Ex-Wallaby reveals northern hemisphere tactic Aussies can't handle, Rennie says loss 'hurts everyone'

By Tony Harper / Editor

Dave Rennie’s post-match press conference following the historic loss to Italy was short. Short as in time, and short on detail as to how the Wallabies suffered a first-ever loss to Italy in 19 internationals across 39 years.

In the aftermath of Italy’s one-point win – in truth they should have been out of sight before Ben Donaldson’s conversion miss that might have produced an unjust Wallabies escape – the spotlight has already been turned on Rennie’s decision to make 11 changes from the team beaten by France last week.

There is no doubt Rennie has had more than his share of bad fortune and it struck again on match eve when a 12th change was forced by the withdrawal of Nick Frost – one of Australia’s best so far on tour.

Injuries to Tom Banks and Lalakai Foketi have been problems outside of Rennie’s making. But there is a creeping sense that the Wallabies’ discipline issues – they conceded 16 penalties to nine on Sunday – is something he can’t fix.

The 12 changes have already been seen in some quarters as arrogance and a sign the Wallabies underestimated their opponent.

“It’s not much more changes than we made the week before,” argued Rennie.

“There’s a couple of extra bodies that we would have played today had they not been injured from the French game. We picked squads along those lines, while they might have been tweaked a little bit, we looked at how we were going to give ourselves the best chance to win all five games on tour and we had a good enough side out on the paddock tonight to win.”

 (Photo by Timothy Rogers/Getty Images)

“They didn’t underestimate them,” said Justin Harrison on Stan Sport.

“What they’ve done is not met the passion that the Italians bring to the arena with skill execution and discipline. Discipline isn’t just not giving away penalties and being offside.

“Discipline to stay in your defensive formation, discipline to attack the line, discipline to keep players in motion, discipline to work off the ball, discipline to talk in defence. To work together and prepare for these situations.

“No one walks into a Test arena without absolute intent to meet the opponent with everything you’ve got. The difficulty tonight was 12 of those players haven’t played much Test rugby together. They weren’t good at finding a solution together under extreme pressure.”

Drew Mitchell called the mass changes “poor coaching”, while Morgan Tuirinui spotted something else – Australia’s inability to defend against a new style of attack from northern hemisphere teams.

“I think the results probably says that we need to question that,” Turinui said of the imapct of the changes.

“But I look at the team list and I think that’s a team that should have won the game.

“You can talk about the amount of time they spent together, play together, the combinations – there’s smarter people than I that work on the cohesive nature of all these lineups.

“I look at the talent in that team and I think some of the specific actions of individuals on the team cost them the game.

“But I also think the other side of it was Italy … we’ve seen a theme with the Wallaby defence a little bit this year that they’ve struggled with the very new nature of attack right around the world.

“There’s a real change in pitch and the Wallabies struggled last week against France and they struggled against Scotland.

“Two tries from Italy tonight and a couple of linebreaks were real changes of pictures. The Wallabies are not coping with that attacking shape. They’ve got a lot of work to do defensively.”

Here’s what Dave Rennie said

Rennie acknowledged Italy were well deserved winners.

“We didn’t play well enough to win. Turned over pill too much. Too many penalties. We gave him a little bit of a head start – 17-3 they get a lot of hope and enthusiasm and it brought the crowd into the game,” Rennie said.

“We were will aware of the strengths of the Italian side and we needed to start well and we didn’t.

“It’s hugely disappointing and not good enough. All I can say is that it’s hurting. You go into the change rooms and the boys are hurt. They know we’re better than that so I understand the frustration.

“It hurts everyone involved. We had a good enough side on the field. But we just gave up too many soft points and too much position and ended up position and territory eventually hit us.”

On the yellow card to Jake Gordon

The Waratahs No.9 had a forgettable game having been rotated into the starting lineup with Nic White rested altogether.

On 15 minutes Gordon cynically took out Tommaso Allan and paid with a stint in the sin bin.

“I’m not sure about the yellow card,” Rennie said.

Jake Gordon. (Photo by Timothy Rogers/Getty Images)

“I thought overall [referee Brendon Pickerill] did a pretty good job with the whistle. We’d been penalised a few times prior to that so maybe that had an influence.”

On Ben Donaldson’s state of mind

Donaldson had been on for less than five minutes in his debut when he had to step up with a chance to win the game. It was a big call from Rennie to remove Noah Lolesio with just five minutes to play, giving Donaldson no time at all to get into the game.

“It’s tough, you know. He’s hurting. We’ve definitely got an arm around him,” Rennie said. “You can always look at the last few seconds of the game but there’s a lot of things that we got wrong earlier on that put a dent in that situation and you’re trying to steal a game. We feel for him but it’s not the reason we lost today.”

On Lolesio’s performance

The Brumbies playmaker was given a big chance to impress but didn’t seize it. Not his fault, surmised Rennie, as he was asked about Lolesio’s kicking effectiveness.

“We didn’t kick enough in the first half – we barely kicked the ball at all – so we didn’t really have a chance to stress them and put them under heat,” said Rennie.

“Second half, probably at times we over kicked but they’re not Noah’s issues.

“I thought he was pretty composed, trained well all week in preparation. But we didn’t dominate up front as we would have hoped, didn’t get quick enough ball to  allow him to play flat and on top of the defensive line.”

On the Australian lineout

Folau Fainga’a and Lachie Lonergan both had issues with their throwing – an area in which rested Dave Porecki has excelled.

“I think our lineout’s excellent,” said Rennie. “We got a couple of things wrong but generally on an individual and not always the thrower.

“We’ll assess the whole game as to where we need to be better but overall our lineout and maul defence was very good but the collision area, the turnovers, the discipline hurt us.”

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The Crowd Says:

2022-11-13T23:32:48+00:00

Faith

Roar Rookie


Rennie likes thugby. Won with the Chiefs who were a rough mob in a kinder time and now the WBs have becme flat track bullies who get whistled off the park.

2022-11-13T23:01:59+00:00

Tycoch

Guest


“I’m not sure about the yellow card,” Rennie said. Well Dave how about - Gordon was late and shoulder charged

2022-11-13T23:00:37+00:00

sheek

Roar Guru


I've often wondered how every national coach since Eddie Jones, ie, circa 2005 onwards, eg, Connolly, Deans, McKenzie, Cheika & now Rennie, has been able to front the media after the same type of loss & try to explain a different set of parameters. Eventually you just have to admit the bleeding obvious - lack of collective talent, lack of collective skills & lack of collective discipline. It's been there ad nauseam since 2005, that's 17 years & counting.

2022-11-13T22:10:14+00:00

Extra Power

Roar Rookie


Just my thoughts here, I understand the professional era of coaches taking up tenues across the globe - but I'm still adamant selecting a Kiwi coach is the wrong option here. Something is way off with this bloke.

2022-11-13T22:01:03+00:00

Extra Power

Roar Rookie


The fact that a coach has to mention discipline has been better, staggers me to no end as i witness an ill discipled game.

2022-11-13T10:22:37+00:00

Prof_Kaos

Roar Rookie


It’s too easy to blame the coach for RAs issues, how many more are gonna be blamed then sacked? The issue in Aus has always been a small player pool. Combined with 20yrs of mismanagement, starting with O’Niel cutting funding at grass roots, the source of new players, turning the Wallabies from world beaters to a basket case in 2 decades. Its not the fault of the latest person (Kiwi) foolish enough to take the coaches job. Rennie’s mistake was not noting what happened to Robbie Deans, a recent fairly successful coach. In Aus the shortage of players means they called the shots and, with encouragement, revolted against Deans. The decline since the magnificent John Eales era is responsible, which is not Rennie’s fault, its RA’s. Now years of declining results have lost sponsors dollars and public support. The loss of public interest has meant fewer new players, (only briefly off-set by Pacifica imports). Round ‘n round we go.

2022-11-13T08:20:29+00:00

Chivas

Roar Rookie


Is a genius Jacko…

2022-11-13T07:58:49+00:00

CW Moss

Roar Rookie


And when I see the sign that points one way The lot we used to pass by every day Just walk away Renee You won't see me follow you back home

2022-11-13T07:53:21+00:00

Pete Samu's Tucked Shirt

Roar Rookie


What is with kiwi coaches always being so...bland and showing next to no emotion at all. I understand it's about managing pressure and keeping stoic and calm and seeking the positives but geez, even Ian Foster drawling on in post match conferences trying to be positive with his 'the other team got the lollies'crap annoys me. At least Cheika showed passion and that's what's missing: passion! I want to see a coach visibly upset and Chewing his players out by shaming them for poor performances. They're professional rugby players: they'll cop it and move on. Why Rennie continues to defend them is beyond me? Admit you made a selection blunder, call the poor players out and start showing some passion!

2022-11-13T07:50:22+00:00

Tim J

Roar Rookie


Only Rennie and co will know, you would think that going North would help to sort out the problem but obviously not.

2022-11-13T07:26:17+00:00

SDRedsFan

Roar Rookie


That's what it seems like isn't it. The other bewildering part is that these tactics obviously aren't working because we keep getting carded (red &/or yellow) and losing games because of it, so why persist with the tactic???

2022-11-13T07:23:27+00:00

Chopper

Roar Rookie


My problem with the Wallabies is for example both Tupo and Tate Mc are world class players who have gone backwards under Rennie. Their confidence has been destroyed. Players are being promoted above their skill level on heresay rather than on hard playing evidence. It's getting like GPS rugby ie if your parents do the work with the coaches your boy is in.

2022-11-13T07:22:10+00:00

Tim J

Roar Rookie


I agree SD, any rational coach would be on top of the discipline issues. Warn all players and then let them know that they will be dropped, this would get the message through. But I am wondering if Rennie is getting the players to go to the extremes knowing that he will publicly defend their actions, and his response is to play ignorant.

2022-11-13T07:05:56+00:00

SDRedsFan

Roar Rookie


There's something not right isn't there? Surely Jake Gordon knows he's going to be sent off for obstruction like that, or penalised at least, so there must be a message coming from the coaching staff to push the envelope on things like that. It just doesn't add up that as a team we are giving away those sorts of penalties week in, week out, consistently playing with 14 (or less) men, talking about it each week in the post game interviews, but the same things happen the next weekend. I just don't get it. The players must be more concerned about not pushing the envelope because of coacches instructions than they are about actually playing within the rules. There's just too many culprits and seemingly no repercussions from the selectors to indicate that it's nothing other than systemic to the Wallabies, so it must be coming from the coaches.

2022-11-13T06:54:05+00:00

Tim J

Roar Rookie


:laughing: :laughing: :thumbup:

2022-11-13T06:36:12+00:00

Tim J

Roar Rookie


I do not know about others but Rennie and his talk about discipline is just worthless, he is the one responsible and talk is cheap. I would like to know how many cards the team has received since he became coach? And for Australians that might not know, when Rennie was in charge at Waikato they had poor discipline and he stuck up for them also. He obviously is clueless about the laws and he needs to be sat down and taught them. Cards must be close to out doing his games as coach?

2022-11-13T05:41:03+00:00

humesy

Roar Rookie


Totally! We seem incapable of scoring from 5m out on our own throw. Every top side can do it 2 out of 5 times I reckon. We are flat out getting the throw in straight when the opportunity for a 5 pointer is there.

2022-11-13T02:54:28+00:00

signpost

Roar Rookie


#9 Jake Gordon was unable to extract anything special out of #10 Lolesio. Then #9 Tate Mc ran with #10 Lolesio. Overall Lolesio has played outside our three best #9's, Tate, Nick & Jake & not one can get the "really good man" to produce. We have wasted 16 tests on the 'lovely young man'. Shameful act to bring Donaldson on with 5min to play. Set up to fail and thereby not show how ineffective Lolesio is & not show how poor the selections & succession planning are. And not show how stubborn & shortsighted DR's crew. So I've come to the conclusion DR is "a really nice man" who does not have the skillset & like Lolesio should be set free as soon as we find somebody way better and that excludes McKellar.

2022-11-13T02:24:17+00:00

Andrew

Roar Rookie


To be fair my discipline wasn't too great on my European backpacking trip. I didn't play any rugby though, so was all good.

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2022-11-13T02:19:43+00:00

Tony Harper

Editor


Hey Adam, Dave fronts up after every match win or lose. Can't fault him for that.

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