What's the best way to reward the AFL's minor premier? Give them the power to choose

By Les Zig / Roar Guru

Years ago when the then-VFL was just 12 teams, the competition employed the McIntyre Final 5 system for the finals. The breakdown was simple:

WEEK 1

WEEK 2

WEEK 3

WEEK 4

Arguably, this was the best of all the finals systems that have been employed. Fourth and fifth were constantly in a state of sudden death. First, second, and third got double chances. The Minor Premier got a week off in the first week of finals, which meant they could refresh after a gruelling season, while second and third went right into it.

Jack Ginnivan. (Photo by Quinn Rooney/Getty Images)

Once the competition transformed into the AFL and began expanding, however, the finals system changed. In 1991, we went to the Final 6.

First played second, while third played sixth, and fourth played fifth Then there were a lot of qualifications depending on who won and who lost, i.e. the two lowest losers went out.

In 1992, Collingwood finished third (equal first, but for percentage), lost against sixth (St. Kilda) and were bundled out of the finals race, as they were one of the two lowest losers. The same thing happened to third-placed North Melbourne the following year.

Then, come 1994, the AFL employed the Final 8. This originally involved first playing eighth, second playing seventh, etc… Eventually, it was changed to the system in use today.

The argument since the Final 5 was abandoned has been how do you reward the Minor Premier? Because there should be some reward for finishing on top.

But in today’s Final 8, finishing first is no different to finishing second. And, as is the case next week, there’s no home ground advantage for Collingwood as Minor Premiers, because their first final is against an MCG co-tenant. Meanwhile, Brisbane get their own home final, so they’ve benefited while Collingwood hasn’t.

And just to preface this: this is not a rant to advocate for Collingwood, but a commentary on how the system functions, and the way it kicks up unfortunate disparities.

Bayley Fritsch. (Photo by Matt King/AFL Photos/via Getty Images )

The AFL has searched for answers on how to reward the team who finishes first, but given the structure of the finals system, have been unable to yield a genuine solution.

But I think it’s simple: the Minor Premier should be allowed to choose the time and place of their first final. Everybody else should be fixtured around that choice.

Most times, the venue would be a given – teams will want to play at their home base and, in the case of the MCG, there are a lot of co-tenants. But the time? That could involve anything from Thursday night to Sunday afternoon.

As it is, Collingwood and Melbourne are subjected to a Thursday night final – great for TV, but not so great for supporters coming from afar (like regional Victoria), or who have kids who can’t be out too late because they have school the next day. The same would’ve applied for anybody in this slot.

Granting the Minor Premier the power to choose their scheduling means they can attempt to shape their finals campaign in a way that no other club can – truly an advantage for finishing first.

The Crowd Says:

2023-09-06T11:59:56+00:00

Andy666

Roar Rookie


Les hasn't revealed that he is a die hard Collingwood supporter who lives and breaths the black and white.

2023-09-03T11:22:49+00:00

PriddisJunior

Roar Rookie


BLue tongue LIzards can't be TRusted

2023-09-03T10:47:25+00:00

PeteB

Roar Rookie


Elliott just wanted games in front of his own grandstand. All ego, nothing about benefiting the club he was supposedly representing.

2023-09-03T08:56:40+00:00

Kevo

Roar Rookie


I'm a bit concerned their rses may belong to the lizards now....

2023-09-03T07:43:36+00:00

PriddisJunior

Roar Rookie


It's what we would. What does gill and the next bloke owe the "lizards" ????

2023-09-03T03:18:46+00:00

Kevo

Roar Rookie


Excellent suggestion, and common sense when you think about it, locking in the Thursday, Friday etc well in advance

2023-09-02T14:36:34+00:00

PriddisJunior

Roar Rookie


Now... 40 years ago... not much has stayed the same.

2023-09-02T12:34:08+00:00

Macca

Roar Rookie


Blues tried that, didn’t work

2023-09-02T11:45:48+00:00

PriddisJunior

Roar Rookie


Nothing stopping the mcg co-tennants building their own boutique stadium in their real suburb and playing the interstate teams there. Then teams like Gold Coast would only ever play on the MCG if they made the grandfinal. Wouldn't that be perfect.

2023-09-02T11:40:28+00:00

PriddisJunior

Roar Rookie


Les is being a bit dramatic. But i get the sentiment. Current set up being “better than the previous” is not the way to judge things. Why not have it known 1st will play 4th on the Thursday… 2nd vs 3rd on the Friday… etc etc. Instead it’s up the “AFL” to do what they want. Far too often. They schedule early finals at venues with a week’s notice… but “oh we can’t move the grandfinal because scheduling a home granny would be way too hard”… another one for what I only just found out existed today – the afl integrity unit :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

2023-09-01T01:56:46+00:00

Macca

Roar Rookie


TRue but name a ground they would prefer to play on? It

2023-09-01T01:34:49+00:00

RT

Roar Rookie


Assuming a team can't pick a venue like KP, Marvel, Ballarat, etc, then this seems a bit of a nonsense reward if you ask me. So Collingwood could pick which day to play. Big deal.

2023-09-01T01:23:02+00:00

RT

Roar Rookie


Huh? “Advantage” means over the opposition. They don’t have an advantage over Melbourne.

2023-08-31T19:39:43+00:00

sheek

Roar Guru


Les Zig, Too sensible a suggestion for this joint...

2023-08-31T11:56:52+00:00

Kevo

Roar Rookie


It's a reasonable argument but don't know how well that would translate into practical reality. The current set up is way better than all the other dodgy incarnations since the final 5 - which was about as good as it gets. The greater issue is having teams play each other only once in a 20 team comp and all teams travelling interstate every second week, etc, etc.....

2023-08-31T05:41:33+00:00

Macca

Roar Rookie


"there’s no home ground advantage for Collingwood as Minor Premiers, because their first final is against an MCG co-tenant" Completely agree - Collingwood and Melbounre should paly at Marvel. Only a Pies fan would claim "no home ground advantage" when playing at a ground they played 2/3 of the season. (FWIW Collingwood had 14 games at the MCG this year, the Dee 13)

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