'You could see it in their sweaty eyes:' The 2023 Rugby World Cup preliminaries just began

By Harry Jones / Expert

The coaches of the five teams who can win the 2023 Rugby World Cup were intensely focused this past weekend.

You could see it in their sweaty eyes. You could hear it in their press conferences: the theories, the hypotheses, the players being marked off (Kurtley Beale, Matt Scott) the roster for France, and the longing for certainty, for control, for a rationale to use to satiate their fandoms, or stave off the axe.

Gregor Townsend was the biggest loser on the weekend. He dropped Hamish Watson to the bench because he is too small to play against the Boks, but the Boks are tiny nowadays.

Toonie was the attack coach for the British & Irish Lions, which is like saying Donald Trump was the leader of the party of family values for a while.

So, he had a Lions-dominated attack stocked to go against two Jantjies and a Willie: a spine of generational talent (Hogg-Finn-Price) at playmaker positions, with big Lion brutes at outside centre and left wing.

It was a perfect setup. Scotland have drawn the reigning world champions and Ireland in their pool in 2023. Surely, Toonie and Tandy had scouted every single Bok tactic ad infinitum. (There’s only one: dominate).

But even with Herschel Jantjies stumbling around like Ross ‘Crab’ Cronje in the Coetzee years, Willie le Roux continuing his painful cameo as Zane ‘Sideshow’ Kirchner, and having all the algorithms and experience and ‘I told you so, Warren,’ at his disposal, Toonie came up empty, again.

With their Celtic cousins (did the Picts invade Eire or vice versa, I forget?) looking like they are the only team in world rugby with two front rows to match South Africa, Scotland is probably wondering if they can qualify for the quarterfinals at all. The firm of Hogg, Russell & Price will be two years older, a step slower, and none the wiser.

A 15-30 loss at home is a rude awakening, particularly because it was lost in almost precisely the same way England lost the 2019 final. Play well in the first half by surviving set piece wobbles, but then get suffocated and tapped out, as a bomb squad causes implosion.

It also demonstrates why Gatland played the Welsh way against the Boks instead of the Scottish way: it works better. Russell looked good in the third Lions test, but he didn’t creat tries. This weekend, he looked good, but could not make kicks, was caught out in defence, and did not look like taking the game over in the barren second half. If he had started all three tests in South Africa, the Lions might have been whitewashed.

But this series is also a chance to test new players. Scotland’s left field picks did not work.

The guy who played ahead of Hamish: I can’t remember his name.

Rufus McClean showed Makazole Mapimpi the outside for try one. Matt Scott waved Damian de Allende around him for the second. And a “bench” of Marx, Koch, Kitshoff, de Jager, Pollard, and Steyn ran on to finish it off.

Ireland and South Africa are set-piece teams with depth. Scottish hopes seem wishful: brave and scrappy and done.

With the best talent and the most Lions they have ever had, and the best defence in the Six Nations, Scotland cannot and will not win the 2023 trophy.

South Africa’s coaching squad, led by infamous rugby rogue Batman Rassie and his mad scientist Jacques ‘Robin’ Nienaber, will have wanted to see better from their aging fox at 15, but le Roux just might hang on, because he still sees space better on attack than the Bok 10s. But if we are going to have an old fullback, give me the effervescent full Frans Steyn, with his monster boot and impervious body. The truth is Aphelele Fassi should be in the mix, Warrick Gelant is setting the North alight, and Cheslin Kolbe could take over 15 in a second, and be a Leigh Fullpenny.

The Boks are a shout for France in 2023. Eben Etzebeth just keeps getting better, Mapimpi keeps learning how to play with the brilliant Lukhanyo Am and de Allende combination, there are now three test-quality front rows, and Cobus Reinach looks the business. The holes to fill, are fillable: Evan Roos from Western Province is a Duane Vermeulen clone, with Buthelezi of the Sharks also a possibility. South Africa have a youngish 10 in Pollard who could be a semi finalist, finalist and finalist in three Cups (that’s what you want). A third scrum half is readily available.

What of Ireland?

The only problem could be an early peak. But certainly they would fancy their chances of making the familiar quarterfinals and if they drew New Zealand again, have decent odds of surviving (unless the All Blacks can drastically upgrade their tight five with 4-5 good uns).

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Against Ireland, the world’s best 2021 team (thus far) struggled to maintain possession in the right territories, and did not have good luck possessing territory.

Jordie Barrett was the only All Black back to gain from this game. He just seems to get better and better. Will Jordan is a classic pickoff artist, who can weave like a basket maker in the remote Peru highlands: he needs nothing at all to do it.

Dalton Papalii is the goods at 6, as our Rugby Tragic has been saying for many years, but the rest of the pack looked a bit tired and lonely. The bench was insipid.

But of course, New Zealand can win the 2023 Rugby World Cup. They are the favourites in every match they ever play, except perhaps if they played the Boks in South Africa next month.

So, we have potential Cup winners in South Africa and New Zealand. Scotland is eliminated. Can Ireland dream?

Yes, but they need better young halves. Jonny Sexton, along with James Ryan, Caelan Doris, Hugo Keenan, and Peter O’Mahony had a big point to prove this weekend: they were better in the really big games than the Lions picked over them.

But Sexton is fighting with Father Time and the World Cup is primarily a tourney of attrition where you have to get maximal quality from your spine.

Beyond that, the Irish show good depth at front row, where they have the only corps that can go toe to toe with the Boks. Andrew Porter and Tadgh Furlong, with Ronan Kelleher: that’s a foundation. Andrew Conway, Garry Ringrose, and James Lowe, with Robbie Henshaw coming back, form a clever backline.

The only thing keeping me from saying Ireland can win is I don’t think old Sexton can get to a final, and I don’t think Jamison Gibson-Park is a Cup winning 9.

Australia can win the Cup. All four of the teams who have won the Cup can win the Cup again.

It won’t be with Beale, who looked frenetic in the bad way.

But Andrew Kellaway is a great find, and even if Hunter Paisami is no Samu Kerevi, and won’t be, he and Len Ikitau show starch in defence: good squad men.

Nic White can lift the Cup, if he has the right 10, who has been identified.

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James O’Connor is one of the Wallaby greats, and so brave, but he might have lost his fire. He is the very opposite of Beale, in the wrong way, too. Too calm.

This Wallaby pack is a proper pack. The locks look like locks. The bruisers are bruising.

What is lacking? Discipline, depth, Kerevi, QC, a fullback, and Koroibete.

I’d put $50 on the Wallabies, $100 on the English, $200 on the Boks, and $250 on the All Blacks.

England?

Yes, their depth is remarkable. Freddie Steward is an obvious test animal. Poised. A rock under the high ball. Henry Slade, Manu Tuilagi, and Owen Farrell just play any position they want, but seamlessly.

Jonny May may make errors on defence at times, but he’s not going to let you down in a tournament. He learns.

The pack led by storming Jamie George is definitely going to get the Poms into the semis.

I do think Alex Dombrandt is the 8 they need, but Eddie seems unsure. Tom Curry is not an 8.

Jonny Hill works hard, but still hasn’t matched George Kruis for mine.

Maro Itoje is busy, Courtney Lawes a proper pest, and Sam Underhill was missed.

So, if have sure semi-finalists England, South Africa, and New Zealand, and a strong outside candidate Australia, who is the fifth team who can win?

Ireland or Wales or Argentina?

The Pumas are five times better than Italy, but not better than Ireland or Australia. Wales can win Six Nations but the core of their team seems to decaying from the inside.

Notice I haven’t mentioned France, yet. Mark it down: France will not make the semifinals in France in 2023.

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France is the new Ireland.

Or the the 2023 version of 2015 England.

They don’t know how to win close matches, they are too dominated by Antoine Dupont. They aren’t fit enough when it matters, and it would simply violate ancient rugby codes, deeper than laws, for them to rule the rugby world.

And so, I will designate these five teams as potential Cup winners:

Likely one of these two:

1. New Zealand
2. South Africa

But maybe (if they dodge SA):

3. England

And possibly (if OZ can draw SA instead of NZ; and if Ireland can finally win a QF):

4. Australia
5. Ireland

The Crowd Says:

AUTHOR

2021-11-19T02:56:53+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


I read it! Very good reportage.

2021-11-19T02:55:39+00:00

jcmasher

Roar Rookie


Thanks Harry some nice analysis. I agree that there are probably more teams lining up with a chance to win and I think the deciding factor is going to be the actual selections on the day. For me, NZ and England seem to pick far too many players out of position to "accommodate" them in the team. I also think NZ has gone away from it's core strength of "better people make better AB's" by picking people who don't live to the culture of the past under McCaw, Smith and Read and this is biting them. For me right now SA are the leading team but I think that their arrogance will come back to bite them and they will struggle with teams that find a way to work against their direct approach. I also think the recent issue with Rassies video and the SARFU work to protect him will work against them. While referees will be wary of another video piece, their dislike of the team from this will cause a lack of 50/50 decisions going their way and that can be an issue in a tight final

2021-11-18T02:40:05+00:00

nroko

Roar Rookie


Luck of the draw plays a part. Not many teams have beaten the ABs to go on to win the RWC - only Wallabies have in 1991 and Boks in 1995 (but that was the final). In 2019 Japan topping the pool really messed it up for the ABs - they probably weren't expecting to play Ireland in quarters - they were up for it but couldn't match that intensity the following week against England. Similarly England were up for it but couldn't match that intensity the following week against the Boks.

2021-11-16T12:57:28+00:00

FunBus

Roar Rookie


A little out of date. All of a sudden, England are overflowing with exciting number 9s. Quirke (my favourite) Randall, and Van Poortvliet. What they need is games under their belt. My ‘shopping list’ for 2023 is a dominant tighthead, and perhaps a gnarly lock to balance Itoje. Kruis and Launchbury will come back into the reckoning, so that helps. England are, quietly, in quite a good place for 2023, two years out. Most spots are covered (apart from weird weeks like this one), with the exception of a Tuilagi clone, and now it’s about bedding in the systems and style.

2021-11-16T12:50:37+00:00

FunBus

Roar Rookie


'The question is how much depth does a team require though?' As an England fan, I'd quite like another quality hooker, loosehead and tighthead given what's happened this week. :shocked:

2021-11-16T12:41:35+00:00

FunBus

Roar Rookie


Nonsense. Herschel is by far your best scrum half (and the other Jantjies your best fly-half). If you start him on Saturday England don't have a prayer and shouldn't bother turning up. Well, I tried...

2021-11-16T12:36:29+00:00

FunBus

Roar Rookie


If you get the chance, Harry, read the interview with the 'Beast' in the Telegraph (the English version) a day or two ago. Unfortunately, I think it's behind a paywall, but worth trying to get hold of it. He was talking about the scrums in the RWC final. Absolutely fascinating. Said they spotted in the tournament that Mako and Sinckler had weak binds. When Sinckler went off they knew Cole wasn't match fit. Also, interestingly, he reckons they were lucky when Marler came on not to get penalised themselves (says Marler is a MUCH stronger scrummager than Mako) but the 'picture' was in the ref's brain from earlier. Well worth a look.

2021-11-16T12:31:17+00:00

FunBus

Roar Rookie


Nah, they won't give the final pointers. As Hanson said in an interview last week, none of these matches will have any bearing whatsoever on 2023.

2021-11-16T10:11:49+00:00

Just Nuisance

Roar Rookie


Hope so Harry.. He is just sooo important..

2021-11-16T10:07:37+00:00

Lindsay Amner

Roar Guru


I reckon World cups are more often won by how the draw plays out and by coaching. Players are important but several countries have the talent to win the thing, but will get a bad run, and other teams will trip up as their coaching teams don’t cope with the demands of the tournament. I think England will be sick of Eddie, but he has the coaching skills to get them through at least one major game, but probably not three. Ian Foster does not have the coaching skills to take the ABs all the way. His ability to adapt to playing different teams and styles is sadly lacking. Jacques Nienaber is showing some ability to adapt and can run and tweak the simple game plan that can be effective at a big tournament. Dave Rennie has the skills but his limited talent pool may let him down. At the moment I’m thinking the Irish coaching team is the most well rounded. If their aging squad can keep up they may well be able to surprise us.

AUTHOR

2021-11-16T09:54:36+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


Pollard hasn’t really been able to get totally healthy. Was happy he had a rest. Been playing 12 at Montpellier. Takes heavy contact. I back him to rest up and have a great 2022.

2021-11-16T05:31:18+00:00

Just Nuisance

Roar Rookie


Considerably Harry ..Geez I recall the reaction when he selected Am and Mapimpi ..theyve gone very quite now..And ...weve almost forgotten that World Class players like Malherbe , PSDT , Snyman , De Klerk almost forgotten about..Boks looking great for 2023..Depth , experience , game breakers , dominance and mostly ..the missing ingredient other World Cups..coaching stability ..biggest concern nr 10 though..Whats up with Pollard ..Just loss of form or more ominously have all those injuries begun to take their toll..looks as slow as a pumpkin coach ..got easily caught 3 times saturday behind the gain line ..Jantjies still doesnt inspire me ..

2021-11-16T05:28:17+00:00

Busted Fullback

Roar Rookie


Thanks HJ. Me too.

AUTHOR

2021-11-16T01:44:15+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


RT is stubborn about refusing to turn his novellas into novels. It’s so cute!

2021-11-16T00:53:01+00:00

Noodles

Roar Rookie


I was sitting with a Pom this morning, who surprised me by saying that he and his mates cannot understand how the WBs can ever be competitive, given the small numbers in the local game. As he said, you go to England or France and the game is huge, with big money. All of which I found refreshing. Except that, with no great additions from overseas the WBs won a France series and then - with SK and Cooper - beat the Africans twice. I'm a broken record on the subject of administration Busted, so I heartily concur.

2021-11-16T00:40:56+00:00

Machooka

Roar Guru


Thanks Harry... rollicking read. And a fitting shout out on the Tragic one. His ability to foster critique comment on NZ rugby is unparalleled. He may even back his opinion one day and write us all a noice article!? :silly: For mine the looming 2023 RWC, and form leading into the tournament, still has a smelly COVID air about it. The effect of prolonged 'bubbles' has had a knock-on effect, and still is, for some teams more than others. Hopefully, things will get better in this regard or teams will get better in dealing with it. Either way we've still got two years to find out!? :thumbup: :rugby: :happy:

2021-11-16T00:10:08+00:00

Rugby Tragic

Roar Rookie


OK let me re-word that ... Foster is my Meyer .. :happy:

2021-11-15T22:48:59+00:00

Jacko

Roar Rookie


Harry they kinda had to in a way with the team being away from home for 3 mths. I wonder tho as to the existence of some clauses in there.

2021-11-15T22:47:26+00:00

Jacko

Roar Rookie


Spot on RT. Foster needs to take time off to be with his family :laughing: :laughing:

2021-11-15T22:44:33+00:00

Jacko

Roar Rookie


If Fiji can get better time together and bring a few more options in then they can beat anyone on their day. The Wales game over the weekend showed they can be a real force and with a Fijian team in SR now they will start getting more options in every position. I see Fiji as the biggest movers in the 2023 WC.

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