Why are we bashing Carlton again?

By Liam / Roar Rookie

This season, we’ve played five rounds.

We’ve seen a number of rather embarrassing defeats by teams that were considered promising prior to the season. We’ve seen St Kilda lose by 80 points twice. We’ve seen Essendon be unexpectedly promising. We’ve seen West Coast, Fremantle, Adelaide and Brisbane struggle away while being dominant at home. The premiers have lost two games, one of which was the game of the year.

It’s five rounds in, and we’re well into the thick of things. At least, that would be the interpretation you’d be taking, were you consuming the media.

For this year, the AFL media has been the loudest it has ever been. It has been at its most abrasive and its most pervasive. There are increasingly newer and fresher hot takes each and every week. In the absence of footy in Melbourne last year, it seems as though the city and the press established there has gone footy mad.

Now, to the point of this article.

Carlton sit with a 2-3 record. They’ve beaten Fremantle at home and Gold Coast away. They lost to Richmond in Round 1, Collingwood in Round 2, and Port Adelaide (at home) in Round 5. In all of these games except for Fremantle, Carlton have gone in as underdogs in both the tipping and the betting markets. People didn’t think they’d win these games.

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In the games they’ve lost, only the Collingwood result sits uneasily. Collingwood have their only win for the season against the Blues, and thus it should be disappointing that they lost that game.

However, Richmond have won three flags in four years, and are eager to grab another while the going’s good. Port Adelaide came first last season, and have started this year precisely as they finished the last, if not a little better. They are more clinical.

Given this, I am intrigued to note the veritable cavalcade of derision, scorn and negative press assailing Carlton in the wake of their loss to Port. They won any number of statistical categories, but couldn’t put it on the scoreboard.

That happens when you come up against a flag contending side. The majority declined to pick them, and it was the third smallest margin in the round. But for a single point, it would’ve been the second smallest margin for the round.

Carlton’s losses have come against three teams that made finals last year (including two of the best) and Carlton were not believed to be able to win any of them by the majority. Contrast their record concerning opposition with Melbourne’s – the Demons have played Fremantle, St Kilda, GWS, Geelong and Hawthorn – and you see a team that has taken on two finalists from last season, one of which was from the top four.

Why are they so criticised? The sword falls on them over a team mooted to take the next step and be a top-four side this year in St Kilda. Why are they more criticised than Hawthorn, when Carlton only a few years ago were widely panned for being old and awful? Why are they more criticised than Brisbane and West Coast, who were both considered flag contenders yet still seem to struggle away from home?

People mention the failed rebuild, 20 years of irrelevance, poor development, Paddy Dow, Lochie O’Brien and Stephen Silvagni. It is he said, she said, replicated ad infinitum across the innumerable talkback radio stations, splattered across the pages of newspapers along the southeastern seaboard, filling the free-to-air and the pay-for-view television sets.

There are many supposed voices expressing their concern, proffering their expert opinion. Remind me, how many teams have Kane Cornes, Matty Lloyd, Caroline Wilson, Mark Robinson, Damian Barrett and David King coached in their time? How much time have they spent in AFL development roles or list management departments?

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However, there is something painfully obvious about this. The media have put this kind of pressure on Carlton before. They did it in 2012, and saw Brett Ratten removed after a poor loss to the Gold Coast. They did it when Mick Malthouse made his own bed in 2015. They did it in 2019, when Brendon Bolton’s Carlton lost to Essendon.

The media know that Carlton can and does bow to public pressure. Organisationally, Carlton is built on uneasy foundations. Its internal politics are precarious. It takes only the slightest of tipping points to unseat a board member, change the status quo within the board, or remove a coach or a CEO or a list manager. And people don’t leave Carlton happy or content with their time there.

Or, at least, they used to leave malcontented. It seemed to be getting better under Mark LoGiudice. He established the right structures for list management, board appointments, coaching and rehabilitation. They seemed to be making the right choices, painstakingly and patiently.

Under Steven Trigg and Cain Liddle, Carlton’s identity was remoulded, and shaped into something altogether more interesting and more substantial. Under Bolton and Silvagni, the team began to grow, to learn, to endure and to overcome. Every now and then, you’d see what they could do. Results against the Western Bulldogs over the past few years are a testament to that.

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And so we return to this week, and to Carlton’s loss to Port Adelaide.

Carlton have started as underdogs in four of their five games. According to the common ledger, Carlton should be 1-4. Their largest loss this year has come at the hands of Port by 28 points.

In the same season, St Kilda have lost twice by 75 and 86 points respectively. The second loss was against a resurgent and determined Richmond with something to prove when coming off a five-day break. But the first was against Essendon, a team widely thought to be rebuilding.

Brisbane, who were in the top four last year, lost by 31 points in Round 1, won by one point in Round 2 against Geelong, won by one point in Round 3 against Collingwood, lost by 19 points to the Western Bulldogs in Round 4, and won emphatically at home against Essendon. They were precisely four points away from a 1-4 record. West Coast have not won a game away, losing to St Kilda and the Western Bulldogs.

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Simply put, there should be more than the ubiquitous headlines and conversation concerning Carlton. There are more stories to tell, more individual and team achievements to write about and to celebrate or analyse. This is not to say that the media have some agenda or purpose to what they’re doing, because such is the stuff of conspiracy theory. What I am saying is that the current outpouring of negativity is at odds with where the establishment seemed to think Carlton sat, both in the pre-season and at the moment.

Most thought they would fail to make the eight, and most thought they would lose to Gold Coast away. Even the most constant of Carlton supporters would’ve been tipping with their heart instead of their head to pick Carlton over Port or Richmond.

We’re only five rounds in, yet there’s calls for coach changes and second (or third, it’s difficult to keep track sometimes) rebuilds.

Perhaps the media needs to jump down from the carousel for a bit, walk away from the lights and the glamour, the screaming of the crowd and the fans, and to take a bit of a breath.

They seem to be getting carried away with their own enthusiasm.

The Crowd Says:

2021-04-23T03:17:59+00:00

DingoGray

Roar Guru


Big Clubs like Carlton and Essendon should be embarrassed right now. With all the resources and following they have they've played second fiddle to the poor Cousins The Doggies, Kangas and St Kilda the last however many years. I do love the Kool Aid drinking supporters though jumping to the defence.

2021-04-23T01:48:17+00:00

Chief Keeffe

Roar Rookie


That's the whole point though. Many years into the repeated rebuild and they're still an outside chance of finals and still going into games against Gold Coast as underdogs. The writer saying 'why isn't the pressure on Brisbane instead' is missing the fact that they've been top four the last two years. They've at least done something. This was supposed to be the year, at last, that Carlton did something. I bought into it too. But no. Once again, they're an 11th - 15th type team. And that's why they'll get panned, and rightly so.

2021-04-22T13:57:11+00:00

nics

Roar Rookie


That's the beauty of sport isn't it? Only one winner each year and the rest of the teams have to hold out until the next time they play.

2021-04-22T10:59:41+00:00

Don Freo

Roar Rookie


Taylin Duman wins contested ball, plays half back and is tall. Waiting for a spot at Freo. We're prepared to let him go for Darling who only has 3-5 years left.

2021-04-22T10:26:38+00:00

Chanon

Roar Rookie


That’s a no brainer Nics of course flags are worth more it’s the pinnacle!

2021-04-22T09:04:01+00:00

nics

Roar Rookie


Flags are worth more overall I think. 4 > 2

2021-04-22T09:03:00+00:00

nics

Roar Rookie


Please, the Eagles will trade for either another tall or a half-back flanker. This is the way. Who needs contested ball-winners (sarcasm)?

2021-04-22T07:21:21+00:00

Mark

Guest


I've been saying this since Saturday. Why isn't the media turning the blowtorch on the more highly rated teams. Carlton were an outside chance of finals this year. Our average loss rating is 24 points. But fellow "supporters" have been bagging everyone from the bootstudder to the CEO for our losses. And the media... turning out whole cloth from hyperbole. Everything that they can stick their boot into, they are. And the muppet Carlton supporters who believe that shite, swallow it up like it's the finest cuts of meat.

2021-04-22T06:52:25+00:00

Macca

Roar Rookie


Fisher has 65 games under his belt and has played if not injured since his debut. Silvagni has 66 and would have more if not for injury issues recently. They aren’t inexperienced kids and both are best 22 IMO and as I said make a massive difference compared to the player they would replace. An honest foot soldier in the back half would be quite handy for the BLues right now. But even if we are just left with TDK replacing Casboult, Curnow replacing Eddie and Martin replacing Gibbons we would look much more likely to capitalise on our inside 50’s (we are currently plus 3.6 in inside 50 differential)

2021-04-22T06:20:38+00:00

Pumping Dougie

Roar Guru


The point is Macca, Newman is the only one of those three who has established himself at AFL level, and Newman is just an honest foot soldier. So if Carlton are relying upon these level of quality players to come back into the team and make a big difference to competitiveness against the top 8 sides, then they’re in a fair bit of trouble. I just don’t think they are names worthy of mentioning, in terms of excuses or explanation for team performance – not in the scheme of things. But Martin and TDK will definitely help.

2021-04-22T04:51:03+00:00

Macca

Roar Rookie


PD - if you look at what Silvagni brings to the team compared to McGovern the difference is enormous. Similarly if we replaced Murphy with Fisher at half forward, Fisher is averaging 18 possession to Murphy's 14.8 but 8 contested possession to 3.8. As for Newman he may not be an A grade player but if we replaced Williamson with him?

2021-04-22T04:43:55+00:00

chris

Guest


A 'nice' team, with a 'nice' coach, wearing orange socks aint going to do squat in finals, should they ever reach one. There's just no hardness, no edge to this group of players compared to regularly finals teams. And the skills are still deplorable. Development of all the top draft picks has seen most go backwards the minute they step in the door. Sam walsh get out before they ruin you too.

2021-04-22T03:07:24+00:00

John

Guest


The media know Carlton have a large and loud supporter page, writing about the blues will create noise and clicks which leads to revenue..

2021-04-22T02:23:01+00:00

Pumping Dougie

Roar Guru


Did you mean Jack Martin? Granted, he's a reasonable player. Or perhaps you think Fisher, Newman and Silvagni are Carlton's saviours. Maybe read the thrust of the comment properly, before commenting. :happy:

2021-04-21T23:37:39+00:00

fractal pixie

Guest


Put them on the Kevin Stock protocol Lol. Beef, salt, and water.

2021-04-21T14:12:20+00:00

Blitz

Guest


Somewhat agree Adrian! The media have their fingers across all clubs, but let’s not ignore the fact that they have a significant, distinct, unique, and proven methodology to control the mainstream rhetoric and therefore sway public, seemingly at will.

2021-04-21T14:10:09+00:00

okapiman

Roar Rookie


Pete, well said. Why the scribes attack Carlton - it is simple Carlton states and builds itself up to be a real finals contender - it talks about rebuild and plan and the results according to Carlton should be NOW. Each year Carlton however demonstrates itself to be mediocrity at best. Teague looks like he couldn't lead a horse to water. His press conferences demonstrate a nice fellow that is relatively insipid. He has the gravitas of a potato. The Teague train will not win a premiership, it may not even win a final. The Teague train by virtue of a strong list should make finals. Cripps or Weitering alone is close to 20 premiership points per season. If they do not make finals they should change trains forthwith.

2021-04-21T14:03:52+00:00

Kafka

Guest


Take Selwood and Dangerfield out of Geelong and they would sink to the wooden spoon. It's a fine line my friend.

2021-04-21T13:01:35+00:00

Pumping Dougie

Roar Guru


Put it this way, if those guys were traded to another top eight club, I don't think any of them would be an automatic selection. Castagna and Broad both play their role well at Richmond within a highly disciplined team approach, but neither of them would be rated highly at another club. But good luck to them - they can thank Dusty for their medals and elevation. :happy:

2021-04-21T12:47:29+00:00

Macca

Roar Rookie


Cerra I think, longer term investment and fits better into our age profile, although a less known entity so a bit riskier

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