Return of the quick questions: Is this the future of Super Rugby?

By The Roar / Editor

Super Rugby AU has been concluded and the Brumbies have added another trophy to the cabinet. In a final that had everything it was a just reward for being the standout Australian team across both competitions in 2020.

But this means the tipping panel have a bit of time on their hands, so we’ve decided to revive an old format that has been sitting in the bottom draw of a desk for a few years: the quick questions.

First, though, a quick wrap of the tipping panel for 2020: in the end Harry’s red mist allowed The Crowd to swoop and Brett to catch him again.

Last week
Brett, Geoff, Nobes, Dan and The Crowd all had the Brumbies; Harry and Digger took the Reds.

Overall
The Crowd 31, Harry and Brett 30, Dan 29, Digger 28, Geoff and Nobes 27.

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We’ll try to get the panel operational again later in the year, when hopefully the Rugby Championship can still take place.

The quick questions do what it says on the tin: a couple of tricky questions for each of the panellists to tackle as a way of kicking off some quality rugby chat. Simples.

Question 1

Super Rugby Aotearoa and Super Ruby AU have now wrapped up and last week South Africa announced that their own Super Rugby Unlocked will be incorporated into their Currie Cup competition. But is this the future? Internal competitions with a future possibility of crossover finals? And would we be happy if that is the way forward?

Harry
Red-faced I am, but fair play to Brett McKay for chasing me down, tipping his homeboys to take the SRAU chocolates.

Super Rugby AU is back at work. They have very little money, so a bonanza of 16 weekends of top-level rugby makes sense. If they truly have no money at all, Super Rugby AU may even feel the need to tour to Australia without half their world champion squad, locked up in European and British contracts and obligations.

Two trophies are on offer: the SR Unlocked and the grand old Currie Cup, with a novel linkage between both. I say yes. Hell yes! If you’ve seen a photo of Frans Malherbe recently, you’ll know that he ate Bryson DeChambeau and his caddy.

He needs to play! Soon!

Dan
While Super Rugbies AU and Aotearoa were great successes, we need to keep in mind that any new product is going to attract attention early on. Once it’s not-so-new the same five teams playing each other over and again just isn’t going to have the same allure.

Australia doesn’t have the talent pool or the funding to rapidly expand beyond the current five-team set-up. Hell, even New Zealand’s depth will struggle with the introduction of a sixth team, at least according to the Aratipu report.

Ultimately it’ll come down to the almighty (broadcast) dollar, and I can’t see our TV overlords nodding their assent to another however many years of competition with half the games in difficult time zones. My preferred long-term option would be a trans-Tasman competition and maybe a comparable South African tournament that includes a side or two from Argentina, with Rugby AU’s proposed Champions League-style tournament coming straight after.

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Nobes
Unfortunately the outlook for Argentina is very bad, and the future of professional rugby that had developed with Jaguares has disappeared or is on the way to extinction.

The effort that the countries of the south made to add them to the Super Rugby and Rugby Championship was enormous and I will always be very grateful considering that the geographical location of Argentina is really uncomfortable for the powers of the south or the north.

The only possibility I see is to develop rugby in peripheral countries and in the very long term try to have a competitive tournament in America, but the difference in today’s rugby between potential participating countries and Argentina is too great to attract players of calibre and may just be used as a testbed where players can show themselves to aspire to play somewhere else on the planet

Digger
Certainly it’s hard not to see this type of format for the immediate future and perhaps without the cross over finals in this COVID-19 world. But no, it does not make me particularly happy if this is where we end up.

I for one was a fan of Super Rugby and enjoyed the privilege of watching the overseas sides contest.

Sure, there were issues, but I cannot help but think we will end up poorer for it.

Geoff
It seems increasingly certain that, like it or not, rugby’s near future resides in competitions that are mostly domestic. To date Australian and New Zealand governments have demonstrated ultra-conservatism, and even once upcoming elections are out of the way do not expect free-flowing international travel to suddenly be switched on. A trans-Tasman finals crossover might be manageable, but the best hope for seeing any international participants in Super Rugby next year will be in the form of a few stray Argentinians mopped up by needy franchises and perhaps a Fijian or Japanese side permanently based in Australia.

Is that a good thing? Yes, if the alternative is no rugby at all, but with Qantas a high-profile casualty, Argentine rugby another, COVID remains a huge negative force on the game. It’s really will be a matter of limping through until we find where new normal is and restructuring from there.

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Brett
It certainly appears that this is the immediate future, yes. For one thing, South Africa not wrapping up its Unlocked/Currie Cup finals until late January makes any possible coming together of the SANZAAR partners next year impossible no matter how committed to the partnership the governing body insists all partners are. And that’s before we even consider the situation in Argentina.

Also, can you imagine playing a final in Durban in January!?

But I reckon these internal competitions have an extremely limited shelf life. These new competitions feel to me like the early days of South Park after a decade of The Simpsons – they were new, they were exciting and they had all the lovable edginess that the old format had but seemed to have lost. But the popularity didn’t last.

Aotearoa and AU have produced great rugby and probably will again next year too. But in the long term hands need to be forced. South Africa needs to declare theirs, and the competitions either side of the Tasman need something more to aim for if private equity attraction really is a goal.

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Question 2

Japan has already moved onto 2021 and question marks remain over the possibility and likelihood of the Rugby Championship and the Six-to-Eight Nations going ahead as planned later this year – but would it really matter if no major international tournaments were played in 2020? Would it really hurt if the international focus shifted to what might be doable next year?

Harry
In the long term there still needs to be cross-pollination between the SANZAAR lands. New Zealand needs to play SA brawn and top-line speed; SA needs to test itself against Anzac tricks and skill. Argentina needs to play the big southern hemisphere three to stay in the mix. Australia needs big cash. And a new sponsor. Both.

So I prefer a Champions League for Super Rugby and continued Rugby Championship. But doing any of it this year poses serious issues.

I think I’d just push Bok Test rugby to 2021 in total, but I just don’t know how dire it is.

Dan
On the more immediate international front, let’s go back to that almighty dollar, because that’s what rugby stands to lose with no Tests this year. There are television obligations to fulfill, and no governing body will willingly forego a broadcast cheque at the best of times.

Needless to say, these are not the best of times, which is why I’d be surprised if we don’t get some kind of a Rugby Championship this year, even if the Springboks are replaced by the B Boks.

On the field, with a new generation of Wallabies starting to be ushered in, it’d be a crying shame if we have to wait until 2021 to see the first Test of the Dave Rennie era. Same goes for what the All Blacks will look like under Ian Foster. And with their players match fit after the two domestic seasons, the Bledisloe Cup should remain a high-quality affair.

Plus, we’ve lost enough rugby this year. I don’t want to lose any more.

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Nobes
UAR should no longer have money in its coffers, the leverage of having Agustin Pichot in World Rugby no longer exists, the sponsors are gone and the best players have already started with new contracts for European rugby clubs and someone else will go to Australia.

I don’t see the possibility of putting together a very competitive team for some kind of Super Rugby in the near future, and being able to present a decent team at the Rugby Championship will depend on the willingness of the northern hemisphere clubs to lend the players.

Not to mention for this next tournament to be played in Australia with players who could not play in six months and only train this last month with no fewer than eight COVID-positive players. Needless to say, the difficulty of bringing players who thrive in Europe with the existing health barriers and the monetary cost of taking players to Australia for a UAR with almost no income.

Digger
No, I really do not believe it would be a major issue. Ignoring all the real-world stuff for a moment and based purely on selfish reasons, I would have preferred seeing a fully beefed-up Mitre 10 Cup played out to its conclusion and a more thorough and sure international schedule drafted for 2021 to look forward too.

The idea of ill-prepared or international B squads competing in the Rugby Championship this year is frankly not that exciting.

The Bledisloe should be keenly contested, but it just feels like we would all be better off focusing internally for the balance of 2020.

Geoff
I’m all for salvaging from this year every last scrap of rugby we can. Every Test match not played is another bucket of money lost – money that none of the SANZAAR unions can afford to lose.

Argentina’s preparation and South Africa’s selection may be compromised but this year isn’t about thumping chests over who beats who; it’s about keeping afloat.

If it’s good enough for 150-odd international cyclists to race around France for three weeks – a huge logistical exercise in a far more COVID-challenging environment – and in the process putting on a thrilling contest that came down to the penultimate day, then it should be a breeze for SANZAAR’s professional rugby players to put on a show over a few weekends.

Brett
I’ve got no doubt international rugby will be flogged this year for every last inch, even it means we only see Bledisloe and Calcutta Cup Tests.

But this year more than ever it feels to me that if not everyone can play Test rugby, then maybe no-one should.

And this is where World Rugby should be really looking at its charter and realising that the rainy days it has been saving all its Rugby World Cup revenue for are well and truly here. There will be more World Cups. There might not be as many participants if the governing body doesn’t start aiding the game in its time of greatest need.

The Crowd Says:

2020-09-27T20:24:04+00:00

Carlos the Argie

Roar Guru


You mean "their best". I apologize if your language confuses me, after all, English is my second language. I don't have many opinions about soccer, I don't follow it. I do have friends that spend hours daily discussing this in detail. It is through them, through their collective wisdom, that I am convinced that the local league is mediocre (I have watched a few matches of my beloved Boca over the years and can confirm the mediocrity). Soccer is a global behemoth. There is no way you can control it or manage it the way that rugby still can. It is also fascinating how corrupted it has become. From the local Grondona, to Blatter, and almost everyone that gets close to the FIFA purse, becomes enamored of some slicing for the family fortune. I am surprised that you know so much about the Jaguares. I am glad that you are so optimistic. So far, you have not provided any evidence to me to suggest that your opinion is of significant merit. Nobrain, on the other hand, has shown over time his contacts and knowledge. I do disagree with him on a few issues, I can't remember now what those disagreements were, but I respect his point of view. I have no way of trusting yours so far. Super rugby may not be the best domestic club rugby because it is not domestic and not for clubs. Only this year it has become domestic by force. I don't know how it will evolve. By the way, I saw the Racing92-Sarracens match. Maybe from one of the top "International" club competitions in the world. It was horrendously boring.

2020-09-27T19:25:46+00:00

Steve 50

Roar Rookie


All national teams mostly don’t have there best locally , it doesn’t harm cohesion. You banging on saying local players not playing locally harms cohesion, means you de facto support centralised cohesion in some sort of way in soccer by having players at local clubs. The Argentina national soccer team today gets just as much national training camps as in past and they get just as much chance to form combinations as in the past.. Europe club soccer overall is helping the Argentina national team not harming it . Did you think Europe club soccer was having a negative impact on 2006 Socceroos to? Argentina national soccer team will go backwards if there best players locally on Argentina competition. The Jaguars disbanding won’t harm Argentina rugby, and they will still have ample training camps together to form combinations and matches.. Super rugby ain’t the best domestic club rugby comp in the world , it’s one of about four which are the best...

2020-09-27T18:01:02+00:00

Carlos the Argie

Roar Guru


What are you talking about? What are you inventing? I never proposed centralization or anything. I only state that the Argentine soccer team has not performed to expectations based on the players they supposedly have. That having them around the world has not helped cohesion, compared to the period when they played at home. I also state that the local league is mediocre. Nothing more. And you should say you are all over, not your all over, or you are talking instead of your talking…

2020-09-27T17:39:28+00:00

Steve 50

Roar Rookie


Your being petty in the extreme. Soccer has got more competitive full stop. You even just said the Argentina first division is a joke , so under that logic they are better off in Europe then. But in the same breadth you contradict yourself and say Argentina’s best are better off playing in Argentina’s soccer division for national team benefit. Your all over the place. Your talking like you want centralisation for Argentina’s national soccer team and Argentina’s soccer gov body control recruitment at all Argentina soccer clubs working in cohesion with the national team. Laughable, and it has never been that way. Boca and river plate have always been about club glory not the national team. Exception you say, so was Veron , Carlos tevez, Luis figo the exceptions to? This centralised BS you want has never been part of soccer, blaming Europe clubs for harming Argentina’s football development is laughable . Especially as you have no faith in the Argentina league currently anyway. Yet make the exception excuse. More like the majority of good South Americans flourish in Europe.

2020-09-26T00:35:25+00:00

Brett McKay

Expert


There's a very real chance of that BF. That's one of the reasons the UAR was and has been so keen to part of SANZAAR, simply because of the control they'd gain over the players in terms of development, conditioning, coaching, etc. Now that they're out in the cold again, it's hard to see the European clubs acting in a manner that benefits Argentina..

2020-09-25T22:54:40+00:00

The Late News

Roar Rookie


Well I am shocked. There is a Mrs Crow?

2020-09-25T16:29:52+00:00

Carlos the Argie

Roar Guru


How many Copa America has Argentina won since? Making it to the finals doesn't count. Even in the World Cup, they made it to two finals but have not won anything. Messi is an exception, as was Maradona, Pele, Cristiano, etc. Argentina's first division, like Brazil's, is a joke. Comparing it to the Dutch is crazy. But maybe to Ukraine. C'mon, give me a break!

2020-09-25T13:29:23+00:00

Steve 50

Roar Rookie


They have done well Carlos the argie. For a start Soccer is way more competitive than when Argentina last won World Cup in 1986… heaps more good teams now.. No national teams of any nations have gone backwards since all there best players started playing in Europe. How has Messi development been harmed playing for Barcelona as opposed to playing for like River Plate/or Boca? Has Portuguese soccer gone backwards since Ronaldo left for Man United/Real Madrid/Juventus? Um no, they won Euro 2016.. And Argentina made World Cup 2014 final and runner up.. They might have won if Angel De Maria wasn’t injured for the final.. Argentina/Brazil still have one of the strongest 1st divisions in the world similar standard to Dutch/Portuguese/Ukraine first divisions…

2020-09-25T09:43:31+00:00

Nobrain

Roar Guru


It is true.

2020-09-25T03:56:01+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


In every possible way

2020-09-25T03:50:07+00:00

Carlos the Argie

Roar Guru


I just heard that Cheika is helping to coach the Pumas. Don’t know anything else. Ledesma and him are close, but this is odd. Oh well, it’s posted officially everywhere now.

2020-09-25T02:23:36+00:00

Busted Fullback

Roar Rookie


G'day Brett, Not sure if anyone else has suggested this but... Argentina may find itself as one of the less forceful unions, like the PI's, and have their players signing French contracts, for example, that don't allow for international selection, otherwise contract cancellation. Plenty of quality players playing in Europe that National unions and international competition never see. That is , of course, if the European clubs are still solvent. Actually, after Covid abates, I expect those clubs to increase their "raiding" activity in the hope that higher profile players bring increased club memberships and more spectators to the ground in order to make up for lost "Covid Dollars".

2020-09-24T23:10:57+00:00

Busted Fullback

Roar Rookie


The $6M man needs a Pay Day? I know the players have taken cuts. They are still being paid a lot better than most. And don't tell me they've got to earn over a short career. They'll get other job offers once playing is behind them. The $6M man needs a Pay Day?

2020-09-24T21:02:02+00:00

JD Kiwi

Roar Rookie


How many of the extra teams since 99 have got through the pool stage? Zero. Just accept it, the Pacific Islands teams have done worse since their players started playing in Europe instead Australia and New Zealand. I do though agree and have said before that Australia and New Zealand haven't done enough for the Pacific Islands nations in the Pro era. At least New Zealand are trying to do something about that at Super level now, the Aussies had a Fijian team in the NRC and it was only Northern Hemisphere administrators who blocked the nations championship with Fijian participation. Europe with its long seasons and refusal to release players for camps is a terrible place to prepare for a world cup. That's when the clubs actually let the players go to the world cup. https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/rugby-world-cup/rwc-2019-japan/113489285/samoa-tonga-players-pressured-by-french-clubs-to-miss-rugby-world-cup

2020-09-24T20:34:36+00:00

Ad-O

Guest


Its a scientifically proven fact by now..

2020-09-24T17:59:14+00:00

Carlos the Argie

Roar Guru


"I am shocked that there is gambling in this establishment!" Change gambling for corruption and you have it said by the same accent.

2020-09-24T17:11:49+00:00


So your opinion is the only one that counts?

2020-09-24T16:42:10+00:00

Ad-O

Guest


How are French clubs damaging Rugby?

2020-09-24T16:37:10+00:00

Ad-O

Guest


South Park is streets ahead of The Simpsons and has been for 20 years. Too bad you haven't kept up.

2020-09-24T16:26:19+00:00

Carlos the Argie

Roar Guru


To quote a famous referee from Wales: "This is not soccer!" By the way, how has Argentine soccer done since all their players from the national team play abroad?

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