2019-07-08T01:18:50+00:00

Superspud

Roar Rookie


I believe Friend is back next week. With Latrell on Friday. He got the ball done a ridiculous cross field bomb and then just stood there. The Tigers tried to get back to the space but couldn't quite. Also the knock downs attempting intercepts and the late grabs that result in high or missed tackles all come from laziness. Freddy was spot on.

2019-07-08T01:12:08+00:00

BA Sports

Roar Guru


Moylan and Johnson have combined for 31 errors in the 9 and 8 games (respectively they have played). While Dugan has contributed a tidy 25 errors in 14 games. Together these three are responsible for 31% of the Sharks errors this year (and Johnson and Moylan have only played half the games!)

2019-07-08T01:04:01+00:00

souvalis

Roar Rookie


That last 15 were his worst..for the third week running ......next week will really test the first year coach..

2019-07-08T01:03:06+00:00

Albo

Roar Rookie


Moylan had another ordinary game yesterday, but he still laid on two good tries. Not sure what Johnson did yesterday except not run the ball, miss tackles and to continue to cut out Nikora ,the team's best hole runner, to instead go to Dugan the team's worst finisher ?

2019-07-08T00:53:20+00:00

Albo

Roar Rookie


Totally agree regarding Latrelle. He will win the Chooks some matches , but is highly likely to lose some with his lazy defence as well. Their other weakness is the dummy half work of Radley. Too many poor passes. Whether Friend will get back before the finals or not, things need to improve there. But the Chooks are still the team to beat I feel. They are still strong in most departments. JWH was awesome this week and along with Taukeiaho & Lui offer a tremendous middle third to roll through most packs. And their backline is full of points.

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