Confirmed: Savea banned by Super Rugby Judiciary for throat-slit gesture

By Christy Doran / Editor

All Blacks star Ardie Savea has been banned for one week for his throat-slit gesture against the Rebels.

The Hurricanes captain performed the gesture as he made his way off AAMI Park after being shown a yellow card for his role in a skirmish against the Rebels on the stroke of half-time.

After some lip from Ryan Louwrens, Savea aimed the throat-slitting gesture towards the Rebels halfback.

The action went viral across the internet, as departing Wallaby Reece Hodge told referee James Doleman: “He’s threatened to kill him”.

Savea later apologised for his action and said it was out of character and added that it was a “warrior game” and he lost control in the heat of the action.

On Saturday night, he was cited for contravening Law 9.27: “A player must not do anything that is against the spirit of good sportsmanship.”

Ardie Savea will fight charges at a SANZAAR Judiciary Hearing on Tuesday night after his throat-slitting gesture caused a storm on March 03, 2023, in Melbourne. Photo: Quinn Rooney/Getty Images

On Tuesday night, the SANZAAR Justiciary Hearing found Savea in breach of Disciplinary Rule 6.1 and was issued a warning.

Although the throat-slitting gesture was not found to breach the red card threshold, the fact that he had already been shown a yellow card and was issued with a warning meant the two combined meant he would be treated as if he was sent off.

SANZAAR Disciplinary Rule 6.1 states: “6.1: If a Player has received two Warnings or a combination of a Warning and a yellow card during a Match, he shall be treated for disciplinary purposes as if he had been sent off.”

As a result, Savea was suspended for one week.

“The Foul Play Review Committee conducted a detailed review of all the available evidence, and oral submissions from his legal representative, Mr Aaron Lloyd,” Nigel Hampton KC ruled.
 
“With respect to sanction the Foul Play Review Committee ruled, after considering a number of factors, including the guidance of World Rugby Regulation 17 Appendix 4, and due to the nature of the Player’s persistent offending, with both the Yellow Card and the Warning being issued for unsportsmanlike play, that an appropriate sanction for the Player would be a suspension of 1 week.
 
“That was accepted by the player, and the player is therefore suspended for 1 week, up to and including Saturday 11 March 2023.”

Earlier, All Blacks great Andrew Mehrtens believed Savea was “sincere” in his apology and hope the charge was dropped, while respected pundit Morgan Turinui agreed despite believing it was a poor look.

“I thought it was really poor from Ardie at the time,” Turinui told Stan Sport’s Between Two Posts.

“I do think it is on the edge of lots of things we see in the game, it is a combat sport rugby. You need to physically dominate your opposition to win games. It is that line of pseudo-violence and brutality, and these are words that teams use. The Wallabies use the word brutality as a way that they prepare for a game.

“But what I loved was that he got to the end of the game, Drew Mitchell interviews him, he puts his hand up, he said, ‘I’m better than that.’ And you know what, I’m going to judge him for his 15 years of positive involvements in the game and being an absolute superstar and a great leader and human-being, and one little off-the-cuff mark in the heat of the battle, I think yellow card’s about right.

“Let’s move on and enjoy the rugby. I wouldn’t be sanctioning him any further.”

All Blacks legend Sir John Kirwan agreed.

“No, total mistake from Ardie but he fronted up straight away and apologised,” Kirwan told Sky’s The Breakdown panel.

“It should not go to judicial, I believe. We want to send a strong message to kids, but that was it [his apology], ‘I’m sorry, I made a mistake, I wasn’t good enough and I need to get better’, that’s what you want from your leaders.

“We need to be a bit careful too as sometimes we make those gestures during the haka. Like he said it is a warrior [moment].

“Did he make a mistake? Yes. Do we want to see it in our game? No. But he apologised and did that really well.”

All Blacks’ coaching race heats up as a third player emerges

Meanwhile, a two-horse race to become Ian Foster’s successor appears to have a third contender.

Reports across the ditch say Foster’s assistant, Joe Schmidt, is strongly considering throwing his hat in the ring to become the next All Blacks coach.

Hitherto, Crusaders coach Scott Robertson and Japan’s widely respected coach, Jamie Joseph, have been the only two players in the game to take over from Foster.

But following New Zealand Rugby’s announcement last week that the governing body hopes to appoint Foster’s successor in the next “four to six weeks”, Schmidt is seemingly weighing up a late run.

Assistant coach Joe Schmidt is reportedly strongly weighing up throwing his hat in the ring to coach the All Blacks next year. Photo: Hannah Peters/Getty Images

While Robertson is the strong favourite, having been lined up to take over from Foster had the All Blacks lost back-to-back Tests in South Africa last year, Schmidt, like Joseph, is widely respected.

The 57-year-old coached Ireland through two World Cups and while he didn’t manage to get through to the final four in either campaign, he saw the Irish reach the top on World Rugby’s standings.

He also spearheaded Ireland to victories over the All Blacks in Chicago and Dublin.

Schmidt was also credited with overseeing Leinster’s rise to the top of European rugby, and that overseas experience is highly valued.

Stuff.co and the New Zealand Herald report that Schmidt is well respected by the the playing group.

Wallabies’ World Cup boost

Just days after Eddie Jones seemingly said Quade Cooper was firmly in his World Cup plans, the soon-to-be 35-year-old took his first major steps towards returning to action.

The Kintetsu Liners playmaker, who didn’t lose a Test under Dave Rennie in six matches but had his campaign cruelly cut short by a season-ending Achilles injury last August, has run for the first time since his major injury setback.

Cooper posted on his social media vision of him running for the first time.

The sight is a major boost for the Wallabies’ World Cup campaign, with the veteran playmaker showing a new-found maturity in his game since his stunning comeback to the international arena in 2021.

On Sunday, Jones said he had spoken to Cooper recently and appeared to lock in him as one of three playmakers during an interview on the ABC’s Offsiders.

“He’s recovering well. I had a quick chat in Brisbane. He looked full of beans,” Jones told Offsiders.

“He’s going back to play for his club in Japan, Kintetsu, who aren’t doing too well. They haven’t won a game, so they need a bit of Quade magic. So to get his confidence back, get them to win a few games and we’ll see where he can take us.”

Pressed on the No.10 jersey, Jones said the Springboks’ World Cup success had broken all the rules and he wouldn’t be guided by history.

“In 2019, before Rassie [Erasmus] took over South Africa in 2018, they were winning less than 40 per cent of their games. No team has won the World Cup losing a game before South Africa, so there’s the opportunity to do different things,” he said.

“We’ll need to have three 10s at the World Cup. Quade could be one of them, could be one of them, and the other two spots are wide open.”

The Crowd Says:

2023-03-11T00:19:00+00:00

Cadfael

Roar Guru


Earlier the pundits were talking a 4 week or more ban. This is probably the better outcome.

2023-03-10T03:40:50+00:00

Paulo

Roar Rookie


Let’s just agree, you think the action would be perceived as way worse than I do. Because I believe in context and that most people would understand that context. You don’t. Fair enough. You think an apology is enough, I think a YC is about right. Which means it’s 2x YCs, so equals a RC and so a week is about right. Neither one of us is changing the others mind or gaining anything from this. Time the next round, I’m sure we’ll find something else to disagree about this weekend :silly:

2023-03-10T03:34:13+00:00

LBJ

Roar Rookie


That mums are steering their kids away from rugby? That's well established - not contraversial at all.

2023-03-09T19:44:35+00:00

Cec

Roar Rookie


Who, dual code players like Thorn & Farrell? Nah you’re wrong there, we’d have far more notable league coaches in our game which simply is not the case. With Hodgo specifically, I anticipate EJ will only have him teaching line speed, reloading & d-lines so fitness related skills in defence patterns. But do you really think he’ll be coaching the ruck & maul or the pendulum & kicking in defence? The ruck in particular, being very unique to our game & key given the number of contests for the ball on the ground. Heck even the tackle technique is different between the codes & the league style would lead to more cards given our laws & tmo. Common sense would see Hodgo as only the “defensive line coach” as he’s only a leaguie. EJ needed to name someone on his coaching team after DMcK said “No” :laughing:

2023-03-09T11:21:12+00:00

ClarkeG

Roar Guru


And the most disliked players....and the grubbiest.

2023-03-09T11:16:14+00:00

ClarkeG

Roar Guru


Really? Are you for real? Do you take this sort of stuff seriously? "Most disliked player" .. "the grubbiest player" Make up your mind ... which one is it. Is that the same poll he was voted as the third-most respected player in NZ behind Cane and Retallick who himself just happened to take 2nd place behind Coles in the first one. What were some of the other notable questions in the poll.....who has the worst haircut, who has the best bronco time, whos the worst dresser......

2023-03-09T10:37:07+00:00

ClarkeG

Roar Guru


It's an odd one. The only time I hear of the "underarm" is when some person from Australia says the NZers can't let it go. Well we can and have but if the odd person from Australia is going to keep bringing it up ....well.....we can talk about it if you like.

2023-03-09T09:31:52+00:00

James584

Roar Rookie


‘universal’. Where did I say that? You are very keen to abuse me personally and put me down. And to misrepresent my posts. Do you think that strengthens your argument? The gesture has a meaning for many people watching the telecast. There is no nusance to that. It’s a fact. It means ‘your dead’ to them.Are you willing to admit that meaning or do you deny it? So you say he had a different meaning? Ok. What was it and how exactly do you derive the meaning you claim from the gesture and the man’s own words? You really saying he was sending the same message as the one that has been described for the Haka? What is it, exactly? And how does it fit with the man’s own words. He said the message was ’I am going to smash you when I came back on’? That’s a threat, isn’t it? So, you believe an admitted threat using a gesture that has violent and even murderous implications for some people, a significant proportion of people, is perfectly ok? Rightio mate. But I don’t. And I think a genuine apology would suffice. But I don’t decide the sanction.

2023-03-09T08:31:52+00:00

Locke

Roar Rookie


'The bell incident was to illustrate a citing and subsequent dismissal doesn’t have a profound impact afterwards' I'm not sure what your point is Paulo. Sanctions\punishments clearly have an profound impact on human behavior as a whole. In Bell's case the lack of a sanction was probably considered to be an aberration by most observers and as such it's outcome had no impact.

2023-03-09T07:20:49+00:00

Andy J

Roar Rookie


I think you’re wrong the league coaches especially defensive ones have shown to be very successful in the past.

2023-03-09T06:49:23+00:00

Jacko

Roar Rookie


No argument from me Scrum but when the person doing it is from that culture then I reckon its safe to presume they are coming from that cultural perspective. Eg a person from another place can't claim that cultural meaning but some one of that culture can.

2023-03-09T06:46:19+00:00

Jacko

Roar Rookie


What insinuation? Its a question.

2023-03-09T06:45:40+00:00

Cec

Roar Rookie


@Bodger, Schmidt came on board just a few days before the Irish series started so I would question what impact he really had in influencing those three games over 2-3 weeks. If you count that Irish series the ABs with Foz/Joe went 8W 4L 1D. If you remove that Irish series and consider his influence grew thereafter, and so did the ABs play, they went 7W 2L 1D. Either way that would be a WB dream year and an AB sub par result. I feel ABs were just fine with two head coaches (& NZ is not ENG). Just acknowledging that NZ are blessed for local coaching choices compared to AUS.

2023-03-09T06:24:19+00:00

Cec

Roar Rookie


The comment was with perspective to whom the ABs have to choose from & that is all. Up to you if you want to take it as league bashing. Their contributions to our game is minuscule relative to rugby folk.

2023-03-09T04:55:50+00:00

scrum

Roar Rookie


The majority of people- and you cannot expect everybody to be aware of Māori culture especially non Kiwis, there is no reason they should be- would see it as very aggressive and threatening action. I doubt the “ whole rugby world” is aware of Māori culture, and was this throat slitting gesture always part of Māori culture or is it a recent invention. And to repeat my statement- if other cultures find that gesture offensive should that not be accepted as argument that it is not used or do other cultures have to bow down.

2023-03-09T04:14:18+00:00

Cannonball

Roar Rookie


Sorry, the typo was funny so I left it as it was… :thumbup:

2023-03-09T04:13:39+00:00

Cannonball

Roar Rookie


You don’t happen to work for a “tabloid” paper do you Hacko? That’s up there with “Some people say” :laughing:

2023-03-09T01:11:38+00:00

GusTee

Roar Pro


Are you able to offer any evidence to support the propositions you make? I suspect not.

2023-03-08T23:40:12+00:00

AndyS

Guest


Does it? I would be interested to see some independent reference for that pre-dating Kapa O Pango, as when it all blew up around that the first time the bloke who created it said "The action that is across the chest/neck, TO ME represents hauora - acknowledging the first breath of life..." - i.e. he came up with it, justifying it as an aesthetic choice of action by tying it to a concept that did pre-exist. https://rugby365.com/tournaments/british-irish-lions/haka-creator-defends-throat-cut-gesture/

2023-03-08T23:06:30+00:00

LBJ

Roar Rookie


The haka is a cultural moment - and you'll note that version no longer exists in a rugby setting. And yes, the mums are speaking for themselves - by walking away...

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