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Agree Sheek, the game in OZ needs more unity and grassroots needs a revamp big time . That’s whole problem with OZ rugby , it’s Wallaby driven now as the only team. We ain’t NZ which is AB’s focused as only profit driver. We have tried to copy NZ but it doesn’t work in Oz a centralised model based just around the national team. A domestic comp will need investors for sure from somewhere

The Wrap: Is Australian rugby setting itself up to sink or swim?

Companies or rich individual owners . Eg like Japan where companies own teams . Or in Germany where red bull own a soccer team. You have twiggy in Perth that’s one. You only need to find nine more on planet earth . Soccer AFL nrl nbl basketball all have found private owners in Oz , what makes you think rugby can’t find ten owners Geoff ?

The Wrap: Is Australian rugby setting itself up to sink or swim?

Yet NZR told Aussies only three teams and you say my model is delusional .

The Wrap: Is Australian rugby setting itself up to sink or swim?

I want negotiations done in public I’m nosey and disagree with you that it Should be behind close doors

Life of Hamish: We should recognise what McLennan has done for Australian rugby

You are like Fiji , you have the depth but you don’t have big money to have a sustainable full time pro kiwi only domestic comp. You only have one team the AB’s that make any cash, Aussies can go it alone , NZ can’t . All your players will be playing in Europe soon and AB’s like Fiji will pick players at foreign clubs . Your small fry

The Wrap: Is Australian rugby setting itself up to sink or swim?

It’s rubbish though I don’t like SR either

The Wrap: Is Australian rugby setting itself up to sink or swim?

Twelve team privately owned comp with private owners lots of imports and ten Aussie team and two kiwi teams and we scrap centralisation in both nations and go down soccer model . And we develop relations with European rugby clubs and most of our best play in Europe . Brazil and Argentina soccer 1st division is still strong even though it’s not as strong as big European leagues. What’s wrong if we still a strong rugby comp but not as strong as Europe domestic rugby ? Still can have passionate fan bases. Super rugby is boring No tribalism

The Wrap: Is Australian rugby setting itself up to sink or swim?

What’s wrong with RA being bullish and making clear they are the big dog now they have world cups and Olympics and comm games next ten yrs. Why shouldn’t RA put NZR in there place and make it clear RA are the bigger brother and deserve greater share of media rights$.

The Wrap: Is Australian rugby setting itself up to sink or swim?

I like his style jeznez, and I support him booting nz if need be. So I’m in disagreement with you

The Wrap: Is Australian rugby setting itself up to sink or swim?

Wrong , we don’t need Nz. And NZR know it. We are the bigger nation you are the smaller one. It’s time to reestablish who is boss. We can poach all your players and you can play in our comp . It’s time big brother told little brother what to do and start showing who is boss.

The Wrap: Is Australian rugby setting itself up to sink or swim?

Australian rugby doesn’t need NZ or more specifically we don’t need NZR. Heck I will assertively say this, we can be the nrl and the big boys eg ten Aussie teams all privately owned and one or two kiwi teams at the most eg like the NRL. And lots of foreign imports and kiwi players playing in an Aussie owned domestic comp. NZR only have AB’s as as bargaining power(we only play them now twice a yr). NZR needs Australia more than we need them. NZ rugby can’t survive just haveing NPC, and they know if Aust rugby quits SR, then NZR centralisation will collapse and the AB’s will be like Fiji eg all there best playing for European clubs .
And who cares Geoff if NZ becomes like South American soccer? Where all there best players play for overseas clubs , and turn up at World Cup and Copa America .

NZR need to respect that RA and Hamish are the big bosses and all grown up now and rightfully as the bigger financial sports market that is Australia, we will now be telling NZR what to do. Finally we have a leader like Hamish who has awoken to Aussie rugby potential that we are the bigger partner and we don’t have to take orders from smaller NZR, we give NZR the orders which is how it should be as we bigger . And all nz best like in nrl can play in our domestic comp. NZR need to realise where they stand on the food chain, and RA under Hamish leadership have worked out that RA are the big boys and the boss and NZR are the smaller brother and will not tell the bigger brother what to do, we have the bigger chest and bigger biceps when we flex. Wake up NZR we got the bigger everything . Chest beating shirt pulling , and NZR know RA now have the cards and don’t need em.

The Wrap: Is Australian rugby setting itself up to sink or swim?

A weak NPC that makes no money, you really think it will be able to afford the best AB’s playing in it and mid range AB’s? Dream on, the NPC will only be a semi pro comp under any model . The fact you think Dan carter type players would stay for 150k to play NPC year in yr out in the future is laughable

'Hamish has thrown a hand grenade' - Turinui backs RA 'tribalism' but Horan fears impact of cutting ties with NZ

Then all the money hungry star players will leave to go overseas. But hay that doesn’t bother you. It bothers me, I want pay tv . Boo hoo , enjoy your inferior entertainment product with inferior players. You are easily entertained

'Hamish has thrown a hand grenade' - Turinui backs RA 'tribalism' but Horan fears impact of cutting ties with NZ

And you think nz can keep its best in a nz only super rugby comp? Dreams are for free

'Hamish has thrown a hand grenade' - Turinui backs RA 'tribalism' but Horan fears impact of cutting ties with NZ

Exactly it’s all about national team being only source of revenue . I want private owners and lots of imports not centralisation

'Hamish has thrown a hand grenade' - Turinui backs RA 'tribalism' but Horan fears impact of cutting ties with NZ

Yet you wanna pay super star players big money but oppose pay tv deals.

'Hamish has thrown a hand grenade' - Turinui backs RA 'tribalism' but Horan fears impact of cutting ties with NZ

Super rugby is just a National team trial comp not a club glory money making comp. No tribalism in Oz as national team trial has no appeal to Oz rugby fans, yet you think staying in a centralised all about the wallabies is best for Oz rugby.
Super rugby has never made money in Oz and never will

'Hamish has thrown a hand grenade' - Turinui backs RA 'tribalism' but Horan fears impact of cutting ties with NZ

Brett Gosper has quit rugby

'Hamish has thrown a hand grenade' - Turinui backs RA 'tribalism' but Horan fears impact of cutting ties with NZ

Sick of super rugby no tribalism all about the wallabies. Super rugby is like Sheffield shield cricket just a national team trial eg no fans care about it .
We need to be like French rugby eg imports and private owners . Scrap Gits law scrap centralisation , less wallaby tests per yr, scrap central contracts .
And be more like Aussie soccer eg have our best team only turn up for the big games and World Cup.
Centralisation and our rugby relationship with NZ, has been a financial disaster for OZ rugby

'Hamish has thrown a hand grenade' - Turinui backs RA 'tribalism' but Horan fears impact of cutting ties with NZ

Darren Coleman focus Is still to help the wallabies eg he’s blocked by how many imports he can sign. When he was coaching in LA, he signed more imports and wasn’t obligated to help USA national team.

League One final gives pause for thought about Japanese links to Super Rugby

Europe and Japan is where it’s at. We need to have the England and French model eg club glory no 1 for the club/private owners lots of foreign imports/tribalism etc, super rugby franchises not obligated to help the national team. So sick of this centralised Wallaby first business model. It reduced super rugby to a wallaby tribal. Yet RA cry and some wallaby fans cry about no passion or tribalism in super rugby or no crowds. You can’t have it both ways. Sheffield shield works being a national team trial as it makes no money . Super rugby needs to ditch the national team first model and look like French rugby if you want the passion like we saw in La Rochelle. And yes scrap Gits law and pick Aussies from anywhere. Rory Arnold Skelton(in form on weekend), Quade Kerevi. Oh but no, RA only allowing 3 Gits law guys. Give up on the centralised wallaby model RA, otherwise stop crying about no passion in Aussie super rugby fans if you aren’t willing to be like French or English rugby(clubs not obligated to care about national teams).

League One final gives pause for thought about Japanese links to Super Rugby

He’s eligible to play for Tonga at RWC 2027 if he wants!!!

'I'd love a break from Super Rugby': Taniela declares his hand while Rennie gives update on Wallaby star's future

Agree

There is no need to replace Arnold for World Cup playoffs

The fact you think Bert did a good job at Russia 2018 makes me thing are you aware your in the minority ?
You think his tactics were good , you are in the minority who did

There is no need to replace Arnold for World Cup playoffs

Sense is not your common point.

No coach in the world can suddenly develop there systems and cohesion on the back of one week training camp then a do or die play off.. But hay you think that’s possible under your thought bubble of professional footballers can just adapt or cohesions and new systems like that . It doesn’t work like that it needs time . You are showing a desperate times desperate measures attitude with high level risk taking, rather than keep Arnold. Arnold has a better chance than winning in June than your nothing to lose high risk brow of installing a new coach without any time to develop his systems or cohesion . Talk about desperate tactics by you.

There is no need to replace Arnold for World Cup playoffs

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