'Can come back stronger': Horan's verdict on QC's RWC hopes, our No.10 depth chart and his X-Factor pick

By Matt Cleary / Expert

It was the Super 10 final in Durban in 1994 when Tim Horan, playing for Queensland Reds against Natal Sharks, stepped hard off his left, bent his knee at an ugly angle, and broke just about everything.

There were ruptured cruciate and medial ligaments, a dislocated femur, his patella (somehow) lodged up behind his hamstring. There was damage to the joint. Both cartilages were cactus.

It wasn’t so much if he’d play rugby again but walk.

“I didn’t care about playing rugby again,” Horan tells The Roar Sports. “I just cared about getting back to a normal life – playing touch footy, playing tennis, getting out on the golf course.

“And I wanted to work as hard as I could to achieve it.”

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He moved to Sydney and worked every day with Wallabies physio, Greg Craig. Six months into rehab and Craig said something Horan never forgot.

“He said, ‘Tim, a ‘normal life’ for you is playing rugby.’ And that’s when we started to really track towards it.

“But early on, the question I asked myself was, ‘Do you want to walk?’,” Horan says.

All of which makes Horan, a crack analyst with Stan Sports, uniquely placed to advise Quade Cooper – and Australian rugby – about the 34-year-old’s journey back towards green-and-gold – and what Australia should do in the meantime.

Quade Cooper. (Photo by Chris Hyde/Getty Images)

Cooper’s Achilles injury is, of course, different to Horan’s knee. And as they lay on the turf of Kings Park and Malvinas Argentinas Stadium, both men were in a different place. Horan was ten years younger than Cooper.

And Cooper hasn’t (we assume) verbally agreed to play rugby league for North Sydney Bears.

But in terms of time out and the mental strength required to get back, Horan says Cooper has to initially focus on getting fit – and keep in mind what’s ahead of him.

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Can he do it? Horan says “definitely”.

“You can play after eight to 10 months after an Achilles injury, depending how recovery goes. But it’s going to take him probably 10-to-12 months to be fully fit.

“But he can definitely get back. It’s whether he can get back to the speed he wants for the World Cup,” Horan says.

Asked if the injury is one that plays on a player’s mind, like a phantom – ‘Will it go again?’ – Horan is emphatic: “No. As long as you’ve done your rehab it’ll be stronger than the other one.”

Another positive: in January of this year Fijian Drua fly-half Teti Tela, 31, was running again six months after Achilles surgery. Two months after that he trotted out against Melbourne Rebels.

So, here we are, with Australia’s first-choice fly-half out of action until, best Teti Tela case, April of 2023 – five months before the World Cup in France.

In the meantime, Horan says it’s vital for Australian rugby to cultivate the next generation of fly-halves – and not necessarily the ‘obvious’ ones, the Waratahs trio Ben Donaldson, Tane Edmed and Will Harrison.

“The step up from Super Rugby to play in a gold jersey is a big one,” Horan says. “And those three players, they’ll need more time in Super Rugby. I think you’ve got to find someone who’s got X-Factor.”

Who does? Horan is a big fan of 20-year-old Western Force fly-half Reesjan Pasitoa but the youngster is recovering from a knee injury that is expected to rule him out for most of the 2023 season.

His pick for the future is 19-year-old Jack Bowen, son of former Wallabies fly-half Scott, who starred for Australia U20s and currently runs about for Eastern Suburbs in Sydney’s Shute Shield.

“No one’s seen Jack Bowen outside of club footy. But he’s just out of school, just turned 19. Really impressive, he’s got something.

“Yes, here’s where he should be, playing club footy. But you’ve got to, not ‘fast track’ these guys, but I think you’ve got to get them into a system that develops them.

“And if Jack Bowen is not going to get a chance with the Waratahs because there’s three flyhalfs there, put him with the Reds or the Rebels or somewhere where he’s around a good system.

“He mightn’t play much [first class] footy but he’s going to be in a system where he can develop,” Horan says.

We throw some left-field suggestions at Horan: a switch from the centres for Hunter Paisami; the poaching of a random halfback from rugby league. Neither appeals greatly to Horan. Indeed he says shifting Paisami would be “suicide”.

“There’s no chance. It would be suicide. And I think they’re smart enough not to do that.

“On the leaguies, I haven’t watched a lot. But I’m sure there’s kids there. There’s kids that come out of these GPS schools who go to league and don’t get a chance in rugby.

“I think we’ve got a better fighting fund now to keep those kids.

“But in every position we’ve got to build talent straight out of school and give them an opportunity,” Horan says.

For the time being Horan is positive about what Reece Hodge, James O’Connor and, particularly, Noah Lolesio can bring to the party.

Noah Lolesio. (Photo by Mark Kolbe/Getty Images)

“I was really impressed with Noah Lolesio in those three Tests against England. I think he’s really grown physicality-wise and he’s a smarter in his game management. I’d be persisting with him. He could play 80 Test matches.

“And James O’Connor will have learned from the last couple of games where he came off the bench, didn’t do too well. It would have hurt him. He’s a very good player and he could do a good job for you.

“But, again, you’ve got to develop those younger ones under them and give them an opportunity.”

Horan’s final message for Cooper is this: Time is your friend.

“He’s got time and we know he’s very motivated to get back and get it right,” Horan says. “But by ‘get it right’ I mean to live your life for the next 40 or 50 years.

“He’ll also have a goal of getting back and playing rugby.”

Back to normal.

The Crowd Says:

2022-08-13T20:55:45+00:00

Ken Catchpole's Other Leg

Roar Guru


Our X factor has gone to Z.

2022-08-12T12:04:15+00:00

Ken Catchpole's Other Leg

Roar Guru


Did not know that one Piru. But yeh it makes sense. Johns would know how to see space. The geniuses see space for others as well as themselves. So much commentary on playmakers seems to lack awareness of the criteria of the job.

2022-08-12T11:32:48+00:00

GoldenEye

Roar Rookie


I hope he does, but there is a big difference between the healing ability of a 23 year old as apposed to a 34 yr old. Also, pretty sure the rehab resources available to Quade pales in comparison to Cam. Here’s hoping, it’s a big one though.

2022-08-12T06:41:28+00:00

ScottD

Roar Guru


That was somewhat intelligible and you aren't wrong although I think Donaldson a better option than Edmed

2022-08-12T06:39:51+00:00

ScottD

Roar Guru


Yeah - Nup

2022-08-12T05:34:29+00:00

wigeye

Guest


tim :shocked: thats what my brother goldeneye said !! Why you always want take the credit. You are like a browner tim :laughing: :laughing:

2022-08-12T04:46:09+00:00

Tim J

Roar Rookie


Wigs, you are a Kiwi supposedly so harden up!

2022-08-12T03:03:07+00:00

Lord Ted Said

Roar Rookie


I like the look of Edmed, composed, tough, kicks goals well, does all the little basics well. But Super rugby complicates things so much in Australia.

2022-08-12T02:55:15+00:00

piru

Roar Rookie


Ken I remember many years ago watching a charity rugby league match with a well known (at the time - can't remember who it was now) AFL player in the backline. Matty Johns repeatedly put him into gaps to the point he was telling the ARL players around him how easy the game is. They then ran him straight into some bruiser who flattened him, but it was all in good fun. Just shows what a good 10 (or 6) can do

2022-08-12T00:30:50+00:00

wigeye

Guest


Still dicking around with the 1st5 issue and now oconnor comes back in. Get off the grass, so another year goes by the issue stays the same . Major pivot point still a shambles thats why backline can't fire. Bring in real young 1st5s like edmed. Unavailable/injury quade , baby pants noah, hodge,oconnor musical chairs clutching at straws bring back the dead wood time and time again. I do support the wallabys by the way its just they are numbnuts not addressing the problems as much the same in allblack camp, tim get off the gear

2022-08-11T23:57:38+00:00

Sage

Roar Rookie


https://au.news.yahoo.com/inside-cam-akers-remarkable-return-from-the-most-feared-injury-in-sports-220921064.html Maybe, maybe not. Age is against him but if a Zen like focus on the recovery path is the answer, then Quade has that in spades. Besides, he has to return to score the winning points to win the WC against the AB’s – then the Karmic circle will be complete

2022-08-11T20:00:22+00:00

Otago Man

Roar Rookie


Different instructions for the Brumbies and Wallabies.

2022-08-11T19:55:13+00:00

Rohan

Roar Rookie


Could not his coach ask him to stand a little shallower?

2022-08-11T12:04:15+00:00

jameswm

Roar Guru


Yeah picking a 10 on X factor - as opposed to picking one based on how they do the fundamentals.

2022-08-11T11:12:15+00:00

Tim J

Roar Rookie


Hello GE, that is why I think that he would make a great mentor for the squad if he is unable to be 100%. It is along recovery and as you correctly pointed out, it is not a guarantee the player will be at the same level.. :thumbup:

2022-08-11T11:08:16+00:00

Tim J

Roar Rookie


Ken, he likes to pull down OZ Rugby. Small minds have small things to contribute, he needs to remove the wig as it is covering one eye.. :laughing:

2022-08-11T11:05:06+00:00

Tez

Roar Rookie


Have read the comment 3 times and still don't understand it

2022-08-11T11:01:31+00:00

Ken Catchpole's Other Leg

Roar Guru


RA developing “a program where the young FHs get together regularly and learn about their job” makes sense to me Phil. Larkham Cooper Ella, surely between them, could create a boot camp/10 intensive to develop specific playmaking skills?

2022-08-11T11:01:07+00:00

GoldenEye

Roar Rookie


Anyone who thinks Quade will come back from the Achilles anywhere near the player he was, hasn't experienced the injury. Not even the great Kobe Bryant was the same. Check the stats below: https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2018/1/27/16940178/nba-achilles-injury-history-kevin-durant-golden-state-warriors-future

2022-08-11T10:42:29+00:00

Ken Catchpole's Other Leg

Roar Guru


“ it’s the ability to read the game and make the right decision at the right time the elevates the great 10s” I would add Piru – that after reading the game and making powerful decisions, there needs be an ability to enable others- to become greater than the sum of parts and all that. But how to create a test playmaker- that’s the trick. The weak link seems to be in what you said “ due to the lack of quality game time players get.” Most crucially I see a lack of ‘furnace’ games, the ones that develop reflexes and disciplines that can function creatively amidst test pressure. I agree with Horan when he says- “you’ve got to, not ‘fast track’ these guys, but I think you’ve got to get them into a system that develops them.” Our young tens suffer for lack of furnace time.

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