'How long can this go on?': Talking points from yet another Geelong finals failure

By Stirling Coates / Editor

Not even the most one-eyed of Melbourne supporters could have predicted how their preliminary final against Geelong would go.

A truly unfathomable 83-point demolition of their age old rivals has put them through to a grand final – and as warm favourites – while the Cats are left to lick their wounds after once again falling badly short when it counts.

Here are my talking points from tonight’s bloodbath.

Geelong wilt in a big final yet again

Geelong’s list of finals failures since Chris Scott took the Cats to a premiership in his first year is unfathomably long.

As reigning premiers in 2012, they conceded the first seven goals of their elimination final against Fremantle to see their flag defence go up in smoke.

The Dockers got them again in their 2013 qualifying final – at Kardinia Park no less – although they were, in fairness, unlucky to go down to Hawthorn in a classic preliminary final.

In 2014, they were no match for the Hawks in their qualifying final and then went out in straight sets against North Melbourne the next week.

After missing in 2015, their return to finals in 2016 saw them break their qualifying final curse against the Hawks – thanks to Isaac Smith’s post-siren miss – only to get belted by Sydney in the preliminary final.

In 2017, it was another qualifying final belting, this time to Richmond, before getting belted again in the preliminary final against Adelaide.

They gave Melbourne a five-goal headstart in a 2018 elimination final on route to a resounding loss.

Their finals defeats over the last two seasons may have been a lot more competitive, but all that goodwill was undone by the absolutely diabolical effort they showed tonight.

It’s been said in The Roar’s comments section plenty of times, but Geelong’s conservative, high-possession game just doesn’t stand up in the pressure of finals.

They’ve consistently been ripped apart by sides with more pressure, more pace and more x-factor. Dustin Martin made his name off tormenting Geelong in finals and Christian Petracca gave his legacy and almighty boost tonight doing the same.

As enviable as Geelong’s home-and-away record has been for an extended period of time, they’ve been fumbling in the dark in September for ten years. Richmond were at the bottom of the scrapheap when the Cats last won a flag and have created a genuine dynasty while Geelong still figure it out.

Melbourne haven’t won the flag, but they look a heck of a lot more capable than the Cats can dream of being.

How long can this go on?

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Where do the Cats – and Chris Scott – go from here?

Geelong pushed all their chips to the middle of the table at the start of this season, but their performance tonight was more akin to a pair of fours.

You can say they got within a game of a grand final but, given they lost that game by 14 goals and their qualifying final by seven goals, the truth is they were nowhere near it.

As explained in painstaking detail above, Chris Scott’s game plan categorically does not stand up in finals. It has been proven year after year after year.

Geelong’s response has repeatedly been to add more veterans and push harder, but the cliff-edge is fast approaching and it looks a near-certainty now that their chance will come and go with nothing to show for it.

Shaun Higgins, who the Cats paid North Melbourne a second-round draft pick for, is 33 years old and was only named as the medical sub this evening. He’ll be 34 when next year rolls around.

The other 33-year-old in Joel Selwood is clearly past his days as a matchwinning midfielder.

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Isaac Smith, Zach Tuohy, Patrick Dangerfield, Rhys Stanley, Mark Blicavs, Gary Rohan and Mitch Duncan all round out the club’s bulging over-30 club. Sam Menegola joins it before next season. The best football of their careers is clearly not ahead of them, but they still remain so crucial to the Cats staying competitive – let alone playing for a premiership.

Lachie Henderson and Josh Jenkins are also on the wrong side of 30 – but do they get new deals for 2022?

Recent history has not been kind to heavy losers in preliminary finals. The last three have failed to win a final the following season.

Should that fate befall Geelong next season, surely it’s time for wholesale change.

Christian Petracca has absolutely arrived

Comparisons have been made between Petracca and Dustin Martin for a number of years and, I’ll freely admit, I scoffed at the idea for a long time.

Not after this year and certainly not after tonight.

He conducted Melbourne’s midfield like an orchestra. The ball, his teammates, even opposition players all moved where he willed them to be. He was the definitive factor when the match was there to be won and he was the runaway train as the Demons ground Geelong into dust in the third quarter.

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He racked up 32 disposals – 20 in the first half – eight clearances, 14 contested possessions, ten score involvements, four goal assists and a goal.

His work at the stoppages was utter poetry. Early in the second quarter, as highlighted by Nick Riewoldt in Fox Footy’s commentary, he cleverly outfoxed Selwood – of all midfielders – at a midfield stoppage. With the umpire preparing to throw the ball up, Petracca instructed Clayton Oliver (Selwood’s man) to go over to Sam Menegola.

Selwood, briefly confused, followed Oliver over, creating a two-on-one on the wrong side of the stoppage and leaving himself free to take the tap and send a kick inside 50 that became a goal.

Max Gawn grabbed the headlines with his highlight-reel five-goal haul – and fair enough. The player I couldn’t take my eyes off, however, was the 2014 no.2 draft pick – who announced himself on the big stage in a very big way.

Is there a way without Steven May?

The only thing that could dull the evening for Melbourne fans was a potential hamstring injury to key defender Steven May.

He came off the ground grabbing at his hamstring after a push in the back from Tom Hawkins in the first quarter and, according to Seven’s Abbey Holmes, was quite emotional on the sidelines.

He was able to return and play out the match, albeit with little impact, but an underdone key defender in a grand final can be a massive, massive problem – just ask Phil Davis and the Giants.

Coming up against the likes of Charlie Dixon or Aaron Naughton in the decider, not having May at his best (or at all) would swing the pendulum slightly away from them.

The Crowd Says:

2021-09-16T04:21:16+00:00

Bangkokpussey

Roar Rookie


The haters are certainly coming out of the woodwork. Enjoy your smug gloating Milo. Meanwhile we cat supporters will pick ourselves up and go on, we're not hiding from that unacceptable loss. I have said this game plan, which from memory started after the bye in 2019, would not hold up in finals (I stand to be corrected). losses and scraping over the line to low ladder sides were signs that were ignored. We should've moved the forward and midfield coaches on after the '20 GF loss. A lot of our own Geelong supporters have said for a long time now Scott wasnt the coach to win a premiership his home H&A record has masked that. On "the Kardinia park fortress", I never bought that. Most of the games there, were interstate teams and teams low on the ladder with smaller supporter bases. There will be many unhappy supporters if his contract gets renenwed but I think he will see the writing on the wall. Even Scott will be forced to change the plan next year. His problem appears to be an inability to realise when a game plan is flawed as well as having almost a blind faith in some underperforming players in preference to getting games into youth. I doubt we will fall off the Cliff next year but any Cat supporter dreaming of a premiership in 2022 is in serious need of psychiatric help.

2021-09-15T01:06:54+00:00

Goalsonly

Roar Rookie


I appreciate my clubs successes and acknowledge their achievements. The fact they don't win a GF does not diminish what they did do. People remember 1989 because of the way the Cats fought it out. That's a loss from 30 years ago that's still remembered .

2021-09-15T01:02:03+00:00

Mandarin Soy

Roar Rookie


Is it? Ask Port? In fact ask any player or indeed any one in either of the Port of Geelong footy clubs, whether making the prelim is an "awesome achievement"? They'd throw up. If you were Bottom 4 for many years and made the Prelim, that's an awesome achievement. If your Premiership window is wide open and you fail to make the GF or win it, its a complete failure of the season.

2021-09-15T00:41:50+00:00

Mandarin Soy

Roar Rookie


As a North man I hope he does and pushes for Norm Smith

2021-09-15T00:39:19+00:00

Goalsonly

Roar Rookie


Contending is pretty awesome. Winning is good but being there and getting there to a prelim is an awesome achievement.

2021-09-15T00:35:14+00:00

Mandarin Soy

Roar Rookie


1 Premiership in 10 final campaign attempts (including this year) say their not.

2021-09-15T00:29:09+00:00

Mandarin Soy

Roar Rookie


Spot on. Only the most one eyed cat supporter would see any positives from that loss.

2021-09-15T00:27:28+00:00

Mandarin Soy

Roar Rookie


Ha, I like it. Although not sacked, his contract wasn't agreed and was asked to look around for other opportunities. If he hadn't found another home they wouldn't have delisted him...

2021-09-14T11:48:27+00:00

nics

Roar Rookie


Yeah agreed, but Clarkson will never go west and is unlikely to surface at Geelong unless he feels like giving Kennett a giant V. Not sure re the hardwick system being dead given it is kind of replicated by the two GF finalists…. all this run and carry is so unseemly. Let the ball do the work

2021-09-14T11:26:09+00:00

Yattuzzi

Roar Rookie


I can talk here away from the tiger trooolls. Hardwick is a one trick pony. His system is dead. I will add Hinkley to the list. Probably the prize is Clarko.

2021-09-14T11:21:18+00:00

nics

Roar Rookie


The afl mourinho

2021-09-14T11:20:30+00:00

nics

Roar Rookie


Coach swap? Can you imagine hardwick at the Eagles asking them to run and tackle?

2021-09-14T11:17:23+00:00

Yattuzzi

Roar Rookie


I have been busy on other things lately, but you know I will give my two Bob’s. You are good. You pull your blows too and like a good laugh. For what it’s worth , I thing like Eagles, Cats and Tigers need a new coach.

2021-09-14T11:09:17+00:00

nics

Roar Rookie


Now now sorry for touching a raw nerve. To be fair I think I've only had one go at the Cats re this game, and many many people have had a go at a team which is still the last non Richmond team to win a premiership. Having a go at rohan doesn't count of course.

2021-09-14T10:46:03+00:00

dargerovitch

Roar Rookie


I doubt Isaac cares , Birdman . Already has three medals.

2021-09-14T10:06:20+00:00

dargerovitch

Roar Rookie


@Birdman. I'm a Hawthorn supporter too , with the luck to have seen all 13 Hawk Flags 1961- 2015. Most successful team in the last 50 years and i think it's only fair other clubs get a go. Hawks will take a few years to be contenders again. In the meantime i'd really like the Saints to get their second Premiership.

2021-09-14T10:00:08+00:00

Don Freo

Roar Rookie


There's so much you don't get. You be better off discussing your own team...whoever that might be. That was 15 players I mentioned that Lyon introduced who are still young players. If someone is injured, do you blame Lyon? Who are you going to blame for injuries to Chapman, Frederick, Young or Valente?

2021-09-14T09:51:52+00:00

Yattuzzi

Roar Rookie


Nico, I don’t know Kane and I think I pull my blows when it is dismal for other supporters. But the Bambi/ headlight is definitely mine (although maybe stolen in a recent headline.) I don’t mind talking about my little kittens. But the carry on from some supporters of teams who didn’t even make the eight does not encourage an enjoyable interchange.

2021-09-14T09:33:15+00:00

Jonboy

Roar Rookie


Cerra has gone.Duran delisted.Tucker and Logue haven’t come on. Crowden,Banfied,Hughes,Switz are B graders wouldn’t get a game at the Suns.Cox , Sturt and Pearce mainly confined in rehab.If Darcy sheds some Kilos look out.

2021-09-13T02:22:22+00:00

C

Guest


fascinating hypothetical - if Scott hadn't won that flag in 2011, would we even be asking this? i mean, it seems to skew the thinking, he's won one so he can again. if he was 10 years in and the Cats were consistently close but no cigar, would he still be there? Leon Cameron entering that sort of territory. questions definitely need to be asked...

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