WILL GENIA: How Wallabies should react to Quade shocker, potential 'superstar' and 'incredible' backrower excel

By Will Genia / Expert

Plenty has happened in the few days since I suggested the Wallabies could win the Rugby Championship. Michael Hooper has come home, Quade Cooper could be out for the most part of a year, and despite all that Australia beat Argentina to get off to a winning start.

I’ll be honest. It’s going to be a bit more of a struggle now.

Quade brought so much direction in terms of the tactical nous and control of the game. You see that in the faith the coaching staff and players have in him.

We also don’t know when Hoops will be back and his leadership and his presence on the field is something that you can’t measure.

 His talent as a player is immense but he also can galvanize a group. You just feel better when he’s on the field.

Add in the loss of Samu Kerevi and I think it’ll make things a little bit more difficult, especially because if you look at the Springboks, they were incredibly dominant against the All Blacks. They will be a tough challenge for us even though we play them here.

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The group should still have every bit of belief they can win the competition but looking from the outside in now, because of those crucial injuries and withdrawals, I think success looks more like finding combinations that work for bigger challenges ahead as opposed to the outcomes from this series.

On a personal level, I’m gutted for Quade. He’s a friend and we’ve played together for almost 20 years.

I know hard he works to stay in good condition all year round. You saw Dave Rennie’s comments in the lead-up about how much of a difference Quade makes to that group in terms of his skill set and his leadership. And you saw that in the time that he played on Sunday – his ability to organise those around him and give that calming influence. It was also, after the disappointment of missing the England series, a great opportunity to build on what he did last year.

While this is shocking for Quade it could be the making of Noah Lolesio.

Rennie has an interesting call to make around the 23 for the second match this weekend.

Reece Hodge was picked to cover several positions because they went with a 6-2 split on the bench. I think if they went with 5-3 in Mendoza, Noah might have been on the bench.

You know what you’re going to get from Reece – he’s going to do his job well.

But if Quade is out for 12 months, I think they should be thinking about who they see fulfilling that role long term.

I’m not privy to training and the conversations that go on, but I would pick and stick with Noah. He had a really good Super Rugby season where he took the Brumbies to the semi-final. He makes sense in the short term as well as the long term.

They might see Hodgey as a long-term fix. If so, then go for him and put Noah on the bench.

Same with James O’Connor, although James is probably struggling in terms of his performances being up and down and, from all reports, he’s struggling with his body, and it’s breaking down a little bit. When I think about all those things put together, I like the idea of Noah getting picked and them making it clear what the expectations of him are.

Quade Cooper of Australia is tackled by Santiago Carreras of Argentina during The Rugby Championship between Argentina Pumas and Australian Wallabies at Estadio Malvinas Argentinas on August 06, 2022 in Mendoza, Argentina. (Photo by Daniel Jayo/Getty Images)

If they do that you get certainty within the unfortunate circumstances and that can help take Noah to another level.

He was getting picked ahead of Quade last year but he would have always known Quade was there or thereabouts.

 Last year Quade was training the house down. Noah would have been feeling the pressure in training and that was transferring into the games. I don’t think he performed as well as he would have liked to last year.

I wouldn’t see going all in on him as a gamble because he’s two or three years into playing Test footy now. Now it’s a case of ‘Noah you’re our 10. We expect you to perform. This is what we see as the responsibilities within the team.’

It would give Noah a lot of confidence knowing that he has the backing to be able to build into the game.

He has to perform, that’s a given. I thought he was okay during the English series. At moments he played well in the first Test but there were things he could have done better in the remainder of it.

With Quade injured, if Noah steps into the No.10 he could look around and it’s essentially just him. It might be him, James or Reece but I would like to see him given the opportunity.

Stability in that position is important.

Around the 2019 World Cup, we chopped and changed our halves a lot. Whitey started against South Africa and I did against Argentina and in the World Cup he started two games and I did two and the quarterfinal.

You want continuity of combination and selection. You get comfortable with particular voices, different styles of play, leadership, and direction, and if that’s constantly chopping and changing it affects the guys around you and that dynamic within the 23.

Petaia ready to show he’s world class

It was so good to see Jordie Petaia get through 80 minutes in Sunday’s Test. A couple of times he was in space and I thought he’d open up and he hesitated just a bit. He’s starting to find confidence in his body but that was a positive step in the right direction.

If he gets through some more 80s, gets fit and conditioned and he’s in good shape, he’s going to be a superstar.

I genuinely believe that because of the skills, attributes, and abilities that he brings to the game. He’s excellent under the high balls. He’s strong. A competitor. He’s got great hands. He’s got great vision and good skills. He just needs time in the saddle to build confidence in his game to be able to execute at Test level.

At the 2019 RWC he played 13 for us in that quarterfinal and he was unbelievable. It’s all there – it’s just a case of building confidence in his body and then from that confidence in his game and understanding what his game looks like at Test level.

I think for the moment wing is the right position for him. But the more confidence he gets in his body and his game, I’d love to see him at 13.

The 80 minutes on the weekend was a good start. The number of injuries he’s had and the time he’s missed it’s probably affected his confidence in his body.

He’s a good kid, trains hard, and works hard. I’d love to be able to see him find some rhythm and consistency in games and then show everyone what a world-class talent he is.

Bobby dazzler

I was impressed with our forward pack on Sunday although the game was pretty scrappy overall.

There were patches of good play but then there would be a little error or just disruption from the Argentina pressure or we would turn the ball over at the breakdown.

What kept us in the game was our ability at set piece. That was evident with the driving maul try and penalty try. But the ability to have parity and a good platform to attack off the back of set piece is what kept us going.

We nailed our line outs and scrums. Being able to attack off set piece allowed us to stay in the game.

Bobby Valetini was incredible. With Samu Kerevi being out we lose a little bit of punch in midfield. It puts pressure on guys around that space to be able to deliver that and Bobby seems to have shouldered more responsibility in that space.

Fraser McReight must be the most like-for-like replacement player ever. He’s built like Hoops, has a similar game style – all energy and buzz – and is and always there in support or chasing back in defence.

He put pressure on at the breakdown, was always there in and support tackled very well and he was rewarded for his good core skills working around the set piece with a maul try.

The Crowd Says:

2022-08-09T23:04:18+00:00

Ken Catchpole's Other Leg

Roar Guru


Reframe, thanks for the clarification. You value the insights of the booing mob before the considered analyses of dispassionate professionals (myself excluded of course), and what’s more, you align with them. With regard to alternate 10s, a quest I was loud about here as soon as Rennie and the Wallabies started getting pay out of Australia’s veteran playmaker- We’ve needed to be building a 10 factory as soon as the Qrev egg was hatched, For the simple reason that Quade and Samu can crack holes but need to avoid cracking themselves, which they have. It’s done now. But we’ve needed to be making playmakers at least since Foley’s creative ceiling was exposed vs NZ in the 2015 final. And I would argue that a Quade in the mix since then would’ve could’ve should’ve assisted younger 10s to rise. And I like Edmed. I don’t have stats on relative young 10s, but Tane may go all the way. His soft OzA efforts recently may have been mere stage fright. He has some grit that I like. Noah is looking more like a Foley/Hodge place holder option but again, he has qualities worth developing, imo. The challenge is that we have precious little first class development minutes for these kids. Sooner or later Rennie will need to roll dice, with Super coaches cooperating. Of all things in Australian rugby available to boo, that some choose Quade suggests that some aren’t paying attention.

2022-08-09T22:36:46+00:00

Ken Catchpole's Other Leg

Roar Guru


“ There has been an ongoing failure to develop test players at 9 and 10. It dates back to” Cheika welding a 10 onto Foleys back.

2022-08-09T08:58:13+00:00

Ken Catchpole's Other Leg

Roar Guru


If his leg doesn’t heal, it’s Plan Z, NickO. But prayers have been answered before now.

2022-08-09T03:40:27+00:00

Dusty10

Roar Rookie


Thanks for your insights Will, really interesting. Big favour to ask: can you get a line to Dave Rennie and ask him to consider starting Tom Wright at 10?? He's a natural flyhalf. This could be his Larkham moment, something the Wallabies never look back from.

2022-08-09T02:42:15+00:00

Ken Catchpole's Other Leg

Roar Guru


Fair enough Scott. I don’t really have a horse in the young 10 race, but I like Tane’s toughness, and have a hunch he may kick on. Happy for Donaldson to prove me wrong.

2022-08-09T02:26:16+00:00

ScottD

Roar Guru


They do but imo Donaldson is easily the best of the three. The other two lack something he has - I'm not sure what is but he really impresses me.

2022-08-09T01:18:31+00:00

Nick Maguire

Roar Rookie


Mr Leg, unfortunate as it is, QC is realistically "Plan C" for RWC 2023.

2022-08-08T23:47:27+00:00


Physically I think this Wallabies team should be able to match the Boks up front. I’m not sure who you’d drop with Arnold coming back in to the mix though. Maybe Swain? Hard to drop Frost from the bench too, the bloke can really motor.

2022-08-08T23:36:27+00:00

Reframe

Roar Rookie


Ken, It is a wonderful thing to have you elevated to such esteemed company as the HJ's, DR and NB. The term idol worship as taken personally by you is neither a fallacy or an ad hominem attack but insecurities are a reality of life. I do not need to justify my comments or opinions to you but just to help you. I was at a game last year where QC was booed, one would easily point the finger and say must be Kiwis but alas no. It came from the very gold part of the ground but yet another fallacy for you to disseminate. Fallacy of defective induction, if the use of philosophical terms empowers your sense of self superiority then well done. For mere mortals what Ken is saying in essence that arguments are being made without supporting evidence. Thank you for allowing me my perfect entitlement to my opinion, given your obvious status I will continue to do so sans ad hominems, detective inductions or anything else that upsets your sensitive nature. As to my choice of who should be playing the 10, no matter who I suggest you will no doubt play coach but what the heck. I would suggest Edmed, NL - if DR structures the game play to suit his style rather than force him to play otherwise. Of course if the template you suggest is QC then the cupboard is sadly bare of the exceptionally gifted.

2022-08-08T23:03:18+00:00

Reds Harry

Roar Rookie


Thank you Will. Can you let us know your thoughts in why Tate is not in the 23? Interesting on the training ground dynamics with Noah and Quade. Hopefully Quade will be sticking around the team? Longer term, I think the guy is a natural attack/backline coach. I like Petaia on the wing. Hopefully he can stay on the park and emulate Marika who now has a high work rate and onfield presence allied with his undoubted speed, power and elusiveness with the ball Gives a real added factor and hopefully Jordan can bring his unique skills more often into the game. He took his chances (at test level you probs only get in space 2 or 3 times a game) very well on the weekend.

2022-08-08T22:15:03+00:00

Short Arm

Roar Rookie


Yeah it's a worry, he's not even head coach & has so much influence on selections. Maybe the other selectors are behind McKellar & poor old Dave is on his Pat Malone ? Reminds me of all the years we were stuck with Phipps & Foley.

2022-08-08T21:39:54+00:00

Objective Observer

Roar Rookie


Eddie Jones has been developing Marcus Smith, with actual game time in the team. That is not what DR has been doing, both at 9 and at 10. The Randwick Eastwood game a few weeks ago saw Edmed v Donaldson, both are good and have potential. Have a look at the limited minutes the bench 9’s get.

2022-08-08T21:19:34+00:00

Backrower

Guest


This backline would worry most opposing coaches: 9. White 10. Cooper 11. MK 12. Kerevi 13. Petaia 14. Kellaway 15. Wright The reluctance to bring in new blood such as Donaldson, Edmed etc…surprises me when Noah really hasn’t gone anywhere near locking himself in when QC is absent. Maybe Rennie just doesn’t rate the other two.

2022-08-08T19:50:11+00:00

Ken Catchpole's Other Leg

Roar Guru


Fair enough Bobby. And I agree. I’ve been here for a year arguing for the developing of young 10s to keep the template alive while Quade takes necessary rests. I think that he may have come back too soon. But yes, we’ve needed more tens since Cheika was a boy.

2022-08-08T19:46:05+00:00

Ken Catchpole's Other Leg

Roar Guru


Too much in your response her to unpack Reframe. So I will just choose just two- your use of the phrase ‘idol worship’ is simultaneously a strawman argument and an ad hominem attack. And secondly “ prior to his re-emergence, supporters condemned him universely for his “exceptional skills”” Groupthinking mobs are one thing, then there are others who think for themselves. SA observers, such as Harry Jones, astute professional analysts such as Nick Bishop and Dave Rennie, not to mention Australian ‘supporters’ like myself, who have waited years to see a genuine playmaker in the gold 10 shirt. ‘Condemned’ ‘universally’ is you making things up. That looks like an error of one to the many (fallacy of defective induction). My use of the term giant was not to elevate Quade to legendary heights but merely to complete the ‘metaphor - ‘standing on the shoulders of giants’ when a person follows and improves upon the template of those preceding them. You are perfectly entitled to disagree about who Australia’s best playmaker is. Please bring evidence and don’t play the man.

2022-08-08T19:22:56+00:00

Bobby

Roar Rookie


I did qualify my comment with "for now". I love the bloke but we now have to focus on the present and future.

2022-08-08T19:16:15+00:00

Ken Catchpole's Other Leg

Roar Guru


Perhaps. Which is a subtly and significantly different thing to say than ‘yesterday’s man’.

2022-08-08T18:32:43+00:00

Bobby

Roar Rookie


The reality is that he is gone for up to 12 months.

2022-08-08T17:24:04+00:00

Honest Max

Roar Rookie


League is a little sport played by a few dudes in a couple of places. They make good wingers but let’s leave it at that. DCE in rugby would be roadkill.

2022-08-08T17:07:23+00:00

FunBus

Roar Rookie


Yeah, Anthony Watson, the England winger, was out for 14 months with a ruptured Achilles. Now, all injuries are slightly different, but I'd be surprised if he lined up in France. You don't want the England Tuilagi situation - waiting for Manu.

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