The Thursday rugby two-up: Lions deciders and Bledisloe blues

By Brett McKay / Expert

Lock us in for a Lions series decider!

Saturday’s second Test was exactly the result Harry and all Springbok fans wanted, and now we’re all set for a ripping winner-takes-all third Test this weekend coming. I’m not sure how many of us were thinking that would be the case a fortnight ago, but here we are.

So, let me put this out there: what chance a second successive drawn Lions series?

And on this other side of the SANZAAR pond, all attention now turns to the first match of the Bledisloe Cup series.

We do now know the second match will be played back at Eden Park in Auckland again, but such is the way of the world down our way at the moment, I don’t think we can assume the schedule is set in anything close to stone.

And suddenly, The Rugby Championship isn’t far away. Seriously, where has the year gone?

Question 1: The first Bledisloe Cup Test is upon us, and there’s a real anticipation on both sides of the ditch. How do either the Wallabies or All Blacks get it done in Auckland? Pick a team and discuss…

Can the Wallabies get the chocolates at Eden Park? (Photo by Albert Perez/Getty Images)

Geoff
What a weird week. I can’t recall a Bledisloe Cup match in recent history where the focus of Australian and New Zealand rugby fans in the lead-up has been so sharply directed elsewhere. Thankfully, come Saturday afternoon, normal world order will be returned.

The All Blacks get the job done in the same way they always get it done against Australia. A stronger pack, winning the collision area, a skill advantage across the park, imparting pressure on the Wallabies, feeding off mistakes and punishing them with precision finishing.

The Wallabies get the job done in the same way they always get it done against New Zealand. Dominating possession, dictating the flow of the game, recycling quickly, drawing cheap penalties, opening up try scoring opportunities on the quick break.

And on the other side of the ball, frustrating the All Blacks by shutting down their usual routes to the try-line through minimising errors and totally committed defence.

Brett
It’s going to be fantastic to see the Wallabies in action again, and it sure does feel like a lot longer than just three weeks since they last played. And I can’t even claim lockdown muddled my thinking.

Maybe it’s lingering Pfizer fog.

Set piece is going to be crucial for the Wallabies, and like a few of us have discussed over the last few days, it does feel like there are some opportunities for this Wallabies pack.

Not for imminent dominance, and obviously no-one is saying that, but it does feel like the All Black pack has come back to the field a bit, while the Wallabies eight looks much improved and much more disciplined as a unit.

James Slipper in action against France (Photo by Daniel Pockett/Getty Images)

So, I think the Wallabies need to roll up the sleeves much like they did in the final Test against France, and just keep banging away up the middle.

Some ill-discipline within the squad will simplify the backrow headache that was growing around the selection table, but the need to play pretty tight remains.

That’s the way it’s got to be. If the Wallabies play like they did in the second French Test and spend too much time playing east-west, then that just plays into the All Blacks’ hands.

Digger
In among a whole host of distractions, this game has really crept up on us. Certainly grateful we can in fact get a match underway and I hope both sides will be fizzing to head back out on the park.

Given both sides have had some time away from the park, I suspect the key for both sides will be who can hit the ground running the fastest and get their combinations and cohesion functioning as quickly as possible.

The biggest key for the Wallabies will be the breakdown – if they can stop the All Blacks gaining momentum, they will give themselves a good chance to break their Eden Park blues, especially if the New Zealanders’ discipline is poor.

For the All Blacks, the biggest key will be to dominate territory. If they keep the Wallabies in their own half for the majority of the match, I suspect they will be presented with a number of opportunities to win this match, and win it well.

Harry
A Bledisloe sounds exciting! Neither coach is likely to make a video about three dozen referee errors. But the speed and skill should make up for it.

I’m most interested in how the All Blacks move forward towards 2023, starting with this match.

Specifically, I’m curious about their pack play.

Who is going to provide the hard edge? Is Sam Whitelock playing one too many seasons? Who is the heir apparent to Jerome Kaino and Liam Squire, at 6? And how will they navigate the breakdown?

Question 2: And the Lions Series comes down to decider. Who wins from here, and have you changed your thinking from before the Test Matches started?

Geoff
I’ve definitely changed my thinking about this series, but not the result.

Beforehand, I thought the Boks would prevail by a close margin, and while the loss of Pieter-Steph du Toit and Faf de Klerk are hurtful, they should still have enough class to get the job done.

(Photo by Craig Mercer/MB Media/Getty Images)

That said, the Lions were written off before the third Test last time, in New Zealand, and found something extra.

Their personnel changes are voluntary and strategic rather than forced, and with Dan Biggar’s goal kicking shading Pollard’s at the moment, a win would certainly not surprise.

Where I have changed my thinking, like I suspect many others have, is that I care a whole lot less.

This series has been an experience akin to having a hearty meal at the Coogee Bay Hotel, looking to finish it off with a nice dessert, and discovering that the ice cream tastes like s… something else altogether.

Come Sunday morning our time, the man of the series will either be Rassie Erasmus or Warren Gatland. By midweek, the man of the series badly needs to be either World Rugby Chairman Bill Beaumont, or his CEO, Alan Gilpin.

Brett
I, too, was always thinking the Boks would win 2-1, but I probably wasn’t expecting the Lions to win the First Test.

But then, I also wasn’t expecting South Africa to turn things around so emphatically last weekend, which kind of makes me wonder what’s, ahem… in the water in Cape Town.

The Lions won by playing more rugby in the first Test, but then the Boks came out and played two Tests worth of rugby in the second Test to win it pretty comfortably.

And now both sides are hit by injury and selection anxiety, and I think that means the decider should be pretty damn tight. I think South Africa still claim the series, but I think there’s only a struck match between them.

(Photo by David Rogers/Getty Images)

Digger
So, the Lions turn up in the first Test and ‘out Bok the Boks’ and the Springboks were in a world of trouble, and now the Boks turn up and do their Bokkie thing on the Lions, and now the Lions are in trouble.

And that’s without deep diving into all the challenges and shenanigans whirling around this series.

I have changed my thinking, to a degree.

I did not think the Lions would win playing in an attributional style match and was clearly wrong, however, I still believe the Springboks will win the series despite the absence of Faf.

I simply do not see where the Lions break them apart to take this series and I am willing to bet the third Test will likely play out much the same as the second, a tight tussle, a bit of how’s your father and then the Boks pulling away in the last quarter.

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Harry
Before the series started, I imagined the Springboks would win three relatively close matches. The basis for that was that I think the Boks know who their team is, and at 2, 7, and 10 and in the midfield, they have large advantages.

I underestimated how undercooked the Boks were.

Hence, Test 1. The home team ran out of puff and gave up a comfortable lead.

However, the Lions made a meal of Test 2. And the Boks looked solid.

So, I’m seeing a 2-1 Boks win, built on forward superiority, in a bitingly tense decider.

OVER TO YOU: How will your team do the job in Bledisloe 1?

And who takes the Lions series spoils? And have you changed your mind during the series?

The Crowd Says:

2021-08-08T08:19:02+00:00

mark dembo

Guest


While I bask in the glow of (another) Springbok win, there are a few points to ponder: - the Boks were severely disadvantaged by covid restrictions, lack of game time and practice due to isolation - but still managed to win - the ' social media' war concerning officials was initiated by the sly and wily Gatland but won by Erasmus - the dirty tricks of the game were committed by both sides, despite English protestations However, what I find the most distasteful is the attitude of : "the B&I Lions lost" rather the the "Springboks won" . Where is the sense of fairness and sportsmanship ? Give credit where it is due - those sour grapes have never tasted so bitter to non-Springbok supporters This win asserts the superiority of Southern hemisphere rugby over Northern. Here's looking forward to the Rugby Championship !

2021-08-07T06:05:33+00:00

FunBus

Roar Rookie


I accept all that, Harry, and I’ve never been someone who thinks rugby is all about floppy-haired backs flinging the ball about, and 50-45 score lines. I’m someone who gets more excited by the selection of a pack than the selection of a backline. But, if the Bok-Lions series is ‘where rugby is at’, and international coaches come to the conclusion this is the way to win (complete with 62 minute videos after each test and dog whistle accusations of the nastiest kind) it had better change quickly or we won’t have a rugby to worry about within a decade.

2021-08-07T05:37:54+00:00

FunBus

Roar Rookie


Don’t think there’ll be a Lions in 12 years, Bluesfan. If this tour is the last tour of SA, it’s sad on many levels.

2021-08-06T02:58:00+00:00

DAVEC

Roar Rookie


the only way Australia will win the bedisloe cup is if the all blacks let them for a few years

2021-08-06T01:41:57+00:00

Muzzo

Roar Rookie


Hahaha RT, yeh mate, true. Perhaps the AB coaching team should look at bringing in his old coach Gordon Titch. to install a bit of discipline, Lol. Well after all, Titch did win approx 10 or so World Series titles, & I don't think that happened through being a MR. ' Nice Guy' lol . :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

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2021-08-06T01:08:45+00:00

Brett McKay

Expert


here's the Friday question, gang (which I actually meant to pose yesterday) I know the Crusaders had the four Whitelocks playing together for about 18 months, and they definitely all started games together, but can anyone think of an instance of three brothers all coming off the bench in a a game at the professional level, as the Barretts will tomorrow?

2021-08-05T23:15:33+00:00

Jacko

Roar Rookie


Move on from being so defensive James otherwise it will haunt you for ever.

2021-08-05T23:13:22+00:00

Jacko

Roar Rookie


Thats the funny thing James. He loses no matter what. Even if he wins he loses as this never gets forgotten. It will follow SA rugby for many years in the same way sandpaper follows Aus cricket. Cronje is part of SA cricket. Isreal Folau and RA. It doesnt ever get forgotten and will be written about for a long time like the Underarm constantly raises its head. Its SARU's underarm bowling.

2021-08-05T23:07:29+00:00

jcmasher

Roar Rookie


Not when he got dropped. He was still the best full back around. TBH if He’d said that I’d be less upset, but to be a complete dickhead and say it was because of the way he held the ball is what annoys me the most.

2021-08-05T23:00:32+00:00

Jacko

Roar Rookie


Extremely disappointed rugby supporter.

2021-08-05T14:39:13+00:00

Rugby Tragic

Roar Rookie


Might prevent blowouts but as with the Chiefs, it didn’t win him games. Look at the Chiefs this year… I know tests are a level up again from SR Harry but Gatland I think has coached to long up in the NH and hasn’t moved with changes. Gatland is not like John Hart, Graham Henry, Steve Hansen, Wayne Smith, or Razor Robertson, Tony Brown etc all of whom are innovative.

2021-08-05T14:26:35+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


Yes, I think Gatland's game plan will prevent blowouts (but 0-21 in the 2H of T2 is pretty close to being blown out and you got the feeling if they had kept playing 20:00 it would have been a lot more), but only the AB Method of Beating Boks is reliable. Move-shift-kick-run-mix-it-up and punish Bok errors!

2021-08-05T14:24:58+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


Yes, to blend Gatsism and Geoffism, both of those AB tries came from dropped kick ball (Pollard and Thor, of all people) in the middle of the field, and the ABs got the scraps. But unlike these Lions, the ABs are set up and trained to immediately switch their ferraris on and motor and move and support and finish. SA actually had NZ under a lot of pressure, but it's NZ's ability to capitalise on errors that I think this Lions team lacks.

2021-08-05T14:23:36+00:00

Rugby Tragic

Roar Rookie


Muzzo, Muzzo, Fossy teaching Reiko to be humble??? I’m not sure that either can succeed in that task - that is one teaching and the other learning!

2021-08-05T14:18:55+00:00

Rugby Tragic

Roar Rookie


OTN, since the 1960’s I’ve always considered the Springboks as the greatest challenge to the AB’s. Nothing has changed. The AB’s have always been looking for ways to negate the aggressive defence of the Boks, one of their trademarks (another is always having a reliable kicker!), sometimes they have succeeded, other time last they haven’t but that is the uncertainty of sport that captures our interest.

2021-08-05T14:12:10+00:00

Rugby Tragic

Roar Rookie


Well, let me state that I have always suggested that lasts years “Tri-Nations” and this years RC results should all come with an asterisk. Yes, if holding the games were going to increase the spread of the coronavirus, I’d be more than happy to cancel the tournament for the year.

2021-08-05T14:05:10+00:00

Rugby Tragic

Roar Rookie


I don’t necessarily agree with Gatland Harry. I think it is his view, as he is very conservative in his game plans. I think that also showed up with his first year back as Head Coach of the Chiefs .. and what happened there? With him in charge, the Chiefs who traditionally “have a go”, never won a game; that says something to me. Sure Defence has become tighter but isn’t that the challenge? To try to formulate game plans to breach the defence? In an earlier post you mentioned about the contrast in styles creating excitement and interest. I agree 100% with that. It’s just that when both combatants have the same or similar game plans revolving around ‘safety first’, fear of losing supersedes the thoughts of coming with strategies to win the game, then that causes the spectacle of the game degenerating. That’s my view anyhow for what it’s worth.

2021-08-05T13:33:05+00:00

Kane

Roar Guru


I suspect he's not as heavy as you which begs the question, why aren't you selected?

2021-08-05T13:27:21+00:00

Kane

Roar Guru


But once Cullens speed went what did he have? He didn't have a kicking or passing game, with his speed missing he no longer had a running game. Basically he was missing all the attributes of a world class fullback except a pair of boots.

2021-08-05T12:19:25+00:00

Geoff Parkes

Expert


Perhaps because it doesn't suit his argument, Gatland conveniently omits the fact that when the AB's beat SA in Japan, they may have kicked more, but they also scored two, open running backline tries. It can be done.

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