Why North Melbourne are neither as good nor as bad as people think

By Lucas Lewit-Mendes / Roar Pro

Despite a couple of close losses, Rhyce Shaw and his troops have been largely praised since turning around a dire start to the season.

This was after some doomsday reporting early in the season, suggesting that the playing list needed a clear out.

However, North should be careful not to make a rash decision to either coach or playing list.

While Shaw has clearly given his players motivation and direction, interim coaches only have to step in the door to change the momentum of the team.

Paul Roos suggested players often treat a change in coach as a fresh start, and it forces them to switch on. Of the three most recent caretakers who have later been appointed full-time, two had immediate success as caretaker.

Brett Ratten took on a woeful side, so he isn’t a good comparison to Rhyce Shaw. However, Mark Harvey and Matt Primus had similar success to Shaw as caretakers, before dramatically falling away the following year.

On the other hand, looking back to the 2000s, there is no clear pattern to suggest North Melbourne should or shouldn’t appoint Shaw. Roos himself was in fact a very successful appointment after being interim coach.

Rhyce Shaw. (Photo by Michael Dodge/Getty Images)

What concerns me about the Kangaroos under Shaw is that the improvement has mostly come from extreme pressure on the opposition. This is hard to maintain, especially the following season when the novelty of having a new inspirational coach has worn off.

Both the Western Bulldogs and Richmond won premierships off unbelievable forward pressure over a four-to-six week period, but were unable to maintain it the following year.

The Bulldogs tumbled down the ladder in 2017, while Richmond’s pressure was the worst of any finals team in 2018. Can Shaw maintain an effective forward press over a long period of time?

The doomsayers should also quieten down, as North has some great talent coming through. The apparent 21-25 age gap will be partly resolved if Jy Simpkin and Jed Anderson continue to develop strongly and if Paul Ahern can combine his 2018 form with more defensive nous.

Add in potential superstars Tarryn Thomas, Nick Larkey and Luke Davies-Uniacke, and North should have no trouble replacing their experienced top-liners.

Thomas is the real wildcard, as he has already shown regular glimpses of remarkable game sense and balance. There is no need to trade for another high draft pick – it will only make it harder for these young stars to develop.

Shaw has done a great job so far inspiring his players and bringing out some great performances from those youngsters. To make sure this young talent is nourished, North should be careful to consider who has the strategic nous to fit the puzzle pieces together over the long-term. If that man is Rhyce Shaw, he could just be the next Paul Roos.

Here’s a glimpse of what the Kangas best 22 might look in 2022.

B: Ed Vickers-Willis, Robbie Tarrant, Marley Williams
HB: Jamie Macmillan, Sam Durdin, Luke McDonald
C: Jared Polec, Paul Ahern, Jy Simpkin
HF: Tarryn Thomas, Nick Larkey, Cam Zurhaar
F: Jack Ziebell, Ben Brown, Kayne Turner
R: ?, Ben Cunnington, Jed Anderson
INT: Shaun Atley, Luke Davies-Uniacke, Trent Dumont, Mason Wood

Who is going to replace the stars by 2022?

Key defenders
A slight concern when Scott Thompson retires, as McKay and Durdin are yet to perform at AFL level. Tarrant should still be around, while Vickers-Willis can play as third tall if fit.

Small and medium defenders
Brad McKenzie and Mitchell Hibberd didn’t work out, so a good kicking halfback will be necessary as Macmillan ages.

Midfielders
Davies-Uniacke and Ahern should peak around the same time as Cunnington and Shaun Higgins tail-off. Ahern is very talented, but needs to work on his defensive game. While he is probably in our best 22 as a half-back or half-forward, North have made to right decision to force him to perfect his midfield positioning in the VFL (in the mould of Tom Mitchell, perhaps).

Simpkin can play forward or midfield, and has already started to show his class at 21. Dumont might eventually take on more inside midfield time to replace the grunt of Cunnington and Ziebell.

Key forwards
Larkey’s breakthrough is a huge step forward, as they hadn’t really found a replacement for Jarrad Waite beforehand. Another mobile forward would be useful back-up to the unreliable Wood.

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Small forwards
Thomas has the talent to be the club’s most mercurial player since Boomer Harvey or Daniel Wells. There’s the pressure of Turner, and then there’s Zurhaar, who looks like he will provide a Ziebell-style crash and bash impact for the next ten years.

Rucks
Clearly, Todd Goldstein will need to be replaced, perhaps through the VFL.

Who do they need to draft with their next two first-rounders?
A top-quality halfback is a priority, as Jasper Pittard is only a short-term stopgap. A Tarrant replacement would be handy, while a nimble permanent small forward would provide something a bit different.

The Crowd Says:

2019-07-29T05:27:40+00:00

Munro Mike

Roar Rookie


Coming off half back often you want a mobile defender with the skills of a winger - - you need a bit of run and delivery nouse. Presently Macmillan and McDonald aren't really delivering on that criteria. Yeah - McDonald does a few lock down jobs - - right now I'd love to see Higgins coming off the half back line and launching attacks from there. Taylor - is very young and slight - I really didn't like him coming in for the Essendon game and when Wood was a late out and replaced by Hrovat.....we had no hope....and still almost held on. That was an ideal (Wood out) chance to play a guy from left field in Hosie.

2019-07-27T12:50:03+00:00

Doctor Rotcod

Roar Rookie


Goldstein dominated Hickey but to no avail. Cunnington and Higgins well off the pace. Sheed,Shuey,Yeo all played good games.

2019-07-27T12:17:57+00:00

Philip Mendes

Guest


I suspect North will significantly turn over their list in the next 2 years in an attempt to achieve success, and avoid continuing their pattern of finishing somewhere between 6th and 12th. The departure of Brad Scott - apart from showing that in recent years the team under his control was clearly under-achieving - has provided a really useful opportunity to show which players have the potential to step up to a higher level, and equally those who are not likely to further improve. There is some strong young talent as evident particularly in Thomas, Simpkin, LDU, Zurhaar, Larkey and Will Walker if he can overcome his knee injury. But equally, the jury is out on Durdin, McKay and to some extent Luke McDonald given he was a high draft pick. North should retain their top end mature talent: Cunnington, Brown, Tarrant and Higgins. But I would not be at all surprised if some of the journeymen are traded or even delisted. Rather ambivalent about Goldie, he has been good this year, but still has poor games against certain types of ruckman. I'm not sure that Tom Campbell, who has dominated most VFL games on about a quarter of his salary, is inferior in his ruck work.

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2019-07-27T03:54:43+00:00

Lucas Lewit-Mendes

Roar Pro


Ladhams could be a good one to target - Port should be happy with Lycett for another 3-4 years.

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2019-07-27T03:51:08+00:00

Lucas Lewit-Mendes

Roar Pro


Note the above has been edited ^^ Thanks for the comments, Tarryn could be a brownlow winner! You might be right about LDU, Cunnington should still be a solid mid like Josh Kennedy though. I'm not sure Curtis Taylor is up to it, there aren't too many medium forwards in the modern game. If we took out Macmillan and Mcdonald, we'd have to bring in 2 defenders.

2019-07-26T21:34:05+00:00

Colonel Klink

Roar Rookie


Not bad, although not sold on Atley or still being on the list and in the best 22 in a couple of years. Honest footballers, but if NMFC are to challenge top 4, improvement is needed but can’t see if from these 2....

2019-07-26T11:07:39+00:00

M B

Guest


I thought it was Tyler Durden.

2019-07-26T09:48:43+00:00

Timmuh

Roar Guru


Travelling to Brisbane and Perth in successive weeks is a massive ask, and getting belted would not really be a fair indication. Most non-Vic teams are spared back-to-back travel, some years a Vic club gets lumped with it. (If one was an interstate "home" game, no problems) That said, West Coast would be big favourites anyway. As for being contenders, even if by a miracle North were to win its too late to make the eight now - much less get into a contending position.

2019-07-26T06:55:35+00:00

Boo

Guest


Think you better put that comment on ice Mattician.

2019-07-26T06:06:49+00:00

User

Roar Rookie


We're all about the crack at West coast.

2019-07-26T06:06:09+00:00

User

Roar Rookie


Nah not really.

2019-07-26T05:39:59+00:00

Boo

Guest


Thanks TTF.Hope he coaches Geelong after Chris Scott .

2019-07-26T05:04:31+00:00

The Brazilian

Roar Rookie


Gotta agree with that. WC went down without really having a crack.

2019-07-26T05:02:25+00:00

The Brazilian

Roar Rookie


Matty Scarlett has no interest in a senior position for the time being, at least. Not putting his hand up.

2019-07-26T04:57:16+00:00

DingoGray

Roar Guru


It was a bad loss considering the circumstancs of the match and the form of your opposition. Not to mention the Quarter of Football where there wasn’t a goal scored. While not a horrific results, Leading by close enough to three goals at three quarter time against a side struggling for form on your home deck I would say is not a tremendous outcome either

2019-07-26T04:23:58+00:00

User

Roar Rookie


One point loss to the 3rd on the ladder side? Horrific outcome wasn't it.

2019-07-26T04:06:37+00:00

Klompy

Guest


Just lets see how good North Melbourne are? after playing the Eagles for the first time this year. Are we Eagles supporters arrogant or are you being arrogant thinking North will win. Just want to see how good North are . If you win then North deserve to be in the top eight if not and if the get belted then they are the losers. You are playing one of the grand final favourites and still playing good football with; the injuries they have. But if North win then they are contenders.

2019-07-26T03:42:13+00:00

DingoGray

Roar Guru


i do love the arrogance of you Eagles supporters.... Bit similar reaction from you lot to a fortnight ago.... and we know how that turned out.... Don't be counting your "Eagles before they've hatched"

2019-07-26T03:40:50+00:00

DingoGray

Roar Guru


Like what they are building there you Holyness. Larkey looks to be a bloody good find.... I just wish he didn't "clatter" this teeth on my man Harris forearm last weekend.....

2019-07-26T03:12:18+00:00

Klompy

Guest


Lets wee how good North Melbourne are after this week end. After they have played the Eagles who one of the Premiership favourites and Premiers. So will North be contenders or losers after the mighty Eagles have belted them? Go Eagles.

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