Give Rob Penney time

By Tipsy McStagger / Roar Pro

Small incremental changes are happening at the Waratahs under Rob Penney.

You can see Penney’s Crusaders background in the way the Waratahs are starting to attack, and you can also see his northern hemisphere experience in the way they are starting to defend. Basic skills are still letting the Waratahs down though, but these are slowly improving with more time spent under Penney.

Let’s hope that the fans and administrators give Penney the time he needs to turn these incremental gains into a wholesale revolution.

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Changes in attack
The Waratahs, under Penney, are still using the 1-3-3-1 attacking structure. Although this is the same structure that they used in previous years, there are some slight differences showing under Penney’s coaching.

The first is that the ball is regularly being moved to the side of the field. This can at times look like aimless passing for the sake of going wide without making any forward momentum. What they are trying to do is to set up a ruck on either side of the field so their attacking structure can be set up across the entire width of the field.

Once this is achieved, they can then start to cycle the ball through their attacking structure. This is nothing revolutionary but in years gone past this movement of the ball has not been such a feature of the Waratahs’ game and they were more inclined to try and set up their attacking structure in a rush from wherever they found possession.

This newfound width is a very Kiwi trait, which requires a bit of patience and trust in the attacking structure. The idea is that the structure will stretch the defence and naturally create mismatches and space, especially after a few cycles, which is where the ball should then be moved to.

A second difference is that the Waratahs are now mostly skipping the first pod of three forwards when they bring the ball back in-field. Again, nothing revolutionary, but in years gone past they have religiously hit this first pod of forwards, which stunted their attack and gave the defence ample time to realign.

A third difference is a change in their counterattack. As opposed to years gone past, the Waratahs are making a concerted effort to move the ball at least two passes way from the turnover area, which is a classic Crusaders trait. They have strung together some promising counter attacks, but their basic skills have let them down.

Their support play on counter attack is definitely improving under Penney and like Kiwi teams, a lot of their counter attacks are being run down either side of the field. On a side note, Jack Maddocks has picked up this directive loud and clear as he is making a very concerted effort to shift the ball away from the spot where he catches the ball when under pressure (this is opposed to most Waratahs fullbacks in years gone past who would’ve panicked and kicked or taken contact).

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A fourth difference is the fearlessness with which they are playing. There is an obvious increase of offloads in contact (or attempts thereof). Their basic skills are again letting them down here, but they are definitely striving to make this a permanent part of their game.

They are also making more attempts at using their attacking structure to run the ball out of their own 22, albeit only when they have the scoreboard lead (more on this later). It is clear that the Waratahs are being encouraged to play fearless rugby by Penney and that they are being allowed to make mistakes, especially in their offloads, to achieve the greater goal.

Perhaps the most heartening feature is the heads-up plays that are occurring, which indicates players are being encouraged to think for themselves and go off script sometimes. A nice example of this was Will Harrison’s impromptu cross-field kick to James Ramm from a scrum penalty, which resulted in a fine try.

Fifthly, the movement of the ball within the pods is improving. Running lines from the other two forwards in the pod are much better and the passing by the lead forward is becoming much more fluid and not a rigid and telegraphed as years gone past. The pods are also increasingly moving around the field and not just sticking in their lanes as in the past – it is good to see some variation in their width too.

Surprisingly, the Waratahs are still resorting to tight forward play in the middle of the field when they enter the opposition 22. You have to wonder what influenced Penney’s decision making here. My thoughts are that he has clearly seen the lack of skill set (and unfamiliarity with his way of using the 1-3-3-1) and decided not to waste good ball through simple mistakes in the opposition 22 (probably the same reason as not trying to run the ball out their own 22 when behind on the scoreboard). I suspect this too will gradually change under Penney’s coaching.

Small fixes on attack
As mentioned before, basic passing and catching skills are really hurting the Waratahs’ attack. The skills shortage is highlighted when players like Michael Hooper regularly make bad passes in the wide channels or fail to sum up the situation in front of them by giving their outside player bad ball.

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Poor rucking on attack has added to the hurt. This sometimes takes the form of players leaving their feet at the ruck, but it also takes the more alarming form of basic poor decision making. As an example, the Waratahs had an attacking lineout just inside the opposition 22 and the first phase ensued after a run by the hooker. I counted four forwards over the top of tackled hooker plus another unnecessarily cleaning out an opposition player some ten metres past the ruck. This left the next pod of forwards undermanned and it led to a penalty being given away.

It is also obvious that the Waratahs are not properly conditioned to play the style of game that Penney wants them to play. The forwards’ off-the-ball work on attack is not good enough, especially as the game wears on. Their inability to get back into position quickly on attack is giving the defence too much to time to reset.

But these are all small problems that can be fixed with time. Once these small problems get fixed, the Waratahs’ attack will improve out of sight.

Changes in defence
The Waratahs have adopted the classic rush defence under Penney’s coaching. There were some teething problems at first, but the improvements have been encouraging.

A hallmark of this defence can be seen in the defensive lineout set-ups. In opposition territory, the Waratahs contest hard for the ball at the lineout. Once the lineout moves into their territory, they drop a man to bolster their back line defence. This back line is then compressed with the open winger standing on the 15-metre line, leaving the entirety of the 15-metre channel unmanned.

Hallmarks of this type of defence can also be seen on their general play defence – they compress their defensive line, do not really commit players to the ruck, tackle in twos and leave the respective wide channels unmanned.

This defence is coupled with a swivelling back three whereby the open winger joins the compressed defensive line, the fullback hovers to plug the gap in the wide channel if the ball is moved that way and the blind winger tracks across to cover the fullback’s spot (if the fullback is called upon to join the line and plug the gap out wide).

Small fixes on defence
While the Waratahs’ outside backs are managing the space at the end of the compressed defensive line much better, this still remains a work on. Wingers in this type of defensive system need to make really important decisions and young Mark Nawaqanitawase has been caught out a few times.

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A lot of players are also still ruck watching in general play instead of looking up to see how the attacking players are setting up but there was a big improvement in the Brumbies game.

The issue of poor ruck work also keeps popping its head up on defence – players leaving their feet, players joining from the side and players unnecessarily over-committing to rucks.

And as with the attack, the Waratahs are lacking conditioning. They are just too slow to realign on defence, especially as the game wears on. I saw one example of poor off-the-ball work in defence due to fatigue, which led to a massive seam opening up right in the middle of the field (the exact place where it is not supposed to open up in a rush defence) but luckily for the Waratahs the Reds passed the ball forward and couldn’t capitalise on the gap.

But these are all small problems that can be fixed with time. The Waratahs’ defence has progressed a lot and they were pretty good against the Brumbies. With time, and the elimination of silly errors, their defence will turn into a feature of their game.

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Kicking
Another trait that has developed in the Waratahs under Penney is tactical kicking. They kick long and wait for the return kick. They keep doing this until the opposition back three have been forced to run forward and offside or been pulled out of position, at which point a touch finder or a recoverable kick is put through. The distance that Maddocks can get on his boot has been instrumental to this and it has become a major weapon in the Waratahs’ arsenal.

The Waratahs’ tactical kicking game has improved a lot, and like Kiwi teams, they utilise tactical kicking to enhance their attack. In years gone past, their kicking game was generally substandard, and it was not thought through much further than two moves ahead.

Player roster
An interesting development over the rest of the year, and leading into next year, will be any changes Penney makes to the player roster. He would not have had any control over his player roster when he came in as coach and I suspect, had he done so, he would’ve done an overhaul to suit his way of playing.

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I strongly suspect that there have been some players (mostly Wallabies) who clearly go against instructions at times. One example is Ned Hanigan deciding to contest a defensive lineout on the Waratahs’ own five-metre line (clearly going against the defensive game plan), which led to a knock on, a Reds scrum and a yellow card to Angus Bell.

Another example is Rob Simmons deciding to hit the ball up in the first pod when the ball came back inside from the side of the field (despite Will Harrison being ready behind him to spread the ball), doing it again, making no ground and giving the defence ample time to set.

Conclusion
Rob Penney is making slow but very meaningful progress at the Waratahs. The start of a Crusaders-like attack is there to be seen and the same with a classic northern hemisphere rush defence.

Basic skills are letting the Waratahs down in both attack and defence, but these are improving week by week and they can be fixed with time. It is also good to see the start of attacking tactical kicking making its way into the Waratahs’ arsenal.

It will be interesting to see if Penney makes changes to his player roster over the next 12 months and if he moves some Wallabies players along.

The initial signs showing in the Waratahs’ play under Penney are very encouraging and I hope that fans and administrators give him the time and patience to complete the revolution.

The Crowd Says:

2020-07-24T04:18:29+00:00

Sgt Pepperoni

Roar Rookie


Agree. Great analysis I've really enjoyed watching the young players from the reds and Waratahs this year

2020-07-23T12:26:35+00:00

Paul D

Roar Rookie


Darren Coleman? One Shute Shield title to his name and he’s better than Penny?

2020-07-23T11:35:47+00:00

LBJ

Roar Rookie


Darren Coleman was the obvious choice for the waratahs, but there was also John McKee - and Eddie jones is the best coach in the world - the difference in the RWC semi was in the coaching box. Jones could have been available mid next year.

2020-07-23T11:32:41+00:00

LBJ

Roar Rookie


I'm not having a go at anyone - not you or penny or thorne or NZ or the ARU - I am making an observation on the narrative. And to me it is clear, obvious and problematic. | And let's be honest enough to admit that no Australian would have been given the rope that thorne has been given, nor treated with anywhere near as much respect despite a 20% win rate and no meaningful wins - and no Wallabies coach has ever been criticised as harshly or as disrespectfully as Cheika despite a poor but significantly better track record including silverware.

2020-07-23T09:31:47+00:00

Deew

Guest


I think you’re right regarding those players outside the game day 23. It’s hard on them as they don’t have the opportunity to shine elsewhere as they’re not meant to play SS and aren’t getting a run. I reckon HJH would prefer the other side of the scrum too, but hes doing a great job at THP for a young bloke whose playing his first games at this level in a harder position. Even before the season started TR was picked at LHP. Like you say the locks are doing their part for now, but we do need a crash ball forward getting over the gain line consistently, whether that’s a lock, 8 or 6 (preferably all) setting a platform. Dempsey can be effective with footwork at the line, but we need some oomph to compliment it. I am liking the progression from the start of the year and can’t wait for things to click.

2020-07-23T09:21:54+00:00

Armchair Halfback

Roar Rookie


Nice stuff. Like the alias too, reminds of when the great Oscar Wilde said that "work is the curse of the drinking classes" ;)

2020-07-23T08:49:24+00:00

peterj

Roar Rookie


Great article with some lovely analysis in there. I think Penney has really proven himself in this post COVID world. I was very nervous coming into super rugby AU but the Tahs have shown enough that they’re definitely building. I like the fact the Penney is not afraid to drop guys but also supports them when needed. I’m really liking the look of Harrison at number 10 and the impact Hunt has had on his performance cannot be understated. Maddocks has improved significantly and Swinton as well. Bodes well for the future!

2020-07-23T08:27:34+00:00

jeznez

Roar Guru


I haven't seen his Glasgow sides play but he never picked the biggest backrows with the Chiefs. The Chiefs won their titles in 2012 and 2013 with Latimer, Messam, Cane and 8's like Kane Thomspon and Matt Van Leven. He may have changed his view, or even have a different view of what is needed for international rugby but if the Wallabies have similar hallmarks to his Chiefs sides there is no reason a couple of high work rate players can't be in the mix. My general suspicion is that he may want a harder ruck presence - particularly as it seems likely he'll have at least one and maybe more newer guys at lock.

2020-07-23T08:14:55+00:00

Paul D

Roar Rookie


Don’t know where your coming from with seeing this as a criticism of Aussie coaches. Who is the Aussie coach who is even remotely capable and available to coach the Wallabies and who was ignored in favour of Rennie? Who even for the Tahs for that matter? Where are you hiding them?

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2020-07-23T06:58:59+00:00

Tipsy McStagger

Roar Pro


Hi Jeznez, Out of interest, with the way Rennie will want to play, do you think there is room for both Hooper and Samu in the Wallaby back row, or does one miss out, or even both?

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2020-07-23T06:42:39+00:00

Tipsy McStagger

Roar Pro


Hi LBJ, Penney is not a bad coach. He was very successful with Canterbury (4 titles in 4 years I think). He then took that mindset to Munster and took them to semi finals (he was one the pioneers of "pod rugby" to the northern hemisphere). He then went to Japan with the same mindset and made an average club look above average. Taking Canterbury systems overseas, especially the northern hemisphere, is no easy task. The narrative is not anti-Australian at all. The FACT (whether people like it or not) is that Kiwi-land is ahead in the rugby IP stakes at the moment, just like Australia was around the turn of the millennium - remember the Kiwis coming to the Brumbies to ask "how do you do it".... If you want to blame someone, blame the ARU and the state unions for not developing and appointing local coaches (or taking on board what they have to say/coach) - their systems are beyond a joke. My article does not denigrate Australian coaches and does not say that they should not be given an opportunity or leniency. If you want to read into it that way then so be it. Your leniency argument is thin. Cheika was given everything he wanted for 5 years, despite his record and antics.

2020-07-23T06:32:14+00:00

jeznez

Roar Guru


Tandy was a big loss, he rebuilt their defence after the shambles Grey left it in. I feel for Bailey, a big step up in level for him and only employed part time. Gilmore though, has had immediate impact. We've been lucky to get him. Fully agree they need to develop more nuance to their attack near the try line. It can't just be this one off the ruck, pick and go they are defaulting to. The good news is they have found something they can fall back on when they are struggling to hold the pill. You can have much greater confidence trying some things if you have a method to fall back on when nothing is working. I'd be very surprised if Rennie doesn't want Hooper in his squad but equally I'd be surprised if he hasn't been given some very clear work on's. I wonder if the reason Hooper has been a bit less visible these last few weeks is him working on aspects Rennie has asked him to, I wonder the same for Pete Samu as well. With regard to Hooper's choices and lines when running wide, if he played in my social rugby team I'd just have him running in 3 attackers v 2 defenders drills until the decisions and use of space improved. Am sure these guys have vastly more sophisticated drills to help him work on it.

2020-07-23T05:26:24+00:00

LBJ

Roar Rookie


I don't actually disagree with the thrust of the article - because a new coach deserves time (although Penny's record is awful and he has to be 'on-watch'). But it must be said - the general and persistent narrative presented here (and across articles on this site and others) is deeply concerning and frankly off-putting... Generally speaking the narrative is: - Australian rugby must be cleansed of Australians. Only Kiwi can 'fix' us - Kiwi coaches, Kiwi administrators, Kiwi regional structures and now even a Kiwi competition. It's true of Penny, Thorne, and of course Rennie will also get the same leniency - if there is a win (or even a half-decent performance - 'what an amazing coach - how lucky are we to have him', if they lose - 'well he cant be accountable - these players have been so poorly coached by Australians up till now - just give him time with these young players and he'll turn them into Kiwis.' Its a sad irony that Aussie coaches are given far less room to fail before they are brought down - consider all our recent Wallabies coaches and our SR coaches - and that no Aussie coaches were even considered for either the NSW or Wallabies positions. I'm not having a go at these current coaches themselves, but this narrative gives Australian rugby no room to actually have a clean win, as every perspective gives credit to Kiwi.

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2020-07-23T03:58:48+00:00

Tipsy McStagger

Roar Pro


Hi Paul D, I think once the COVID finally dust settles, there will be a fair few nervous squad members. I suspect Penney is definitely on the look out for bigger and more dynamic tight five players...

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2020-07-23T03:56:37+00:00

Tipsy McStagger

Roar Pro


:thumbup:

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2020-07-23T03:56:20+00:00

Tipsy McStagger

Roar Pro


Hi Jeznez, You make good points about the shifting to the tight play in the opposition 22m, the pressure of the shallow try line defence on Will Harrison and the influence Karmichael Hunt has had. Some coaches would tell their players to persevere with the system so as to eventually achieve competency but I guess the bigger picture has to be balanced with pragmatism. I wanted to see a bit more options to negate the try line defensive pressure but I guess that will come with time. Agree with you on Jason Gilmore. After Steve Tandey left, Phil Bailey came in as a part-timer and it was telling - it might just be my imagination but I now see a lot of good, concise and clear coaching in the defence. Agree with you on Michael Hooper - how do you think he will be viewed by Dave Rennie given the type of game Rennie will want to play and do you reckon Rennie may just not pick him?

2020-07-23T03:00:54+00:00

Paul D

Roar Rookie


One point about the roster. I don't think it is so much the Wallabies that are in danger of being pushed out the door this year, but a few others instead. If I were McCauley, Holloway, Sinclair, Moeroa, or Clark I would be making new plans. Holloway has a chance to prove himself this weekend, but I think the others are toast. Robertson is still the strongest scrummager on either side. HJH seems in favour, Simmons and Ned are playing the lock roles well enough until somebody can be recruited and Dempsey has improved also. Perhaps helping Dempsey is the fact that Harris is far from ready to take over on a regular basis.

2020-07-23T02:36:16+00:00

Jarrod Murray

Roar Rookie


Loved the article Tipsy. I saw Jez refer to this in his comment, however, I will also say that Karmichael Hunt seems to have a tremendous influence on the Waratahs attack as a whole. Although, maybe I'm biased because I love his style of play. Hopefully he stays fit and healthy!

2020-07-23T02:20:02+00:00

jeznez

Roar Guru


Tipsy, the pick and go attack really evolved on field so I don't actually think it was a coach driven strategy. The team was able to kick into good positions which forced the opposition outside D back and enabled them to make yards with the boot or running until they started to get closer to the try line and then that D line was able to tighten. Once they reached the 22 and the defence no longer needed to sit as deep, the Tahs attack struggled to penetrate. Before Hunt's return Harrison was tending to sit deeper and deeper and either hitting up himself or shuffling the ball on. Since Hunt's return it's noticeable that Harrison is playing flatter and giving closer to the D line more often. I think the influence is clear. That pick and go attack near the line started with the Reds, multiple forays saw the ball lost quickly and the forwards shifted tactis and decided to hang on to it until HJH crashed over. Against the Force Brache and Ferris were rushing and picking off Harrison sitting deep again so once more the forwards went tight with reward for Bell and Staniforth. In neither game did the team start with that attack platform, they shifted to it when they struggled to hold the ball so I really think that has been player led as well. The big shifts in defence from the Tahs have come since Gilmore joined over the break - I think he has to take the lion's share of credit for that. I think Penney is doing great with instilling belief and as you point out giving the team the ability to try things. He's also much improved his team selections since we started Super AU. Fully agree that he's showing some great signs and should be allowed more time. Happily I've not heard anyone suggest he doesn't deserve a few seasons to instil his influence on the squad. You mentioned Hooper's wide attack issues, I think he's been poor in wide channels for quite a while. If there isn't a gap, when space is there Hooper is great with his speed to take it. When there isn't space he tends to angle to the outside and give to players in worse positions. He really needs to do better at squaring up, fixing defenders and making better passing decisions. Dempsey has been more effective as an edge forward this year and more surprisingly so has Swinton. Where those two had been struggling was when they needed to play tighter both happily have been making improvements there.

2020-07-23T01:52:39+00:00

gazza

Roar Rookie


Great analysis. I am a Maddocks fan and its great to see that the coach is using Maddock's array of skills and not using him as a utility back as others have done. The team is still gelling and until that process is completed there will be errors of this relatively young side. Confidence will build. My only disappointment with the game against the Brumbies was the decision of the coach to sub off the hooker so early. Until then he had a near perfect game and our line outs were fantastic. When the replacement hooker entered lineouts were lost and confidence died. It was a mess for a while. Why coaches substitute players when they are hot bemuses me.

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