Justin Langer should stand down as ODI coach

They didn't pick Hazlewood because he was obviously not uninjured enough. He's in our top 3 best bowlers; you don't just not pick him for kicks and giggles Look, aside from injuries, he picked the best side he had. My only change would have been Handscomb for a bowler (probably Richardson). We could have tried to pick an out-of-form Faulkner or M Marsh, or a Turner off the back of a disastrous IPL or a Christian who hasn't played the format for 2 years or a Short or Lynn out of position, but the reality is, we don't have a strong middle order, period. We just don't have the cattle. That's my point. "Why not give someone else a go?" Uhh... because Langer performed well above expectations and got the world's 5th best ODI team one batting collapse away from the final? Let's not administer change for change's sake here. That would be daft.

I'm not sure he should be Test coach given what happened over the summer and in the UAE before that. Finch opening and still picking a 35 year old Marsh despite the worst run in 120 years was a real head scratcher. Not only selected Labuschagne ahead of guys like Burns or Patterson (or even Maxwell with his 40 FC average), but made him first drop. The series loss to the Indians was on Langer and it's a stain on our proud Test record.

Maybe they see the same thing in Short that they saw in Carey and were trying to fast track him? He'll only be better for the exposure. A few months of game based batting coaching from Ponting is invaluable at his age.

Oh Steven! Have you noticed we have about 40 players all worthy of playing for Australia now? Before JL took over, we had a core of about 7 and the rest were hopeful selections. I say put him in charge of the country's politics as well...and, maybe, the church and schools.

self fulfilling we on;y see nickers and nudgers because we only see what we want to see' i think langer wanted t get games into the bulk of the test team and hope that Maxwell has another 15 campaign to make up for it someone like Lynn getting 4 games, when he both destroys T20 but has a 43 FC average - the only thing limiting the playing pool is the limits imposed.

I thought Howard was high performance. Different role altogether from coaching director.

Justin Langer has done nothing wrong with the One-Day side. In the space of just over 12 months, he’s changed the team completely from a mismatch of T20 sloggers and mediocre domestic players to an extremely competitive 50 over lineup. Crucially, he pinpointed 2 strengths that his (rather limited) player pool possessed; the depth of batting accumulators, and the breadth of fast bowling options. With this in mind, he adopted a simple gameplan: nick and nudge our way to a score of 280-310 and back our bowlers to defend it. We don’t have the slogging cattle of England, nor do we have the perfectly balanced bowling cartel of India, nor do we have the luxury of having a small but consistent and stable squad like New Zealand. Langer devised a simple, realistic plan. I daresay Australia would have won, had 2 things not happened: 1. 2 of our best 4 quicks in Jhye and Josh got injured. They were an enormous part of our tactic and would have allowed us to drop NCN and Kane, our two weakest players on the plane. 2. Smith and Warner disrupting the flow of the squad by coming in late. There was nothing we can do about this because it was inevitable, but it stalled Khawaja and Marsh’s form immensely and meant they were moved and up and down the order like a yo-yo. We have our 2 best bowlers and the top order isn’t volatile, we win most matches, and Langer is a genius.

It’s all a bit confusing! If you aren’t interested in ODI until a coupla months out from the next World Cup, why care? Also why should CA waste time and money on searching for, interviewing and overseeing a separate coaching apparatus to look for the next big thing? Seems you just aren’t a fan of Langer, as all the other WC countries had coaching staff who steer their whole cricket program. Also don’t know why you think Short and Stanlake won’t become longer form players. Warner started out as a hit and giggler, having played T20 before a first class game, but his maturity in the WC crafting different hundreds showed players can transcend T20. Considering Short & Stanlake’s ages, they’re a monty for 2023. You seem to intimate that it’s a negative having control in one person’s hands – Langer, but it then is confusing that you believe the future of ODI’s needs the attention of only one person. As Langer had only been Australian coach for about 12 months and his CV is filled with short form success with Perth, WA & Somerset, then he is surely as qualified as Gillespie and that CV undoubtedly got him the job.

It’s actually interesting Paul that Langer was a red ball specialist as a player, yet as a coach his domestic success is all in white ball cricket. Having said that, domestic cricket is unique in the sense that you don’t really “recruit”, instead you tend to have a squad made up predominately of local players, so I guess you’ve gotta make the most of what you’ve got.

The issue that you don't touch on Stephan is mindset. A guy like Langer who was so successful at Test cricket, clearly has the knowledge about the way this game is played, the tempo, the levels of concentration, etc. He played little if any T20 cricket which is clearly a completely different mindset, so unless he's a supercoach ( and I don't think there are too many of them in world cricket) he would struggle mightily at coaching T20. I know he's won the BBL, but there's a huge difference between a domestic comp and coaching national teams, IMO, especially when focus has to change quickly between the different formats.

I don't disagree with your sentiment, however I think the problem can be solved by the coach taking more of an oversight role and letting the captains have full control of their formats. Need the right captains of course (i.e not Smith) - Paine & Finch. Maxwell T20

Hi ozinsa. I agree, a director is good idea. Maybe a director over all three and a coach for each of the formats. It would need something or someone in place to stops squabbling over team selection and availability. At moment I don’t think they treating it as professionally as possible.

Lynn. One of the great T20 players.And averages a stellar 43 in FC. There is reason on earth he wouldn't be a ODI jet We put 4 games into him. 4. Not 40. I am happy for Langer to be moved on however. Maxwell as player/coach, with Watto as cheerleader. I'd like to see that!

Not sure what I think on this. Prefer a compromise where Langer is Director and there are specialist ODI and T20 coaches under him. No matter how you cut it we need to consider the overall squad regardless of format