The last thing the Wests Tigers need is another stadium - so why are they trying to build one in Liverpool?

By Mike Meehall Wood / Editor

Even when there’s no rugby league on, the Wests Tigers will find a way of making themselves the centre of attention.

Their commitment to the bit of being the NRL’s favourite basket case continued on Thursday night, with two stories aired on Nine News – near back-to-back – that perfectly summed up the state of the club, and the potential for that state to persist long into the future.

First, among the regular news stories, there was the revelation that they are to pitch for a part in a new 20,000 seater stadium in Liverpool, followed by the sports, which went straight into the political wrangling that has seen chairman Lee Hagipantelis’ position under threat despite him only being returned to the job less than a week ago.

One wonders what fans are meant to make of a club that simultaneously wants to move grounds – a fairly important undertaking – but also can’t decide who is meant to be in charge. 

Moreover, one wonders why the Wests Tigers think they need a new stadium given that they have used four Sydney venues in four years and recently announced, to wide appreciation, that they are to can their peripatetic playing policy in favour of sticking to Leichhardt Oval, their spiritual home, and Campbelltown, where the bulk of their playing base comes from.

Politicians in NSW love nothing more than a stadium and, they might well decide that Liverpool needs one given the huge growth in population in the area.

Given the lack of proximity to any other sporting club in the area, it’s possible that they see the Wests Tigers as their best option to have a tenant. 

The Canterbury Bulldogs are perhaps closest – at least the Bankstown bit of them – but are locked into Accor Stadium for the foreseeable. Their leagues club also own a tract of land in the area and could potentially sell it at a huge profit to allow for a venue to be built rather than using Liverpool as a base.

We should park the idea that Sydney absolutely does not need more stadiums – and all their carbon – and instead discuss why on earth the Tigers need a third home venue.

Fans certainly aren’t clamouring for it.

“Any attempt to move Wests Tigers home ground to Liverpool will be met with hard resistance from supporters,” said Inner West Council mayor and Tigers fan Darcy Byrne. “It’s not what the fans want, and there is no mandate to propose it.”

He would say that, given he’s pushing for Leichhardt Oval to get a revamp, but his point does stand. Tigers fans already have to jockey between two disparate parts on Sydney’s map to follow their side, with very little that links the two sides beyond the club itself.

(Photo by Cameron Spencer/Getty Images)

The biggest problem they face – well, aside from being rubbish at football, which will probably change eventually – is that they have never decided who they are for.

The Dragons, a similarly clunky joint venture, have thrown their lot in with the Illawarra side, predominantly training there, with most of their players living in the area. 

New coach Shane Flanagan has committed to moving some aspects of the club back to Kogarah, but in practice, they threw their lot in with the Steelers long ago.

The Tigers, however, remain half-pregnant. They just opened a new Centre of Excellence at Concord – nothing wrong with that – and committed to splitting their games between Campbelltown and Leichhardt, which at least ended the farce of playing at Homebush and Parramatta, two grounds indelibly linked with other teams.

The split is currently five and five, but realistically, it should probably be seven to Campbelltown and three to the Inner West. Moreover, they should be looking at who they face where, as well as when. 

Then again, they’ve not won there since June 2020, an eight-game streak, so perhaps they would do well to stay away.

Across the last two years since fans returned following Covid, Macarthur fans have seen Manly twice, but out of Sydney opposition on all other occasions. The likes of Penrith, Parramatta, St George Illawarra, Canterbury and Souths – have all been elsewhere.

The Dogs last visited in 2019, the Panthers in 2017, the Dragons in 2015, the Eels in 2012 and Souths, who are thought to be the next best supported team in the region, have never played there in the 21st century.

Canterbury have played at Leichhardt – further from their fans – since they last played in Campbelltown, as have Parra, Penrith and Souths, though theirs was a behind-closed-doors game during Covid.

There’s an argument that moving fixtures to bigger stadiums helps get more fans in, but only one Wests Tigers home game against Souths has had an attendance higher than the capacity in Leumeah in the last decade, and they’ve not cracked Campbelltown’s 17,500 limit against the Dogs since 2015.

Short-changed southwest fans have also got their Tigers fix in clusters, with two games in June 2023.

Indeed, between the Tigers’ last game in mid-June and Macarthur’s AFC Cup tie against the wonderfully-named Dynamic Herb Cefu of the Philippines this Thursday passed, there wasn’t a single elite sporting event there at all. 

(Photo by Jenny Evans/Getty Images)

Even their NRLW fixture, scheduled for mid-September, had to be moved because of bushfire smoke. 

Part of that absence was due to the FIFA Women’s World Cup, but the years before that weren’t. In 2022, they got three games in 2022 in March, then June, then August, with months between events. In terms of building a fanbase with a culture of going to games, good luck. 

For the Tigers, this is the biggest threat. Macarthur FC are throwing money at the region and play there all the time, with a commitment to that area and that area only. 

As much as the region is rusted-on rugby league country at the moment, the projected population growth is not necessarily from the demographics that it once was, with more recent migrants with no tradition of the sport – but a clear understanding of soccer. 

Over half of the population were both abroad, and the largest constituent group from a rugby-playing nation was 2% from Fiji, a long way behind Southeast Asian nations, Arab nations, South America and China. It’s not a given that these people will be rugby league fans at all, let alone follow the Wests Tigers.

Plenty has been written about the pathways, and the kids that the Tigers lose to other clubs from what should be their heartlands. There’s no reason why they shouldn’t have the demographic advantages that Penrith and Parramatta have, or indeed, the Warriors or Broncos.

One need only look at Manly, 50km away, to see how many kids the area produces. Currently, however, none of these kids grow up wanting to play for the Tigers, and that comes down to the other side of the game, the off-field.

Leichhardt is the past and Campbelltown, just like it was in 2000, is the future. Liverpool should not even enter into the thinking at the club. But, like everything else with the Tigers, it’s an argument being had out in public, with stakeholders pulling in every direction. 

Until that part changes, they’ll never change the orientation of the club, and until the orientation changes, they’ll never be successful.

The Crowd Says:

2023-10-09T01:10:04+00:00

mushi

Roar Guru


"decreasing" if it hits ROI hurdles they'd sell the rights to the project. Stadiums require a very special type of creative accounting to work.

2023-10-09T01:08:10+00:00

mushi

Roar Guru


The last 13% said too much coaching stability had turned them stale and complacent

2023-10-08T20:57:39+00:00

Dwanye

Roar Rookie


Yeah, I pray for good management. I follow the eels and poor management has cost us decades. With accountability only sort of counted for with making money not performing on the field.

2023-10-08T20:31:58+00:00

Panthers

Roar Rookie


That’s true for a lot of the senior players. Though they’ll just buy anyone that’s good. They just bought another top young half Alex Conti, from West’s Harold Matthews. Do run Junior teams around the Newcastle area & in the competitions up there. The success they had in the junior grades in 2023, is directly connected to most of the players coming from Lake Macquarie ,Maitland etc. They aren’t the only areas though. They do have an association with the north coast , New Zealand , plus Toowoomba Clydesdales are run by the Bulldogs. That Laundy money is everywhere.

2023-10-08T20:03:39+00:00

Maxtruck

Roar Rookie


I thought the Bulldogs were part of the Panthers system ? Seems to be where the Bulldogs get their Head of Football, Coach & players from !

2023-10-08T07:43:47+00:00

Train Without A Station

Roar Guru


It’s a good point but it’s a bit more complex to that. Government wouldn’t build it to hand to them. They’d be a tenant and a good chunk of home game revenue would be rent. But on the other hand, infrastructure projects are becoming increasingly cost prohibitive and offer a decreasing ROI to the tax payer. The large stadiums policy is part of combating this. Build one facility for a handful of tenants to increase the returns. These smaller stadiums are also increasingly costly so a stadium half the capacity of Bankwest for less teams is rarely half the cost.

2023-10-08T06:40:23+00:00

Short Memory

Roar Rookie


No offence taken. But likewise I don't think counting a run of crap years and a spell of abysmal management means writing off a club forever. Just look at Souths.

2023-10-08T06:08:59+00:00

ScouseinOz

Roar Rookie


They probably will buy they still beat Everton :laughing:

2023-10-08T02:48:11+00:00

Dwanye

Roar Rookie


No offence Short Memory. But how many top 8’s or wooden spoons? I think just counting grand finals isn’t the only/best way to judge a good comp

2023-10-08T02:46:04+00:00

Dwanye

Roar Rookie


Same The Barry. The ones that pushing ‘original’ club wests or Balmain is a certain mindset, maybe similar to those that ‘dump’ following NRL if their club changes (merge, moves)

2023-10-08T02:42:33+00:00

Dwanye

Roar Rookie


Totally sad, can’t get past ‘my way’,it’ll never move on. It not a first grade club representing two jr clubs.

2023-10-07T23:52:28+00:00

Panthers

Roar Rookie


Luton will be back in the Championship next season.

2023-10-07T21:15:27+00:00

Maxtruck

Roar Rookie


What have you got against Perth ? Why punish them with the Tigers

2023-10-07T21:02:53+00:00

Maxtruck

Roar Rookie


West Tigers rent the ground, Leichardt Oval. If sold cash will go to the council

2023-10-07T20:34:07+00:00

ScouseinOz

Roar Rookie


I know mate. You very rarely see any antique grounds in the higher leagues. Luton are a bit of a blast from the past. Most of the funding though has to come from the clubs owners themselves. That’s just the culture. Somehow Wrexham AFC have got the Welsh Government to fund a new stand but everyone think its because they are starstruck with Ryan Reynolds. There was a time before the 2008 financial crash where councils would build a stadium (Hull, Leigh, Widnes) but that will rarely happen again in the future as they are all nearly broke. Most of the new rugby league grounds and a lot of the lower league footy teams have been built by partnering up with a Supermarket (St Helens, Warrington). That said – stadiums don’t make alot of money in the UK. They are a good asset to have but only a handful of stadiums are utilised more than once a week. The leagues clubs in Australia are far more lucrative for professional clubs.

2023-10-07T20:21:20+00:00

Brett Allen

Roar Rookie


It’s my understanding that the Tigers only own 10% of the JV now and they contribute nothing at all to the club, the Magpies, who are actually in pretty good shape financially these days do all the heavy lifting.

2023-10-07T19:11:23+00:00

Panthers

Roar Rookie


In the UK, any or every Soccer Clubs home ground is modified or upgraded. As part of the requirements for any club to play in the Premier League . If a club gains promotion to the Premier League. A club going into the Premier League from the Championship, gets around $ 210 million over a 3 year period.

2023-10-07T15:11:37+00:00

Ad Tastic

Roar Rookie


TBH, most Tigers fans I know love the Leichardt games. So it's not just a Board problem. I think the problem was baked into the merger from the start. They don't have a historic connection like St George does to Illawarra. Neither side has the financial and political muscle to force the other side out like Manly did to the Bears.

2023-10-07T13:55:36+00:00

ScouseinOz

Roar Rookie


I've recently moved back to the most famous Liverpool (well Chester) but Wests Tigers were my team for the Australian years. I loved watching that 2005 team and the Gareth Ellis era side growing up and I didn't want to jump on that Roosters glory train. I personally think they need that Liverpool (Sydney) move badly. I went to both LO and CSS with different Wests Tigers fans. They wouldn't go to the other location. I felt like a kid whose parents had split up and had to hang out with them separately on different weekends. I was also made to feel a lot like a different category fan, the one who only supported Wests Tigers - with no personal, familial, or geographical ties to the 2 foundation clubs. No other club in the NRL would do that. The club can't move forward because so much of the club is defined by looking backwards. They need one ground and that area is almost perfect. The struggles are made worse by being run by Justin and Lee. The CEO does a decent job with the financials but he shouldn't be near the football side at all or have his "Ask the Boss" segment. As the Lee, well the nicest you can say is that he shouldn't be a chairman or a director of the club. The rest of the Wests Tigers board aren't that impressive either, though one has a very eye-catching wig. That said - there is alot of dormant supporters, a good playing base and the ownership are pretty wealthy. Penrith gives alot of hope because the template required for success is there. They just need to get the club set up for success. Building a stadium is a massive waste of taxpayers' funds, but then so is the 2032 Olympics, AFL infrastructure, 2027 Rugby World Cup and contributions to private schools, etc. Aussies just waste alot of tax money that you would never get away with in the UK. NRL might as well benefit. It's not right, but both the Bulldogs and Tigers need a 21st-century Homeground that's a reasonable size. Liverpool would be perfect for 2 NRL teams.

2023-10-07T10:23:06+00:00

Panthers

Roar Rookie


Soccer is there now & Campbelltown is their only home.

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