Changing NRL points system worth a try because current ladder format is flawed

By Paul Suttor / Expert

If you look at the NRL ladder as it stands, the Panthers are running third yet they’ve got a worse record than four of the teams listed below them on the competition table.

How is it so that the premiers are that many rungs higher than where they should be? The anachronistic system for deciding the ladder awards two arbitrary points for a bye.

That has never made sense. A team’s points tally is inflated because they the weekend off. 

There is literally no point so no points should be awarded.

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It’s not just because the Dolphins have been added to the competition and there is now an odd number of teams at 17. 

(Photo by Bradley Kanaris/Getty Images)

Two byes were awarded to each team prior to this year because of the split rounds to fit in the representative schedule but this season they now get three in a 27-round season so that State of Origin can be run on three Wednesday nights after the standalone Sunday fixture was kyboshed. 

Irrespective of whether points are awarded for the bye or not, the only true way to see how each team is travelling is their win percentage, like we see in US sports where a three-digit percentage of a perfect 1000 record is listed in their standings. 

NRL ladder after Round 8

Team Points Record For & Against
1. Broncos 14 7-1 +228
2. Sea Eagles 11 4-1-2 +12
3. Panthers 10 4-3 +76
4. Rabbitohs 10 5-3 +52
5. Sharks 10 4-3 +44
6. Storm 10 5-3 +24
7. Warriors 10 5-3 +8
8. Dolphins 10 5-3 -10
9. Roosters 10 4-3 -21
10. Titans 8 3-4 -27
11. Knights 7 3-1-4 -5
12. Eels 6 3-5 +3
13. Dragons 6 2-5 -23
14. Cowboys 6 3-5 -30
15. Raiders 6 3-4 -42
16. Bulldogs 6 3-5 -81
17. Tigers 2 0-7 -76

If that system was in operation in the NRL, the Rabbitohs, Storm, Dolphins, Warriors would be listed at 0.625 courtesy of their 5-3 record, ahead of the Panthers and Sharks, who have gone 4-3 in their seven outings. 

It would also show that the Dragons have the second-worst record and should be three slots lower in in 16th while it’s not as bad as it seems for the Raiders, who should be three spots the other way at 12th.

How a percentage-based ladder would look

Team Points Record For & Against
1. Broncos 0.875 7-1 +228
2. Sea Eagles 0.667 4-1-2 +12
3. Rabbitohs 0.625 5-3 +52
4. Storm 0.625 5-3 +24
5. Warriors 0.625 5-3 +8
6. Dolphins 0.625 5-3 -10
7. Panthers 0.571 4-3 +76
8. Sharks 0.571 4-3 +44
9. Roosters 0.571 4-3 -21
10. Titans 0.429 3-4 -27
11. Knights 0.429 3-1-4 -5
12. Raiders 0.429 3-4 -42
13. Eels 0.375 3-5 +3
14. Cowboys 0.375 3-5 -30
15. Bulldogs 0.375 3-5 -81
16. Dragons 0.286 2-5 -23
17. Tigers 0.000 0-7 -76

Of course at the end of the season, the current ladder system finally becomes a true reflection of where each team is positioned based on their win-loss record but that’s not the point – for the first 26 rounds it’s inherently inaccurate.

And if any Wests Tigers fans are wondering, whichever system you use, they are stone, cold motherless last and the two points next to their name for the bye is the NRL equivalent of a participation ribbon. 

Should a team get a point for loss in extra time?

Another scoring system which has been floated on and off for several years but has re-entered the NRL’s endless debate recently is whether teams should be rewarded for a loss in extra time. 

It’s a relatively simplistic alternative to the current set-up. A winning team would get four points, they’d get three if they get up in extra time, each side receives two if they’re still deadlocked after the golden-point period, a team losing in extra time gets one while if you lose inside 80 minutes, you get nada. 

In theory it’s a fairer system in that for the first 80-plus years of the premiership, a team would at least get a point if they were level on the scoreboard after 80 minutes. 

It has been two decades since the golden-point system was introduced and there is no consensus – and never will be – on whether it’s an improvement or impediment. 

Nathan Cleary kicks the winning field goal in golden point to beat Newcastle in extra time in Round 7. (Photo by Brendon Thorne/Getty Images)

The argument against introducing a points system which gives a team a point if they lose in the golden-point period is that it rewards mediocrity. 

In most other sports if a team loses in extra time, they don’t get rewarded on the standings. 

If a team enters the extra 10 minutes of play knowing they have already earned a competition point, will they play more conservatively in trying to force a draw or would they throw more caution to the wind knowing that another two points are on offer, basically a 3-1 split of the available points, if they get the win?

It’s hard to predict either way until we see it in action but coaches generally err on the side of caution when confronted with a 50-50 scenario.

In the past few years teams have tended to be more conservative in the way they approach extra time.

Teams will often kick to the corners rather than risk a long-range field goal in the hope of forcing an error to win the field position battle and then trying their chances with a one-pointer. 

There is a lot of opposition to the golden-point system and this may be an unpopular opinion, but it’s better than settling for a draw. 

The helter-skelter of the extra 10 minutes is entertaining. It’s often not very skilful or well constructed but the all or nothing nature of it gets fans engaged and adds to the excitement value of the sport. 

So changing the system to one which rewards a team for “not losing” at the end of 80 minutes could have an unintended consequence of devaluing the importance and win at all costs nature which puts fans on the edge of their seats in extra time.

And the good folk at AAP crunched the numbers and found that over the past decade, even if the alternative system had been used, there would have been minimal impact to the end-of-season ladder positions. 

They found that the only changes of consequence would have been Cronulla moving from fourth to first in 2018, while South Sydney and Manly would have gone from second to first in 2013 and 2014 respectively.

The NRL has shown little inclination in altering the system so don’t expect change to happen any time soon. 

The Crowd Says:

2023-04-27T13:57:26+00:00

Gus O

Roar Rookie


I agree that both teams get a point if scores are level at end of regular time. i hate that one team goes home empty handed. Seems totally justified. I think the golden point drop-goal-athon is garbage, but I know others who love it. I disagree with anything that is disadvantageous for St G… so 2 points for the bye has to stay until the completion of Round 20, after which I am 100% in favour of scrapping the ridiculous gift of 2 points for staying in bed for the weekend.

2023-04-27T11:50:00+00:00

David Roderick

Roar Rookie


The player with the ball is the most dangerous player on the field. (I heard someone say that once.) If you let the dummy half score you should be punished for your stupidity ... perhaps double points for the try and you have to run some laps.

2023-04-26T20:57:03+00:00

trick

Roar Rookie


i agree. no way Manly are the second best team at the moment.Manly will be lucky to make the eight.i follow Manly ,and a lot of my mates also follow them .they agree ,Manly very lucky to be up there.

2023-04-26T08:24:05+00:00

Warren Turner

Roar Rookie


Get rid of bloody Golden Point!

2023-04-26T07:27:38+00:00

Ben Pobjie

Expert


If another team can get an extra point that you don’t get, that is something to lose.

AUTHOR

2023-04-26T05:42:36+00:00

Paul Suttor

Expert


by my count, this is now option 23 in the various alternatives

2023-04-26T05:08:37+00:00

Ben Pobjie

Expert


I’m not having a go, I genuinely want to see this happen

2023-04-26T04:47:51+00:00

Sports Prophet

Roar Pro


That’s what we call a Roar Rookie Error.

2023-04-26T04:46:15+00:00

Sports Prophet

Roar Pro


I agree the points for a bye is stupid, but, that percentage table is an atrocity. I would need to run mental calculations to determine how many wins I am behind. At the latter end of the season, that’s difficult. The better method with percentage is to note how many Games Behind a team is from the team above them. If you are behind on the table by one win but have an extra game to play in hand (because you had a bye earlier) then you would show as 0.5 game behind. If you had played the same number of games and still one win behind, then… you guessed it, your team is 1 game behind.

2023-04-26T04:26:29+00:00

KenW

Roar Rookie


The percentage ladder seems a complex solution to a problem that doesn't really exist. I understand that it's useful in American basketball, etc, where teams play multiple times per week and have routinely played differing amounts of games. Seems overkill here to go away from our simple system just for the small distortion of a couple of byes.

AUTHOR

2023-04-26T04:16:42+00:00

Paul Suttor

Expert


you couldnt have a situation where a skilful try off a kick gets lesser value than someone barging over from dummy half

AUTHOR

2023-04-26T04:15:16+00:00

Paul Suttor

Expert


you sir are a hater! why dont you write a column about why the extra time system sucks ... with a well-crafted headline like Golden point is pointless - it's a solution to a problem that never existed and should be scrapped

2023-04-26T02:56:37+00:00

The Spectator

Roar Guru


Who’s up for NFL style reffing dropping flags more officials and getting the right bloody ruling, last weekend Some calls my goodness. It’s not that hard!

2023-04-26T02:51:42+00:00

The Spectator

Roar Guru


Oh and bonus points for a biff! Bring back the biff and ban hand bags and jersey punches.!

2023-04-26T02:50:59+00:00

Ben Pobjie

Expert


What about giving the team that loses in golden point four points and the team that wins none, so we get the entertainment of seeing both teams desperately trying to force the other team to score?

2023-04-26T02:49:06+00:00

The Spectator

Roar Guru


If after 80 mins we go to golden point and both teams get a point for the draw then an extra point awarded to the winner is on offer that does reward a loser so no. Extra time of 10 mins each way would create a winner worth watching not a kickathon golden point delivers and I would love to see golden try to end extra time or if a penalty goal or field ends separating them on completion then a winner hAs arrived, Bloody kickathon, it’s not fair dinkum.!

2023-04-26T01:12:57+00:00

Duncan Smith

Roar Guru


If they're going to keep golden point, the 'losing' team should retain the point they earned over the actual 80 minutes of the game.

2023-04-26T00:27:57+00:00

astro

Roar Rookie


Yep, I've had to check the ladder a few times myself to confirm Manly are coming 2nd...I feel like we should be mid-table!

2023-04-26T00:24:44+00:00

Harvey Wilson

Roar Rookie


I like the percentage wins idea to make the table easier to look at and as for golden point and extra points etc, just get rid of golden point. There has never been anything wrong with a draw.

2023-04-25T23:34:27+00:00

Andrew01

Roar Rookie


Like what has been said; All the ladder is is a talking point and reflection of about where you are at. It isn't accurate. Some teams have played Penrith and Souths some teams have played the Tigers and Titans. It just allows speculation. If one wanted to add the percentage model, that fine, but not neccessairy. As for Golden Point. So we are saying for 80 years you got a point for being tied after 80 minutes so you should still get a point even if you go on to lose in extra time because we don't want to change that.... But we are ok with giving teams who win 3 or 4 points now? It isn't broken. Leave it alone. If you want to change it, then it goes the other way. The object of the game is to win, if at the end of 80 minutes plus golden point, if you can't score more points than your opponent, you don't win so you get no points because you failed in your objective. Won't happen, but just pointing out there are a hundred ways to look at it, so just leave it alone or we will be tinkering with it every time PVL gets bored.

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