Will women's rugby be the white elephant to break Australia and New Zealand?

By Brendan NH Fan / Roar Rookie

We are currently enjoying the biggest Women’s Rugby World Cup to date.

Back in 1991, World Rugby refused to even acknowledge the first edition. It wasn’t until 1998 that the first officially backed World Cup took place, and now we are in the 9th edition, with World Rugby accepting 1991 as the official start.

Since the 2017 edition women’s rugby has gone through a change like the men’s in 1995, putting in place the structures that will shape the game. One big player missing in all the changes has been SANZAAR (South African, New Zealand and Australian Rugby, the body which oversees Super Rugby and The Rugby Championship competitions). Because of no counter body to Europe will the next World cup be so open?

While the Six Nations are all going professional in some form or another, as in New Zealand, other nations are less sure of what to do. If a nation goes professional it often comes down to money, but how that money is created is the problem for many nations. For the big income-generating Unions of England, France, and New Zealand adding a professional squad only requires reducing funding to a lower men’s league. For a nation like Canada that can’t be done.

I will look at the top 14 nations (their first test/Number of games) which are:

Sera Naiqama of Australia (Photo by Phil Walter/Getty Images)

Rest of the World – Australia (1994/59), New Zealand (1990/100), South Africa (2004/56), Fiji (2006/17), Japan (1991/59), USA (1987/126) and Canada (1987/147)

Europe – England (1987/297), France (1982/253), Ireland (1993/188). Italy (1985/166), Scotland (1993/181). Spain (1989/143), Wales (1987/226)

Games played

Because of the six Nations and European Championships, all but Spain have played more games than any of the other unions. World Cup games make up 49% of Australia’s games, 29% of New Zealand but only 13% of England’s. Not playing enough games is a problem for all but a few teams.

In 2019 Canada, the USA and New Zealand had six games each, of which 4 games were the Super Series. Ireland also had six but were not invited to the Super Series. England had 12 games while France had 11. Australia played four games, twice the amount form 2018.

World Rugby has proposed a few changes to the test games that look much like the nations leagues but worse. First is the creation of the Pacific 4 which will involve New Zealand, Australia, Canada and the USA. This will provide three games more for Australia but it is like the men’s Pacific Cup that gets changed all the time, I don’t know if it will work as the nations have ownership of it.

From 2023 will have three divisions of six teams played in one location. The problem with one location is it doesn’t build the local support as the July or November Tests do. This could result in the only home game Australia and New Zealand play at home each year be one against each other.

The breakdown of the three divisions going on this year would be (World Rankings as of 03/10/22)

Division 1 – England (1), New Zealand (2), France (3), Canada (4), Australia (7), Wales (9)

Division 2 – Italy (5), USA (6), Ireland (8), South Africa (11), Japan (13), Fiji (21)

Division 3 – Scotland (10), Spain (12), Kazakhstan (15), Samoa (17), Colombia (25), Kenya (26)

While the first two divisions look fine, Scotland and Spain should not be in division three. The other four teams are all about the same level based on World Cup qualifications but Scotland won the final 59 – 3. As the six Nations become more professional over the next World Cup cycle expect it to look worse. Even after this World Cup, it might show up how not including Fiji or South Africa in a Pacific Six Nations as poor judgement.

Crowds

Attendances are difficult to calculate when it comes to women’s rugby, as it can be hard to find crowd numbers for games. As we saw with the sold-out triple header all seats may have been filled but not even close for any of the games.

The 6 Nations has a set time each year that they play, allowing more tickets to be sold. In the 2022 six nations, Scotland 3988, Wales 4875, Ireland 6113 and England 15836, each set a new record for a standalone game not part of a World Cup. France failed to set a record, but they hold the current world record attendance at 17440 in 2018. Italy’s record is from 2017 at 4113.

England and France generally don’t get less than 10k per game at home. These figures would be able to go towards paying for professional and semi-professional teams, which is key as money is hard to find. With six home games selling 10k tickets at $10, would net England and France $600k a year. While it might not be self-sustaining, it does pay part of the cost. Even if Australia get the same attendance, they could end up with a lot fewer games to sell.

It still has a long way to go to generate the same income for a match day. The triple header on the opening day of the World Cup, ticket prices started at €6 to see the three best teams in women’s rugby in a 50k stadium. Namibia v Uruguay, a low-level game in the men’s version is being played in a 59k stadium, tickets start at €10 (66% more) and you can’t buy a ticket on the site a year out.

At the first sale of France 2023 in April 2021 350,000 tickets sold out in five hours. About 2.5m tickets are expected to be sold for the event possibly breaking the 2015 record of 2,477,805 total tickets. The record attendance for one game though will not be broken which is Ireland v Romania in 2015 at 89267. At the 2017 women’s version, they also broke the total attendance at the games at 45412 (2%) in total. This record will be broken again this year, but is unlikely to get above 10% of the men’s figure at a substantially smaller ticket price.

Fulltime means year-round

Many will be fed up with me pointing out that Super Rugby pays half the wages of the European leagues because they only do half the work. This is going to be mirrored in the women’s game more drastically. While men’s teams, like Chile and Uruguay, survive on one squad, most top nations have at least 60 professional players to call on.

Women’s rugby is going to need 40+ players to be professional in the coming years if they want to stay at the top. It is one thing to pay people but they also need meaningful club games. We have already shown that internationals only fill up 10-12 weeks for the top teams, so what about the other 30 weeks of the year? These need to be filled with a mixture of games and training.

As the URC does the groundwork to form a women’s league of some sort all Six Nations players will be getting their 20 games a season. Add in the evitable Champions Cup like soccer has done with the Champions League, and you start to see the English team’s improvement mirrored across the Six Nations, South Africa, and probably Spain. At 20 games a season these players will become fully professional.

It will cost Australia and New Zealand a similar fee to keep the same size squad but will they be able to provide the same games to fill the year? Super Rugby Aupiki was four teams and three games, while Super W was six teams and five games. This shows that the Unions are already spending money putting on these games at no extra costs.

Funding via Commerical Partners

Logic says to put the 10 teams together, and have 18 game season, but can the unions afford it? Super Rugby does not have an official airline carrier that could help with free flights like the URC and ECPR have in place. Sometimes it is cheaper to just pay the players and have a few games than lose more money on flights and accommodation trying to get more games. When New Zealand only has 3 games at a high standard it shows where priorities lay.

The Six Nations runs the women’s six nations, just as it does the men’s. Since 1995 European nations have run a competition, this was when World Rugby made the women’s World Cup official. It is essential to understand that it has taken nearly 30 years to get to where it is. This year TikTok made deals with the Six Nations, one of these deals was to become the title sponsor of the women’s tournament, it was their first unique title sponsor.

Because women’s rugby is also aligned mostly with the men’s teams, they are able to give more money if they want to. If Premiership, URC and Top 14 were to divert 10% of the club’s wage bill to support women’s rugby, Premiership would give about $1m, Top 14 about $1.5m with the URC about %1.1m. Super Rugby on the other hand would only be able to give $500k. $1m over a 40-player squad would be $25k.

Because all the deals are bigger in European rugby it’s not as hard to divert 10% of every deal in the league and union to support women’s rugby. On the other side of the world with international tournaments only just starting and little cross-broader interactions for the men outside of Super Rugby, getting commercial backing will be much harder as unions don’t work together.

Conclusion

I know that women’s rugby is here to stay, and I know it will be a long time before it can pay its way. Even the men’s club games can’t pay their way after nearly 30 years outside of possibly France. To some, it’s the future of rugby, to others it’s another white elephant like USA men’s rugby, but in reality, might it be the straw that finally breaks Rugby Australia’s financial back?

Yes, women love sport, and they do attend games. But will they be interested in going to watch, when they aren’t even sure Super Rugby is worth it?

The Crowd Says:

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2022-10-26T11:30:57+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

Roar Rookie


In theory yes but in reality World Rugby are not allowing it to happen. The Pacific 4s will be played in one location and will be 1 month. They you have WXV which will also be played in one location (probably per division) which will also be a month. That is the international window. Teams like USA and Canada are going to have more and more players go to France and England to play professionally as their Union have no money even for the men's game. Not many Unions are going to fund tours (Ireland did as no WC but OZ don't want those teams when it goes to 16 teams). No SANZAAR and World Rugby taking games away from OZ and turning it into a TV game wont help OZ get money from Fans.

2022-10-26T06:20:14+00:00

East Coast Aces

Roar Rookie


I think we need to do what we do for womens 7s. A fulltime squad of about 35 players based in the one city. Have players brought in when needed on merit. Have them play as many games as possible. Bring multiple teams here for 3 test tours a year, go on tour as much as possible. And when not playing tests have them farmed out to Super W teams based. (and avoid what we have now where the 2nd best halfback spends more then half of Super W on the bench behind the 1 halfback in the country.)

2022-10-25T04:26:51+00:00

Kent Dorfman

Roar Rookie


yeah but she boils down to bums on seats, sponsorships, TV rights, merchandise sales etc

2022-10-25T02:04:01+00:00

Kent Dorfman

Roar Rookie


we used the same frozen chook for chook raffles for a few years, luckily no one decided to take it home for the barby

2022-10-23T09:01:53+00:00

marisa bevan

Guest


My daughter plays rugby and has been playing since U6s she will play next year in U11s. She didn't enjoy the non contact for the first couple of years as it was a bit boring. In U8s it changed to tackle and she loved it mainly because it became more complex you have to think and there is so many ways to affect the outcome of a game. She plays in a mixed team with 5 other girls and they won their division final against an all boys school team. They have a great coach who values both the girls and the boys in the team. She plays touch rugby in the off season for fun but enjoys playing rugby much more. One of the main issues is culture most coaches are male and come from its a boys game background particularly in junior club level as its all volunteers.

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2022-10-22T09:18:14+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

Roar Rookie


World Rugby gives the host and top 6 teams automatic quailification. They were USA, Canada, NZ, OZ, Eng, Fra, Wales. 4 regional champions then had 1 spot each allowing SA, Fiji and Japan to qualify. This left Italy, Scotland, Ireland and Spain to fight over 1 spot. Italy got it and Scotland finished second going into the playoff they won easily. When it goes to 16 teams hopefully WR will be smart how they do it or it will end up like u20 were Europe use to have 5 spots in T1 and 1 in T2. They now have 8 spots across both because they are improving taking up more of the 13 automatic spots pushing the rest of the world to have fewer. As Europe becomes professional expect to see more in the top 8 in WC 2025. We are already seeing Italy be above USA and Oz just getting past Scotland and Wales. Ireland are at the same level and Spain just behind. 4 group winners will be Eng, Fra, NZ and Canada. Then USA & Oz will have to fight it out with Italy, Wales, Scot and Ireland for a quarter final spot who will all be 4 years into professionalism.

2022-10-22T08:52:21+00:00

SDRedsFan

Roar Rookie


Why aren't Spain at the current World Cup? Did they not qualify?

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2022-10-19T13:58:42+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

Roar Rookie


It does but not how he thinks. US spend the same on men and women even though the men's game has potential to bring in alot more. If the Walaroos become the best ever team in women's rugby they could match the mens team if they were so bad they played T2/3 nations in the July and EOYTs and failed to make world cups. But it would show that women's rugby was doing just as well as the mens.

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2022-10-19T13:55:39+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

Roar Rookie


Men never made it to the World Cup in 2018 finish 5th best in their region. They finished third this time. From 1990 to 2014 they made it to 7 WCs and 4 knockouts. To now be only the third best just about is a real worry, considering the teams replacing them are doing worse then them at the finals with Mexico making a last 16 as normal but the other two finishing bottom. Yes they are ranked 16th but who do they play regularly now that Europe play their nations leagues instead of friendly and the big teams like Brazil and Argentina and other big teams getting the few friendlies paid by the top teams. US mens missed out on $12.5m for not making it, reduced deals from their partners and missed out on which would be the real loss. Add in that the Women got the max they could at $4m for winning it. Canada are ranked 41 even though they came first in the region and I would be surprised if the USA finished second in their group ahead of Wales or Iran who are ranked lower. Like Rugby if you don't play top teams you will have a higher ranking. But I guess we will see in a month or so but FIFA pay 10 times the prize money to men compared to women.

2022-10-19T07:17:11+00:00

Hugh_96

Roar Pro


The AFL plays the long game, usually get it right & wins. The have a bit of a Belt & Road program approach because they have the $$. Plus Victorians are AFL obsessed, so viewership isn't a problem in the long term.

2022-10-18T21:12:24+00:00

Doctordbx

Roar Rookie


I feel this is going to do more damage than good. Imbalanced competitions with regular floggings don't bring the viewers.

2022-10-18T21:04:48+00:00

Doctordbx

Roar Rookie


Pretty sure what happens in US woman's soccer has nothing to do with Rugby Australia. Unless you're wandering into tyrannical patriarchy waters...

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2022-10-18T16:00:07+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

Roar Rookie


Not fully sure who OJ is, but don't worry, its England's fault as they professionalized women's rugby and the rest of the Nations followed suit that could afford it. The question is can the NZRU and RA afford to do it based on what they will need to do to support that many professional women, and at the same time not kill the golden goose of senior men's internationals. Not sure who is responsible for SANZAAR only caring about senior men's competitions only but that is who I would blame for the jump being so much bigger for Oz and SA than for Ire, Wal, Scot and Italy.

2022-10-18T13:59:40+00:00

adam smith

Roar Rookie


25 comments in & not one word from OJ…I’d really like to know if this is all Kiwi’s/NZR’s fault…I’m really starting to wonder?!?! :laughing:

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2022-10-18T13:07:05+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

Roar Rookie


Completely agree. I am curious to see what happens with SA at u20s and womens as they can join the Europe as SANZAAR is mens seniors only so no conflict. I know URC will be setting up some tournament for the ladies it is just a matter of what format and what costs will be. My guess is the 4 conferences will play each other home and away giving 6 games. Then some form of knockouts say top 2 play from each go into 2 groups of 4 so G1 = Ire1, Wal1, SA2, Other2 G2= Ire2, Wal2, SA1, Other1. But that may be alot of money. I hope Spain. Not involving SA in the Pacific 4s seems shortsighted especially with the alignment happening in men's. Again I have yet to see a competition other than the WC (debate if WR organize that) that works well long term, but is the ususal why include Fiji and SA they aren't good enough but not looking at 5 years time.

2022-10-18T11:16:50+00:00

PeterCtheThird

Guest


“Slow decline” is interesting. Us Men ranked 16, Women 1. Men have not made it to the World Cup semi-finals since 1930. More recent figures are hard to find and assemble, but 2016-2019 the US Women brought in more than the Men. But the odds are that if and when cuts must be made, it won’t be the men who suffer. And we know what you mean by “making hard calls.” Code for “how hard can the women be shafted?” Gee, what a surprise!

2022-10-18T10:28:35+00:00

Hugh_96

Roar Pro


Yes, as Kelli Underwood said about AFLW, they have decided to rip off the bandaid, every club has a team & have a few years of lopsided scores

2022-10-18T10:25:39+00:00

Hugh_96

Roar Pro


Not sure how the Pac 4 Series will work, agree having home games once every 4 years doesn't work. As for the 3 Tiers, assume each Tier will be in its own location.

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2022-10-18T10:06:24+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

Roar Rookie


the comp is a good idea the issue I have is it is meant to be played in one place. So if its in Canada then both Oz v NZ games will be in Canada and does nothing to build fan base at home that will go to the games. If the World league is then in England, Oz will have more games but again not within 1000 miles of home. It would be better to have only 4 games but have to at home each year in the same month every year.

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2022-10-18T10:02:58+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

Roar Rookie


It will be interesting to see. 12 teams will need about 400-500 players. there will be a big difference in standard between the top 50 and the bottom 50 compared to the mens game which is the big issue currently with the womens game everywhere.

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