AFL trades: Future clear for Hogan and Brown, not so Treloar

By Josh / Expert

As the opening of the 2020 AFL trade period nears, the future has gotten clearer for some of the biggest names on the market, but remains murky for others.

Jesse Hogan has been the source of much speculation in recent weeks as Fremantle put his name up for trade despite the ex-Demon being contracted for another year at the Dockers.

We now know however that he will be playing for the GWS Giants in 2021, as both clubs confirmed on Monday that they had reached an agreement for Hogan to move to Sydney.

The exact details of the trade aren’t clear, but it appears the Dockers and Giants have the deal all but done and it wouldn’t surprise if it’s the first move made when trading opens on Wednesday.

WA journo Ryan Daniels – who was the first to speculate that Hogan might be on the move – has reported that Fremantle won’t be paying any of Hogan’s salary at GWS.

Instead Hogan’s contract will be effectively torn up and he is signing a two-year deal with the Giants (with a trigger for a third) that is heavily incentive-based.

While Fremantle will get Hogan’s salary off the books, they’re not expected to receive much in terms of trade capital – it may be as late as a third-round draft pick, where GWS currently hold picks 43 and 51.

Whatever the deal, it is certain to be a significant loss on the picks 6 and 23 that the Dockers paid to recruit Hogan two years ago, which were eventually used to draft Ben King and Tom Sparrow. Fremantle received pick 65 along with Hogan, which became Brett Bewley.

Jesse Hogan is headed east. (Photo by Will Russell/AFL Photos/via Getty Images )

As such it strikes me as an odd deal move by the Dockers. They don’t seem to have much to lose by keeping Hogan, who played the last four games of the year and kicked four goals in Round 17.

The cap space is no doubt part of the appeal but one would assume, or perhaps hope, that a young team list like Fremantle’s isn’t facing a cap crunch either way. They haven’t been linked to any big-money acquisitions either.

Instead it seems more that Fremantle just don’t feel Hogan is part of their future – and, having made that decision, would rather move him on now and get a clean break than deal with the distraction of further speculation in 2021.

That may prove wise, but it also puts the Giants in the enviable position of having little to lose and everything to gain. They won’t lose much in money or draft picks but could get plenty of good footy out of 25-year-old Hogan.

History would suggest that players traded for late draft picks are more unlikely than likely to turn into winners, but Hogan is a player who has already shown elite form at AFL level and appears to have his body right. Perhaps the change of location will help him get back on track.

A key forward set to make a much smaller move distance-wise than Hogan’s journey from WA to NSW is Ben Brown, who has now formally requested a trade from North Melbourne to Melbourne.

The speculation from most is that it will be a fairly straightforward trade, with most in the media coming to a consensus that the Demons’ pick 25 should get it done.

If you want to know what I – as a North Melbourne fan – think of that, suffice to say my response would include words not pleasant enough to be printed here on The Roar.

But from the Dees’ perspective it looks like it could be a massive win. A mature key forward is arguably their biggest need – Brown will kick plenty of goals there and should also make it easier for Sam Weideman and Luke Jackson to continue their development.

(Michael Dodge/Getty Images)

I’d liken North’s negotiation tactics here to that of Homer Simpson selling Lurleen Lumpkin: “Before we negotiate, I have to tell you I’m desperate to unload Ben Brown, and I’ll accept any offer.”

Another club that seems to be putting themselves in the same position is Collingwood, whose already ugly separation with Adam Treloar grew moreso on Monday following some exchanges in the media.

Sam Edmund reported that Nathan Buckley had told Treloar in a phone conversation that “the senior core of the group didn’t want him around anymore”, and the news did not escape the Collingwood coach’s notice.

Buckley Tweeted that those words were “news to him”, and wrote “The constant rumour and innuendo is disrespectful to Adam, the club and our supporters.”

It’s the first time that anyone speaking on behalf of Collingwood has acknowledged the ongoing Treloar saga, the outcome of which remains as unclear as any narrative in the 2020 trade period.

While many Collingwood fans are glad to finally hear someone from the club fire back at the rumour and speculation, suffice to say that a trade played out on Twitter rarely enhances the reputations of those doing the talking.

We’ve seen footy clubs and journos find themselves at loggerheads during a trade period before and I have no doubt we’ll see it many times again.

I’m not here to tell you who’s right and wrong – I don’t know myself and as is always the case at this time of year, the exact source of the news is likely to remain clandestine.

What I will say is this: fans are often sceptical of footy journos, but they should be just as sceptical of news told to them by their footy clubs.

Journos want to sell papers and clubs want to sell memberships, the big difference is clubs do so by telling fans what they want to hear (which is easier to believe) and journos often don’t.

There’s enough examples of poor or lazy media work out there that any and all reports should be taken with a grain of salt. Just be sure to exercise the same caution when it comes to club statements – especially at this time of year.

In terms of a wider view on the Treloar saga, I thought this piece from Roarer Peter the Scribe summed up well the quizzical and poorly communicated situation that has developed.

Although Treloar wants to say at Collingwood it seems hard to believe that will happen – but the question of where he might wind up is equally difficult to puzzle out.

Tom Browne reported on Monday that Collingwood will likely need to pay part of Treloar’s salary and accept a second-round pick as the cost of moving him on – an attractive proposition for rival clubs.

But it’s said that if Treloar moves he wants to join a Victorian club in the premiership window, and there’s not many who fit that bill that would also have room to take on his contract at short notice.

For mine, St Kilda is the best fit. While arguably not yet at ‘premiership window’ status, they’re an up-and-coming team who are known to have money to spend.

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They’ve made clear their desire to seek out A-grade talent for their midfield and Treloar is that, or at least as close to that as you’ll find on the market in 2020.

The only question there is whether they can or should bring him in alongside Brad Crouch, whose free agency offer is yet to receive a response from the Adelaide Crows.

How it will all play out we don’t yet know – but it appears certain that we are in for a dramatic trade period.

The Crowd Says:

2020-11-09T07:58:59+00:00

Maxy

Roar Rookie


I remember back in the Geelong and hawthorn era of dominance Richie all the talk back then was players taking pay cuts to keep the list together,how things have changed in such a short period of time. I understand there is more money to go around these days but times are changing. Would love to know the tigers model on payments the last few years,they are the trail blazers atm...some clubs seem to be going the basketball model lately,franchise player millions others are just minions.

2020-11-09T04:50:19+00:00

RT

Roar Rookie


Salary cap might be an issue with 2 x $1million players already. I guess if Collingwood pay a big chunk...

2020-11-07T12:37:39+00:00

peter chrisp

Guest


Treloar on his way to St. Kilda?

2020-11-04T01:09:42+00:00

Kane

Roar Rookie


If he does leave I'm interested in what pick it costs and how much of his contract Collingwood will have to pay each year. Something has of had to have gone wrong for them to be wanting to get rid of him so badly

2020-11-03T23:49:49+00:00

Peter the Scribe

Roar Guru


Kane, I think even Buckleys Tweet showed the club is trying to trade him as he mentioned the club will continue to deal with Treloar and his management “sensitively”. If they had no interest in trading him Buckley could have humiliated Sam Edmund by Tweeting “Adam Treloar is a highly required and valued player contracted until 2025 and we have not or will not be discussing trading him to any club”. Bang. Story ends. They didn’t though and what is really interesting is if Treloar stands his ground and says he is not going anywhere the club will be left with their tails behind their legs. They can’t make the player go and it is discrimination to say his family situation precludes him playing at the club unless Treloar can’t make his training commitments. FWIW I believe Adam Treloar will end up at the Bulldogs and I can guarantee you right now he will be best on ground when the Pies play the Doggies next year.

2020-11-03T23:28:31+00:00

Philby

Guest


Agreed. Especially when you consider that Bombers are asking for a first round pick for Fantasia. Both players, big on promise, have yet to deliver. Second round pick for each player, in my view.

2020-11-03T23:19:42+00:00

Philby

Guest


I wonder if the Tigers would consider bringing in Treloar (who chose the Pies over them when trading from GWS) in exchange for pick 21? I know some might say that pick 21 is not enough, but the Pies are the ones who want to get rid of him. It could be a gamble bringing him in, as our midfield stocks are pretty good, but it would be a typically daring move.

2020-11-03T23:07:32+00:00

Kane

Roar Rookie


Eddie said this morning that no one from the club will be commenting on the Adam Treloar situation until after trade week is finished Pete, the media might be right on a few points here. It's obvious that they are trying to get rid of him otherwise he would have given Treloar his full backing.

2020-11-03T22:07:08+00:00

Russ

Roar Rookie


I saw the Dons recent request from Power for Orazio - Wines, Butters, Duursma etc - he must be pulling the p!@# I wish the Blues and the Power all the best in dealings with him.

2020-11-03T22:04:27+00:00

Maxy

Roar Rookie


After seeing your post Don I immediately rushed down to place a bet at my local TAB on Fremantle winning the premiership in 2021.Was even more delighted after placing my bet of $1000 the odds are 50/1.Looks like I have hit the Jackpot here

2020-11-03T19:35:55+00:00

Peter the Scribe

Roar Guru


Saad is a gun Col. I believe you will be getting Essendons best player.

2020-11-03T19:34:14+00:00

Peter the Scribe

Roar Guru


Harsh Robbie, harsh.

2020-11-03T19:33:39+00:00

Peter the Scribe

Roar Guru


Boo, you just feel this is all bluff and bluster and ultimately Cameron will be fishing with Danger over summer.

2020-11-03T19:31:42+00:00

Peter the Scribe

Roar Guru


Macca, what are the rules on banking space? How many years can a club pay under the cap and accumulate extra spending?

2020-11-03T12:52:12+00:00

Col from Brissie

Roar Guru


Well then let it happen I hope. You can keep a player who doesn’t want to be there and pay him what contract money & length he wants. I personally don’t care if we don’t get Saad for just pick 9 and nothing back. We can use it to draft another young talent. Even better if he goes into the PSD & North Melbourne pick him up & Essendon get nothing.

2020-11-03T11:46:51+00:00

2dogz

Roar Rookie


The whole system is broke if that’s the case.a fair deal should be made, otherwise none of the other clubs will want to deal with the Bombers in the future.

2020-11-03T11:15:41+00:00

Charlie Keegan

Roar Guru


If he decides to go through the preseason draft Carlton definitely don’t get him. Cos the bombers will force him into a contract or the blues will be pushed into exceptionally onerous salaries

2020-11-03T10:25:50+00:00

Kane

Roar Rookie


I hope GWS demand an early first round pick for Caldwell, make Dodoro dance around a bit. He needs a good boot up the clacker.

2020-11-03T10:21:28+00:00

Kane

Roar Rookie


I hope not for Paddy's sake, another good head knock and god knows what could happen to him.

2020-11-03T09:27:24+00:00

Col from Brissie

Roar Guru


How do they force him to sit out the year? If he goes into the PSD clubs before Essendon might pick him if they agree to his contract demands. If Essendon pick him in the PSD then they have to agree to his demands.

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