Occasional violence part of double-edge sword of active fans but A-League right to crack down hard on Victory

By Mike Meehall Wood / Editor

The morning after the night before, one of this country’s most prominent sports columnists – to save the embarrassment, I won’t name them – began their column on the Melbourne derby incident with the line “it could only happen in Australian soccer”.

Suffice to say that columnist is not a fan of soccer, but evidently, they are also not a scholar of it, because a propensity for periodic outbursts of disorder is one of the few things that Australian soccer shares with the rest of the footballing world. On most other metrics, it is quite unique.

On the emotional level, this country clearly doesn’t rate the sport as highly as nearly everyone else on the planet, and on a structural level, it doesn’t really look like many other countries either.

Promotion and relegation are the sine quo non of football’s organisational structure, hardly anyone else operates a transnational league and we only play 26 fixtures, almost a third fewer than the 38 that is common in Europe. There’s the A-League, Major League Soccer in North America and, err, that’s it.

This might seem irrelevant to the discourse around Melbourne Victory’s ban, handed down yesterday by the Australian Professional Leagues and backed up by Football Australia, but it’s not.

For the record, Melbourne Victory were fined $550,000, their active fans were banned for the rest of the year from home and away games and a points deduction hangs over the clubs for any serious misbehaviour in the next three seasons.

The relationship between the league and fans, as played out to death in the last month, is at the heart of what is wrong with the A-League. The APL wants the league to be authentic to football and to Australia, but those things don’t really mix.

“Authentic” Aussie sports leagues like the NRL and AFL have neutral Grand Final venues in big central stadiums because they always did it like that and therefore it works, but such a thing is anathema when you need a partisan atmosphere to make the product sellable.

(Photo by Darrian Traynor/Getty Images)

When you have football you have the dickheads that come with it, and without those dickheads, you are the Big Bash League on a rectangular field, background entertainment masquerading as sport. In fact, even the Big Bash knows that they need to host their Grand Final with at least one team at home otherwise nobody would show up.

Unlike rugby league and Aussie rules, football does not exist in a vacuum and there is a huge sample size from around the globe to show that fan culture is football, whether the APL likes it or not.

APL sanctions are big stick behaviour, but really, it isn’t the stick they want to wield and, if anything, the best thing that could happen for their product is for more teams to have as many active fans as Melbourne Victory do.

The A-League actually love all the fan behaviour, even when it crosses the line. They shared images of active fans breaking the law repeatedly during Socceroos games.

They created their own content that exclusively focused on the active supporters to hype the first round back after the World Cup. They want the fans to be like that, but not like that.

It speaks to the two spirits of sokkah that need to live side-by-side, and since 2004, rarely have. Our football organisation is non-traditional and our fans are too.

You can’t profess undying love to a team that has only existed since 2004 in the same way that you can for the one that your father, your father’s father and your father’s father’s father supported.  

What you can do, however, is attempt to recreate the conditions that you see in places where that is true and ape them to the best of your ability. YouTube ultras are a thing.

The tradition, such as it is, among engaged football fans worldwide is to take it absolutely up to the edge and then wheel back. The whole thing is largely performative, until it isn’t, and is based around what sociologists called the threshold model of collective behaviour.

In short, the theory is thus: most people have some capacity to do things that are illegal if enough other people are willing to do it too.

That is enhanced by those people being young, male and drunk, which they often are at football matches, and enhanced further in a way that no other sport comes close to because the best way to predict future disorder is previous disorder and football has gone hand in hand with violence since its inception.

Our football culture is young and largely inauthentic compared to established football nations and thus the threshold for the sort of scenes that we got a taste of in the Melbourne derby is very high for participants.

Their innate Australianness outweighs their footballness, for want of a better phrase, and in Australia, even our biggest derbies are unsegregated.

Here’s a perfect example: I was at Victory’s game against Macarthur just a week before the incident, and as I got off the train at Leumeah, I saw the travelling Vuck active group hurling abuse at a Bulls fan, giving it the big one and offering him out.

Though the Bulls fan took the bait, nobody was actually interested in fighting. It was football fan cosplay and a little bit farcical.

I spent more than a decade watching that incident take place in England, Scotland, Germany and the Netherlands and can assure you that the farce is better than the alternative.

That incident is a fight 100% of the time in proper football cultures, because the threshold is set differently and the societal expectations kick in. You don’t want to be all jacket and no dancing.

(Photo credit should read Chris Putnam/Future Publishing via Getty Images)

This is relevant because, a week later, the threshold was markedly different. The ‘f— you’ mentality that fuels young men in these groups was turned up to eleven by the APL’s Grand Final decision.

It was then accelerated further by a derby game. Then further still by home turf, then further by bigger numbers and a national TV audience. The threshold was on the floor.

Look at the kids in that photo, by the way. They’re kids, for one, and loving the chance to transgress publically as plenty young lads do. They probably go to watch Carlton and Collingwood innocently, too, but at Victory, they get to act differently because it’s football.

Football inherently lowers its own threshold through reputation. Imagine those lads were in Fed Square a week before, where similar behaviour was not just allowed but lauded around the world as proof that Australian football was real.

The subcultural element of all this factors in massively. Aussie fans know exactly what they are doing on that level, and thus they know the expectations of what they are doing. You sometimes have to be in the subculture – in my case, to have grown up around it in the UK – to appreciate it.

The average punter wouldn’t see a thing, because that’s what subcultures are all about. Those kids probably don’t see it either, but it only takes a tiny group that do – ‘a small minority of idiots’ is the British tabloid’s favourite phrase – to lead a much larger group over the threshold hurdle.

Here’s an example: I was at Vuck’s first game of the year, away at Sydney FC, and I jokingly sent a photo to my partner of the shoes of all the men in the queue for the toilet at the Captain Cook Hotel before the game: they were all wearing Adidas Spezials, the same as I was. There’s a dress code.

Original Style Melbourne (OSM), the leading active group at Victory, talk a lot – a lot, a lot – in the language of European ultras, perhaps more so than any other Australian group, and while groups over there love a statement on any passing political issue, even they would have thought the five that came out of OSM prior to the derby – and the two afterwards – were a little over the top.

Having a kick-off with your FA is catnip to these people, whatever continent they live on, because ‘no al calcio moderna’ – ‘no to modern football’ – is the foundational statement of the whole subculture.

That’s the point, by the way. The A-Leagues are inherently, necessarily modern football, because they were founded in 2004, as were most of their clubs.

Modern football, however, is totally unpalatable to the sort of fan that actually makes football stand out from any other sport in Australia.

Without that kind of fan to create an engaging live experience, Australian football is just second-rate football. It’s the Big Bash against the IPL. It’s meaningless.

The APL know they cannot sell football to the Australian public without the fans. But they also can’t sell it with the fans if they act like they did.

To be fair to them, the English, German, Brazilian, Argentinian or wherever else authorities would also struggle to sell that, but they can distance themselves from their fans because they have over a hundred years of history, understanding and embedded culture.

They can set themselves apart because football won’t die in their country. English club football had a red hot crack at killing itself for most of the 1980s, guess what: it came back stronger than ever.

The fans themselves, deep down, know that the No To Modern Football stuff is nonsense in Australia. The only authentic bit of Original Style Melbourne is that they are from Melbourne: nothing about their style is original.

Every bit is cleaved off someone else, from the chants to the logos to the posturing to the clothes. It might be the most authentic iteration of it in Australia, but in football fan culture terms, that’s like being the tallest dwarf.

Tom Glover picks up a flare to remove it from the pitch. (Photo by Darrian Traynor/Getty Images)

The sanction won’t stop this, by the way. It might raise the threshold for a bit but, over time, it will come down again.

As long as you have active football fans, you will have violence sometimes, and if you want to make football in Australia something that people might actually want to turn up and pay money to watch, then you need active fans.  

Aussie football fans rightly point out that the rates of arrests at A League games are no higher than NRL or AFL – and might indeed be lower – but that’s not really the point.

Incidentally, if A-League fans think their games are over-policed, I invite them to watch a fourth-division derby in the UK or Germany and tell me if they think they have too many cops here.

Violence at A-League fixtures doesn’t come in the context of half a century of televised violence associated with the sport. Other countries have decades of tolerance for football violence that Australia doesn’t. A 20-a-side brawl on a Berlin train station doesn’t even make the paper, in Sydney it would headline the news.

This is the world that the APL have to make work. They want to have their cake and eat it with the fans but fans are a double-edged sword.

You don’t get the Fed Square scenes without the Melbourne derby scenes from time to time too. Everywhere else in the world figured that out years ago.

So they do what they have to do with sanctions and bans, but let’s be honest: they’ll be back. This will happen again.

The Crowd Says:

2023-01-24T23:46:56+00:00

Punter

Roar Rookie


I don't pretend anything, I just prefer football as a sport, it's that simple. AFL is unique, but so is Kabbai, Sumo Wrestling, Underwater Hockey & Sepaktakraw, so it's not unique in that there are many unique sports.

2023-01-15T22:01:10+00:00

Munro Mike

Roar Rookie


A sprawling apologist piece for the d!ckheads. Mate - - did you not hear the police stating that for the Melb Derby they have more police at AAMI Park than a full house at the MCG. as far as arrests/evictions go - - work it out on the comparison of attendees vs time in attendance. And for what reasons. re the support culture - - part of the problem still seems to be the young male domination of these groups. Macho male mob mentality.

2023-01-13T12:41:34+00:00

Grand Panjandrum

Guest


As opposed to you, a fan who spends his whole life trying to pretend he belongs with the big boys in Europe. Criticise AFL all you like, but it's unique.

2023-01-13T10:20:12+00:00

Dennis

Guest


Monty python nailed what? What astonishing bad choices? What schisms? Nobody wants to face up to what? You wrote some great one liners but the comments are not supported by any facts.

2023-01-13T07:28:07+00:00

Punter

Roar Rookie


You are mixing ultras with active fans. I know it's confusing when you follow a sport that only goes 'insert team name' clap clap clap & a sport that struggles outside it's heartland.

2023-01-13T02:33:34+00:00

andyfnq

Roar Rookie


"Ultra" style behaviour has no place in any Australian sport. You do not need that behaviour to have passionate support, as Australia's other sporting codes demonstrate season after season. And while I don't watch all their games, I haven't seen flares when the Matildas play, and they have plenty of passionate fans. So let's not hear excuses for antisocial behaviour - violence, flares, the lot of it. Any sport that needs that for atmosphere is not worth following.

2023-01-12T20:53:45+00:00

chris

Guest


Mike and David not sure if you've read The Football Factory. The scenarios you described with Millwall, Coventry etc are straight out of the book. Our socio-economic status would never resemble England in the 70s and 80s, so the hotbed of where these ultras propagate just doesn't exist. But yes a 2 edged sword for sure. Football doesn't live in a vacuum here and so the want to mimic what the big boys do in Europe and South America must just be too strong for some of these dim wits.

2023-01-12T20:46:57+00:00

chris

Guest


Excellent article. 100% correct.

2023-01-12T11:12:55+00:00

AR

Guest


Bingo. I can understand men in poor areas of UK, Europe and Sth America etc gathering on weekends to vent about their shitty lives at soccer matches, but in million dollar perfect weather middle class Australia..? Please. The ones here are all try hards.

2023-01-12T09:44:51+00:00

Buddy

Roar Rookie


It really is about cost. A non league game - say NPL for arguments sake costs 20 to 25 dollars to get in and the facilities are not very good although you can get a cup of coffee in a china mug at most grounds and a piece of cake! Most people here agree that the crowds are made up of older people as they have the money.

2023-01-12T09:42:17+00:00

Buddy

Roar Rookie


Without exception, everyone here I’ve spoken to about fan groups laughs and “takes the Mickey” out of Palace fans. They are considered to be the plastic active support that the authorities are trying to encourage in the A league. They do as they are told by the club and turn up and sing from a song sheet that has no correlation with anything going on during the game….that aspect is frowned upon as it is believed that chants and songs should reflect whatever is happening in the 90 minutes. They are not “ultras” in terms of violence, menace or trouble…those days have passed by. There is so much CCTV here you can’t blink without it Bering caught on camera.

2023-01-12T08:49:02+00:00

Maximus Insight

Guest


I guess that’s my point. I don’t get how you can argue it both ways. Once you’ve acknowledged that the A-League active support (at least the part of it that is just aping south eastern European ultras) is completely inauthentic how can you think it is critical to the game? Clearly the families that have been going to watch the Victory in the bleechers since inception are authentic. It takes a massive amount of “cognitive bias” (to put it politely) to believe that a casual fan is experiencing more atmosphere at a 10K A League game than at a close finishing 30 to 90,000 AFL match in the first instance. But once you have acknowledged these faux ultras are just that, how do you still keep with the “standalone/unique selling point" myth? It is like not believing in Santa Clause anymore but still thinking little elves are going to be delivering you Christmas presents again. Everyone else already sees this Anyone being attracted to the A League in significant numbers because of faux ultra elements in active support are young males. For nearly all of those, their involvement is transitional. Intergenerational connection is what both grows and sustains. The best strategy for the APL (really two franchises in Melbourne and one in Sydney) is to de-ultrafy their active areas.

2023-01-12T06:38:13+00:00

John Kelly

Guest


I went to watch Hertha Berlin a few years ago, definitely a poor team by Bundesliga standards but their Ultra section was something else and created a brilliant atmosphere in the huge Olympic Stadium. The games are extremely well policed and I didn’t see any trouble before/during or after the game, the Ultras in this case were a welcome addition to the game. I am not condoning violence in any way, I’m a former UK cop and have policed many a game and when it goes off, it’s horrendous and has no place in the game. I wouldn’t like to see the same level of policing here as in the UK but I would warmly welcome a similar atmosphere.

2023-01-12T06:37:19+00:00

Marcel

Guest


:thumbup:

2023-01-12T06:30:17+00:00

Roberto Bettega

Roar Rookie


It's probably one which can be argued both ways, but I do remember a story from about 12 years ago. A club in the Turkish league had some crowd trouble, and all males were banned from attending their home games. They sold out the stadium to a female audience (and I think boys under 12 were allowed to attend as well).

2023-01-12T06:24:08+00:00

Maximus Insight

Guest


The analysis in this article is clearly high quality but I do not agree with the conclusion at all. Is there any evidence that the self-consciously generated atmosphere created by the active groups attracts any significant number of attendees and viewers beyond the young males that want to be a part of it? The only people who seem to buy into the idea that these guys make the A League "stand out from any other sport in Australia" in a way that helps with the long term growth and health of the competition (apart from those directly involved) seem to be middle-aged types very committed to the A League. Do you really think that casual fans are going back for more because they are enthralled by the 1200 mainly young men in their teens and early 20s chanting about how they are "insert franchise till they die? Also, where are all the young males from the first few years of the A League that filled those areas? I don't know how you can reconcile the fact that these groups are "inauthentic" and "farcical" but still think they are critical to the League's future growth. If there was far higher level of regulation of these areas you would perhaps lose some of the rawness of the atmosphere but at little to no cost to the potential of the league.

2023-01-12T03:51:41+00:00

Brainstrust

Roar Rookie


Flares are safer outdoors and of course if they are not thrown. A stadium while it is not the same as indoors as that Argentinian disaster where all those people died its still dangerous. More to the point if you know you can get away with it outdoors then light them outside and pose for you ultras hools photos out there. The problem is the clubs are punished not the flare lighters, 1 year min jail and 1 million personal fine on top of that will eliminate this issue easily.

2023-01-12T03:12:19+00:00

matth

Roar Guru


I don't think it makes you or me 'outside football', but I'm responding to the inference in the article that 'boys will be boys' and fan violence (or at least the threat thereof) is part of what makes football. The main concern for me is that the a-league can't pander just to a sub-culture if they don't have a solid base.

2023-01-12T02:35:06+00:00

Adam

Roar Guru


Yeah I couldn't see it yesterday but can today.

2023-01-12T01:44:19+00:00

Grand Panjandrum

Guest


I generally take pity on these people that the only thing that they've got going in their life is a football team.

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