What Rennie's blunt dismissal of ANZAC XV exhibition game suggests about his relationship with RA chiefs

By Tony Harper / Editor

Hamish McLennan’s news drop about the possibility of a Lions vs. ANZAC XV fixture on their 2025 tour Down Under was greeted with excitement by many fans and rugby insiders – with one notable exception.

Wallabies coach Dave Rennie was ice cool about the idea proposed by McLennan the chairman of Rugby Australia and the man who for all intents and purposes is Rennie’s boss.

Rennie was at his curmudgeonly best (or worst?) when asked for a reaction to the news during his press conference early Friday morning.

It might be reading between the lines, but how Rennie reacted let the veil slip slightly on his relationship with his employers.

On Thursday, McLennan told a British rugby writer that discussions were underway with New Zealand Rugby to reprise a combined team. The last time they’d played against the Lions together was in 1989, as Jim Tucker recalled in this piece for The Roar.

Other reporters and fans jumped online to name their potential combined team for 2025, with the usual light-hearted banter about how many Aussies would deserve to share the stage with their All Blacks rivals.

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As a mechanism to put rugby in the news with an engaging concept, it was a winner. Plenty put aside the brutal realities of scheduling and player interest in 2025, to pick their fantasy teams.

Dave Rennie was not engaging in fantasy – almost pointedly so.

Rennie was first asked about the concept by Sydney Morning Herald journalist Tom Decent, who is on tour with the team.

“I don’t know anything about that,” was his reply – blunt even for a man over-fond of the straight bat.

Later, an English reporter brought the topic back up, telling Rennie that there was a lot of interest in the concept in the UK, and wondering if Rennie might be coach of the combined XV.

That last bit contained a little sting. Rennie is contracted to the Wallabies until the end of the World Cup, but recently told reporters he would have to have his future sorted early in 2023 and would not be prepared to wait beyond the tournament in France. He could feasibly be Wallabies coach in 2025, but it might be out of his control.

“It’s above my paygrade,” Rennie deflected. “I’m not sure around those discussions and probably more important is sorting out a domestic competition between the two countries as opposed to playing a team or picking a team that represents both countries.

“It’ll be interesting to see whether there’s any validity in that.”

It was suggested to Rennie that, “you don’t sound massively enthusiastic about the idea”, a massive understatement in itself.

“Well, look, with all the things going on over the next couple of years … we’ll worry about it when it comes around,” Rennie responded.

Rennie is right – there is a lot to get sorted out in Australian rugby, and he has done his bit when required. When senior staff took a pay cut during COVID, Rennie took one of considerably more – a decision that was said to have cost him $75,000.

He would be right too to be frustrated by Rugby Australia’s commitment to the Giteau Law which, whatever the intended consequences, also serves to prevent him from putting the best XV on the field for every Test.

Imagine the Brazil football team rolling to the FIFA World Cup this month with just three players based overseas. The country would riot.

The law is meant to protect the game in Australia, but by having a weaker Wallabies than could be selected ultimately drags down the public interest. While it’s a massive stretch to suggest that its demise would lead to a race up the rankings, even a World Cup success, if that happened it would potentially do more for the game in Australia than a successful Super Rugby competition. (And yes, I’m aware other viewpoints are available).

Rennie has usually been respectful of the handcuffs, and RA responded to his diplomacy by altering the rules to make it easier for him to pick overseas players earlier in his tenure. But in July he said he would go to Rugby Australia to seek a fourth player and the reply was abrupt.

“The Giteau Law will remain three players,” an RA spokesman told the Herald. “There are no changes on the horizon. RA has no plans and no proposal to consider making any changes at this stage.”

You can understand Rennie’s bemusement that McLennan and the CEO of NZR Mark Robinson are in the media this week talking up a single exhibition match in two years time, rather than finalising a deal to lock down the same domestic competition that is preventing him from playing with a full hand into the World Cup.

McLennan, like Rennie, has played it straight when talking about the Kiwi in the public arena, backing him “absolutely” to take Australia through to the World Cup, even as his win record dipped under 40 percent.

Strain between coaches and suits is as old as sport itself.

And Rennie, it must be remembered was not a employed by McLennan or current CEO Andy Marinos, but his fellow Kiwi Raelene Castle. Cameron Clyne was the chairman, and Rennie’s biggest champion was Scott Johnson.

It’s not to say there is a serious issue between Rennie and his current bosses, but he’s not their man, and we know how that often falls in life and business.

The strain is there if you look closely. How it will develop and evolve, or dissipate? That’s another of those “things going on over the next couple of years” more important to Rennie right now than 80 minutes of footy in two and half years time.

The Crowd Says:

2022-11-05T21:34:29+00:00

Doctordbx

Roar Rookie


Go away Jeff. There's a game on.

2022-11-05T21:32:19+00:00

Jeff

Roar Rookie


Only intrigued by your lack of it.

2022-11-05T19:43:55+00:00

Doctordbx

Roar Rookie


You're obsessed with intelligence Jeff. Have you seen someone about this?

2022-11-05T19:38:08+00:00

Jeff

Roar Rookie


At least you are intelligent enough to understand that. There may be some hope for you.

2022-11-05T19:04:21+00:00

Doctordbx

Roar Rookie


Jeff is 'very smart'. Just ask him.

2022-11-05T19:01:16+00:00

Jeff

Roar Rookie


You are obviously totally deluded if you can't see how inane your comment is. Take it to someone with a modicum of intelligence and see what they say.

2022-11-05T09:41:51+00:00

Guess

Roar Rookie


Tony could you or someone else ask Rennie after the game why did he choose 5/3?

2022-11-05T09:25:45+00:00

Mike88

Roar Rookie


That's err....not accurate. I live in the UK. I can assure you that they do have excellent club structures and incredible pathways management from around 15 years old where they start in schools national competitions. Take England as an EG. They will have a league set up that runs from premiership to level 8 say. As you get promoted up you join a bigger pool and travel longer distances. But as you go up the money goes up. You can make a decent wage playing and coaching from level 5/6 up. From the games I've seen in the Brisbane club comp, clubs would be at around a national level. Somewhere around Level 3...but miles below premiership/championship standard. Regardless of what you might or might not know about rugby abroad, I'd be surprised if the feeling was that Australian rugby can survive off a super rugby comp and then state controlled local club rugby. It needs a domestic comp that sits above state specific comps. It's obvious.

2022-11-05T06:29:10+00:00

James584

Roar Rookie


It’s a promotional tool. Why can’t everyone see that? Dave doesn’t seem too interested in promotingAustralian rugby, just as he doesn’t seem very interested in developing players properly. He is interested in short term results and limiting damage. With his record that’s understandable, really. He could just play along though. What harm is there in that?

2022-11-05T06:26:56+00:00

James584

Roar Rookie


If it was picked on merit we wouldn’t get many in.

2022-11-05T06:21:56+00:00

Doctordbx

Roar Rookie


Ashamed of being caught out by your double standards Jeff?

2022-11-05T05:46:14+00:00

AndyS

Guest


I'd disagree; those countries all have domestic competitions encompassing the country underlying their professional teams. Each with some element of professionalism or, in the case of Scotland's Super 6, realising that even with a domestic comp there is the need for a higher standard if players are going to successfully step up to professionalism.

2022-11-05T05:23:22+00:00

sheek

Roar Guru


Tooly - very good point.

2022-11-05T04:38:35+00:00

Adam

Guest


It is a case where Hamish McLennan has opened his mouth before putting his brain in gear. Not the first time and won’t be the last time.

2022-11-05T04:26:50+00:00

James584

Roar Rookie


Because they are part of the UK or geographically part of the same relatively small area and part of the same market, in the same standard time zone with very short travel and so there is obviously no need for seperate domestic competitions. Also obviously completely different to our situation and a completely irrelevant comparison.

2022-11-05T04:21:37+00:00

James584

Roar Rookie


Yes. Great idea Paulo.

2022-11-05T04:03:37+00:00

JC

Roar Rookie


Rennie’s response was unusually terse, even by his standards. But he’s not alone. This headline-grabbing fairy floss just serves to distract attention from where it should be — on the Wallabies as they take on one of the two best sides in the world. In any case, gimmicks are not what RA should be focusing on. How about McLennan tells us how RA proposes to repair coaching development pathways? There are really pressing issues that need to be addressed to get the Wallabies back on top; the rubbish about NRL raids and Anzac teams is just that. Anyway, if the ABs didn’t want to play in a combined team with the Wallabies in 1989, why on earth would they now (other than for the money?).

2022-11-05T01:57:49+00:00

Paulo

Roar Rookie


Not at the MCG, should be the first half at the MCG, then everyone packs up, jumps on a plane, and 2nd half is played at Eden Park.

2022-11-05T01:40:44+00:00

Pedro

Roar Rookie


The days of Welsh players playing in Wales and Scottish players playing in Scotland are long gone. Club sides in Britain are full of players from everywhere. There are even Russians.

2022-11-05T01:39:47+00:00

Train Without A Station

Roar Guru


But every other nation doesn’t have one. Wales, Ireland and Scotland don’t.

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