Northern view: Cheika shows up old mate Eddie, Ireland on the right path at last, Wales simply shambolic

By Mick Cleary / Expert

What did we learn from the weekend of rugby? Things are going well up north so some, but not all.

Ireland – Top of the World, Ma

It comes to something when you realise that in the time Ireland have been top of the World Rugby rankings the United Kingdom has burned its way through three Prime Ministers.

It may only amount to a matter of a few months but credit where credit is due: Andy Farrell’s men have far more resilience, aptitude, inner toughness and integrity about them than any of that grubby lot chasing power in and around Downing Street.

It’s a decent bet that Ireland might even see off another PM by the time they are toppled from their perch given that they showed ample reserves of what makes them tick in accounting for world champions South Africa on a raucous Saturday night in Dublin (yes, I know, aren’t all Saturday nights in the fair city blessed with noise and fun?)

But the locals had come to Lansdowne Rd not just to salute their heroes of the summer, the team that had created history by beating the All Blacks and taking a series down in New Zealand for the first time ever but also to find out if the team really are genuine World Cup contenders.

Of course the rankings tell you that they are but for all the fleeting kudos that goes with being top of the pile no-one sets too much store by the standings unless a side stays there for a long time. And I mean a long time. Longer than the feckless fools in Westminster that’s for sure.

The All Blacks have managed it time and again. England did, too. Clive Woodward set his side that very target following the pitiful World Cup campaign in 1999 when they trudged back from a quarter-final defeat to South Africa in Paris.

Woodward told his men that they had to arrive in Australia as the number one ranked side in the world or they could forget any thoughts of being world champions. And they did, beating the best the southern hemisphere could throw at them 12 times in succession until lifting the trophy in Sydney.

Ireland do not yet have the aura that Woodward’s England had. But their gritty 19-16 win over the ‘Boks showed a few key things – that that are building depth, (see how they coped in midfield where they where already without centres, Robbie Henshaw and Bundee Aki, lost Ulster’s Stuart McCloskey to early injury only for debutant Jimmy O’Brien to step into the breach), that they have a pack of forwards that can go toe-to-toe with the best sluggers in the business, and, crucially, that they can deal with the pressure of favouritism.

Of course, they still have to surmount that thorny old question of how to keep 37 year old Johnny Sexton fit and firing but their fans know only too well that World Cups seem to give their boys the heeby-jeebies. Ireland have never made it past the quarter-final stage.

These two sides are in the same pool at next year’s World Cup. The manner in which they dealt with the Springbok challenge on Saturday night suggests they are on the right path. They were not perfect by any means, not dominant and overwhelming as England were in the early noughties or various Kiwi iterations have been, but they know what they are about. We now know that they will be a right handful for anyone in France 2023.

Jonathan Sexton (Photo By Ramsey Cardy/Sportsfile via Getty Images)

Cheika (finally) Trumps Eddie

Eddie Jones finally had to cede bragging rights to his old Randwick mucker, Michael Cheika, his England side losing to Argentina at Twickenham (29-30) for the first time since 2006. That defeat led pretty soon afterwards to the sacking of England head coach, Andy Robinson.

That sort of question has swirled around Jones at various times during his eight year tenure but he has plenty in the bank to take him through to France next year even if a loss to his old Japanese charges next weekend might cause a few jeers to tumble down from the Twickenham stands.

Jones’s win-loss against Cheika stood at 7 and 0 but such has been the form of Los Pumas this year with victories over New Zealand and Australia it meant this fixture was always going to be a tester. Emiliano Boffelli scored 25 points, a haul that included a cracking try.

England had so much possession but so little idea as to how it use it. Their attack was clunky and one-dimensional, all the more troubling given that their set-piece was productive. There can be no excuses for such a lacklustre performance. They are a middling team at best.

These sides are in the same World Cup pool. As a dress rehearsal, England fluffed their lines. There is much work to do.

Eddie Jones. (Photo by David Rogers/Getty Images)

Have the All Blacks been conning us? Or are Wales just rubbish?

Eight tries away from home, a record points total in Cardiff (55) and an imperious performance – you’d have to say New Zealand are back in the groove.

The star was Ardie Savea, who not only roamed and roared his way round the Principality Stadium with the ease and confidence of a man playing in his own back yard but who also managed to throw a theatrical dummy that would not have been out of place on the West End stage – an act of ridiculous contrivance but good fun to boot.

New Zealand may only just have scraped past Japan ( 31-38) seven days earlier but it’s high time we stopped being so condescending towards the Brave Blossoms. Their showing at the 2019 World Cup should have put paid to such patronising nonsense but it hasn’t quite done so yet.

The All Blacks had to step up a gear and they did. Aaron Smith looks as sharp as ever has done at scrum-half, nabbing a couple of tries, while the switch of Jordie Barrett to centre looks as if it will bring craft and substance to their midfield.

Dalton Papali’l looks a real force too on the flank in the absence of the injured Sam Cane. And Wales? Oh dear. They had their moments with a sweet try for new boy wing, Rio Dyer, but they folded far too easily. It’s true that they get better the deeper into the season it goes but that is clutching at straws on this showing.

France Va Va Voom for 2023?

France left it late to see off the Wallabies (30-29) in Paris with Damian Penaud showing a clean pair of heels to the Aussie defence as he scooted in for a late winner at the Stade de France.

And even though Fabien Galthie’s side did not have the swagger or heft of their 2022 Six Nations Grand Slam days there is still a real crackle about everything to do with French rugby at the moment.

There was a buzz in the stadium, a fair achievement for what used to be a concrete soulless bowl on the edge of Paris, a sense that it is all coming to the boil rather nicely for events in 10 months’ time. France have a heady time ahead of them. This was a decent kick-start to that quest for glory.

Pass notes on the rest

Scotland were flat and fractured for long stretches of their 28-12 win over Fiji.

Italy showed polish and guile in defeating Samoa 49-17.

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The Crowd Says:

2022-11-09T09:47:40+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


I was using TRC finish.

2022-11-09T09:38:50+00:00

Machpants

Roar Guru


Before the games this weekend, N1 was Ireland Vs S1 SA. You can't retrospectively change the numbers!

2022-11-08T05:56:49+00:00

scrum

Roar Rookie


Nah cannot let the death threats and a decade of abuse be for nought.

2022-11-07T21:24:32+00:00

Mick Cleary

Guest


Los Pumas in 2007 RWC in France were the great outliers spoiling the party for the hosts. Never forget Pichot leading a singing, dancing mass of teammates through the mixed zone after dumping on France for third place. Same again next year ?

2022-11-07T18:34:42+00:00

Rongowhakaata

Roar Rookie


On another note I think I might have finally forgiven Wayne Barnes for 2007. That was an excellent performance from him on his 100th test. The first time he has parked his ego when reffing us. Hope he keeps it up.

2022-11-07T18:31:28+00:00

Rongowhakaata

Roar Rookie


Looks like things are on the improve from the AB’s with close to the number one team taking shape and getting used to each other with a coherent game plan. A frank admission from Foster after the game sheds more light on the Irish home series. I am a bit stunned by the admission. “ As for Foster, he had the quietly contented air of a coach whose team have come through a rough few months and are now on a run of five wins in five games. “The criticism’s never in the rear view mirror on this stage, is it? We took some pretty tough lessons early on, we weren’t ready, physically or mentally, for that Irish series. But there’s a few players we held back from that series who have come in and made a big difference to us. We’re still building. We’re not there yet.” But they’re back on their way.”

2022-11-07T12:10:29+00:00

Lapierre

Roar Rookie


Yes the ABs were flattered by a truly awful Wales performance .

2022-11-07T10:47:46+00:00

WEST

Roar Guru


Ireland do have a habit of peaking before a RWC.. 2019 was another example. Let’s just see if Ireland can finally make it past a QF. Cheika’s making a big difference with the Pumas, great to see Argentina taking down the top teams.

2022-11-07T05:22:08+00:00

cs

Roar Guru


Goodonya Cheika. Go Japan!

2022-11-07T04:01:15+00:00

Northandsouth

Roar Rookie


It's early days. If they crush the Boks next week this will be forgotten. Just like last week loads of kiwi critics were wailing about how only beating Japan by 7 points was the end of the world before they stepped up in their second match. If France improve game on game they'll be grand.

2022-11-07T03:21:41+00:00

Paulie

Guest


Congratulations Argentina and to Cheik from coaching the lebanon league side in the north then to London at Twickenham in front of 82,000 spectators for Argentina rugby to beat England a masterful coaching display.

2022-11-07T02:06:11+00:00

frisky

Roar Rookie


Mack Hanson has the star back for Ireland this year with his speed and initiative resulting in some very impressive tries. Last year he was warming the reserve bench for the Brumbies. Has Australia lost another could-have-been Wallaby? A pity.

2022-11-07T01:46:54+00:00

bottom feeder

Guest


Agree 100% J .Poor reffing both ways . An unacceptable standard at this level .

2022-11-07T00:47:50+00:00

Jacko

Roar Rookie


Yeah Ireland copped some terrible decisions BF. Agree 100%

2022-11-07T00:40:07+00:00

jcmasher

Roar Rookie


Thanks Rassie

2022-11-07T00:39:24+00:00

jcmasher

Roar Rookie


Thanks Mick. I guess the issue may well also be teams not wanting to declare their hands prior to the RWC. I have feeling that both England and the Boks are keeping things tight and happy to take some hits while they confirm their plans in different ways. Let’s face it whoever wins in France next year won’t care at all about these results.

2022-11-07T00:02:19+00:00

bottom feeder

Guest


The refereeing in the Ire-SA match was poor .Irish try off a forward pass and numerous inexplicable scrum decisions. One wants a fair contest for both teams so for sides 1 vs 3 in the world there should have been a more experienced referee managing this match . And congratulations to Ireland .

2022-11-06T23:36:00+00:00

Atlas

Roar Rookie


Australia is currently ranked sixth. Followed by Wales, Argentina, Scotland, Japan in 10th. Rankings updated later today. Argentina's away win will I think take them 8th to 6th, Wallabies 7th fwiw.

2022-11-06T23:28:40+00:00

Objective

Guest


Australia went into that match 6th. Goes to show not a lot between the top 10 teams.

2022-11-06T21:19:10+00:00

Ankle-tapped Waterboy

Roar Rookie


Thanks Mick. A good read. >and, crucially, that they can deal with the pressure of favouritism. and, crucially, that they can deal with the pressure of being favourites/ favourites status. Fixed that for you, otherwise I would ask for the evidence of bias. Referees and officials appear to have been even-handed over the weekend. The only favouritism in rugby is the subject of the court case in France against the executives in the World Cup, and that's lawyers and prosecutors at twenty paces. Unless there's something in how the match draw was done for the November series, or you agree with Rassie's deleted tweet?

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