Good, the Bad, the Eddie: Bok hails AB for 'best display I've ever seen', Kolbe confounds, 'classless' Rieko claim

By Tony Harper / Editor

This week’s version of Good, the Bad, the Eddie is going to be extremely top heavy.

After a weekend of magical quarter-final action – where three of the games went down the final play – it’s going to be tough for a neutral to pick out the negatives. As for Eddie? There will be plenty more of him later today!

The good

New Zealand’s incredible win over Ireland was built on many heroes – the decisive goalkicking and last ditch desperation of Jordie Barrett, nerveless playmaking from Richie Mo’unga, Sam Cane doing the watching Richie McCaw proud, and Sam Whitelock, there at the death to ice the game in his 151st Test.

But Springboks legend Bobby Skinstad, and the man of the match panel, got it bang to rights when they elevated Ardie Savea for his fabulous 80 plus minutes.

He bagged a try finishing it off like a star winger, put up a decent box kick and produced several massive turnovers. It seems almost redundant to rave about Savea. But it’s a bit like Lionel Messi in the round ball game: just because he’s reliably brilliant doesn’t mean we should undervalue his impact.

“Ardie Savea was head and shoulders above any player on the field, amazing,” said Springboks World Cup winner Skinstad. “Best display I’ve ever seen from a No.8. If I’d ever been able to play like that I’d be a lucky man.”

Savea said he was grateful for the praise and tried to explain his all round excellence.

“Things just happen, it’s instinctive, that’s sometimes rugby,” Savea said.

Ardie Savea of New Zealand celebrates victory at full-time following the Rugby World Cup France 2023 Quarter Final match between Ireland and New Zealand at Stade de France on October 14, 2023 in Paris, France. (Photo by Justin Setterfield – World Rugby/World Rugby via Getty Images)

“I think it was all the years when I was a kid thinking I was a first-five (fly-half) that helped me. There is still stuff on my game I need to work on.”

Skinstad’s words were acknowledged by All Blacks assistant Scott McLeod.

“It’s huge praise isn’t it, and he deserves that,” McLeod said. “Ardie wants to perform on the world-stage and he’s been doing it for a long time now. He did it throughout the game, didn’t he. We ask a lot of him both sides of the ball and we’re really proud of the effort that he put in for us.”

McLeod revealed that last year’s loss to Ireland had forced a tactical rethink – and bravo to the staff for how it was effected.

“After the series loss at home last year which really hurt, we had to have a really good look at some fundamentals in the defensive game for the All Blacks and a big part of that was in Super Rugby in New Zealand they tend to defend the man,” said McLeod. “So, they line up on a man and they defend the man. Whereas that doesn’t work against Ireland, it doesn’t work against Italy, it doesn’t work against France and we knew we had those teams more than likely in this World Cup. 

“So, we had to develop our ability to be able to defend the ball. Wherever the ball is we had to put people in front of that.

“That was the most pleasing aspect, that we’ve built the players’ skillset from last year. That loss against Ireland and then the end of year tour and we’ve learned some really harsh lessons. Last night the majority of the time we got that right and we had to get that right against Ireland and the way they attack.”

Magic Jordan

Where there’s a Will there’s a way to the tryline. The Kiwi flyer has now scored 28 tries in 29 games and his touch down against Ireland showed his natural ability to be in the right spot at exactly the right time.

There was a break from Richie Mo’unga, sensing the Irish defence was preoccupied by the prowling Jordan, and then the No.10 perfectly sent his team mate to the line.

“We practised that throughout the week. The move wasn’t actually made for me, it was made for Will Jordan on the inside and I saw the two defenders hold on him because obviously he’s a big threat at the line,” Mo’unga explained.

“I was able to get through, and thank God it happened that way because I wouldn’t have had the wheels to finish that thing off. Luckily I gave it away to the speed, which was a good way to finish. And it became pretty crucial in the end.”

Will Jordan and Aaron Smith of New Zealand celebrate following the team’s victory during the Rugby World Cup France 2023 Quarter Final match between Ireland and New Zealand at Stade de France on October 14, 2023 in Paris, France. (Photo by Chris Hyde/Getty Images)

He said Jordan is “just a freak. You know the charisma that he has, just the presence.

“What people don’t usually see is his ability to understand the game of rugby. You see it in games where he pops up at the right time. His anticipation is probably his biggest strength, that and his speed. He is able to read plays ahead and see where the ball is going to get to. And he sniffs out any opportunity. 

“He has a huge, huge future.”

Cheslin Kolbe’s genius play

The Springboks winger had already shown his jets by racing onto a grubber kick and scoring a try for the Boks. But it was his charge down of the Thomas Ramos kick which showcased his insane speed.

It’s like a spellbinding magic trick – and one of a couple of moments of sheer audacity in the Boks performance along with their decision to set a scrum after taking a mark. Neither are exactly common place.

French fans have predictably blown up about the charge down, with some vision suggesting the South African made a “false start”.

But when you talk about one percenters it’s moments like this that come to mind.

 “I have never charged down a kick before, it was my first one. I played with Thomas [at Toulouse] and you have an idea of what his process is when it comes to goalkicking and you analyse players throughout the week,” Kolbe said

“I am in a fortunate position to get the charge-down tonight and everything goes towards the team, and it is about leaving everything out there. I just tried chasing as hard as I could.”

A player can charge down an attempted conversion so long as they are behind their tryline until the kicker starts their kick approach.

The Laws of the Game state: “All players retire to their goalline and do not overstep that line until the kicker moves in any direction to begin their approach to kick. When the kicker does this, they may charge or jump to prevent a goal but must not be physically supported by other players in these actions.””

What constitutes a movement from the kicker is down to the discretion of the referee.

“Cheslin’s charge-down, you don’t see that often – somebody chasing a lost cause,”said Boks coach Jacques Nienaber. “We were opened up a couple of times but the scrambling, the effort the players put in was enormous.”

Simon says…

Fiji’s coach Simon Rawailui had every right to blow up about the officiating from Mathieu Raynal in his team’s close loss to England but he chose peace and love, as usual. If the refs had an award for their coach of the year, Simon would be a shoo-in.

“There’s obviously decisions where they go 50-50. The referees do a brilliant job, it’s the hardest position and you’re isolated. Sure, there’s things that you contest, there’s things that maybe you don’t agree on.

“We’re a huge supporter of every facet of the game and that includes refereeing. They do a wonderful job. They don’t go out there to pick a team and have their favourites. Sometimes there’s mistakes, sometimes the rub of the green doesn’t go your way.

“It is important that we support them and not isolate them. I’m very appreciative of everything they do.”

Fiji won hearts throughout their journey – and did it under extreme personal torment at times.

“It’s very emotional for everyone. Josh’s (Tuisova) son was lost then Sam Matavesi’s dad passed away,” said Semi Radradra after the loss.

“It’s really tough on us, but the good thing is we stick together as a brotherhood. Sam is part of our team, part of the family. We are there with him.

“It was his call to play today. It was really big from him to make that call. It was unlucky we didn’t get the win tonight.”

‘You’re going to be a champion like your dad’

Johnny Sexton bowed out amidst massive disappointment but his son Luca was on hand to keep him grounded as he walked around the pitch afterwards.

There was a beautiful moment afterwards when Luca told Sexton he was “still the best dad” then vision emerged of a heartwarming exchange between the youngster and New Zealand assistant Joe Schmidt, a former Ireland coach.

The bad

The aforementioned refereeing of Mathieu Raynal – well known to Wallabies fans of course for his role in the Bernard Foley “we play” debacle – left a bad taste after England’s progression to the semifinals, where they’ll be up against it versus South Africa.

While there was plenty of focus on the final play where Fiji were penalised as they pushed for a winning try, the Frenchman’s whole game approach made fans bristle.

Former Wallaby Stephen Hoiles said he hoped “we don’t see him again” while Fiji’s captain Waisea Nayacalevu walked away from the ref in disgust before Owen Farrell booted the ball out to seal England’s win.

“I’m quite emotional at the moment,” said the skipper. “A lot’s been happening during the week. I’m just proud of the boys, they turned up today. I just ask that we can have a fair decision like every team has, so we can play rugby, so everyone can enjoy the game.

“I’ll be honest. I was frustrated with a few calls.

“They had already formed a ruck and then (Maro) Itoje just came in and grabbed onto the ball and there was no penalty there. Three times in the game.”

France also had complaints about the performance of Ben O’Keeffe in their loss.

“What did you think from the outside? It’s hard to say because there’s a lot of disappointment and frustration. We want to see the images again – which will give us even more disappointment and even more frustration – but I think some clear and obvious things weren’t whistled,” said skipper Antoine Dupont.

“At crucial moments, we could have had a penalty. When you’ve gone forward 60 metres and you’re slowed down in the rucks, it’s pretty easy to whistle. I don’t want to sound bitter, moaning about the refereeing because we lost the match, but I’m not sure the refereeing was up to the challenge.”

For all the predictable refereeing complaints, perhaps the biggest disappointment of the week gone is the loss of the hosts and the impact that could have on the final two weeks of the tournament.

The atmosphere has been next level and hopefully Parisians will continue to get behind the remaining teams.

It’s also a shame to lose Ireland and their enthusiastic support – who weren’t too happy to be farewelled by All Black Rieko Ioane.

Sexton and the Kiwi centre had words after their match and according to the Irish Times “Ioane, in a classless gesture, put his finger to his lips while looking at the Irish crowd, and then felt compelled to bid farewell to Sexton.”

Speaking of classless, maybe this is the appropriate time to ask what’s up with the England fans?

It’s one thing to sing Swing Low, Sweet Chariot – with its links to slavery – through the Fijian pre-match challenge (Ireland fans did similar to the New Zealand haka) but another to roundly boo Owen Farrell for having the temerity to be selected by Steve Borthwick.

Farrell stepped up with 20 points in the win.

Then in World Cup notable for its healthy international relations, a couple of bozos in fancy dress thought they were watching a different code.

The Eddie

The Wallabies coach (at least for now) arrived home during the week and had a typically confusing interview at Sydney Airport with Channel Seven. The gist of it is he remains committed to Australia. More will be revealed later Tuesday.

Wales coach Warren Gatland took the chance to get a little Eddie sledge in at his press conference post the loss to Argentina when asked about his contractual situation

“This is like an Eddie Jones question, isn’t it?” he joked.

The Crowd Says:

2023-10-20T21:37:12+00:00

Rajah

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Looks like World Rugby now say Kolbe went too early. Given the intense debate both ways and both sides having reasonable arguments, this law needs to be better defined so there is no room for misinterpretation

2023-10-19T07:06:15+00:00

Prof_Kaos

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A bit late in replying, but i was referring to when the spiritual was adopted by English rugby fans. One of the now debunked excuses is that it was a reference to Martin Ofiah who's nickname was "Chariots" (of Fire) you prob remember the movie, about track & field running (Roger Bannister & 4min mile?).

2023-10-18T23:13:18+00:00

Jacko

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Lying now eh! Why is that needed?

2023-10-18T23:11:57+00:00

Jacko

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Spotted it myself. Dont need more evidence Henryhoneyballs. Personally I think its all part of the fun but its Sexton thats being precious after being a well known antagonist so its rather funny that he can give it out but cant take it in return.

2023-10-18T20:29:37+00:00

Craig McLeod

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Tell us you don't understand Zombie without telling us you don't understand Zombie

2023-10-18T12:26:22+00:00

Pablo_eire

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We've had years of practice at living with loses .. water off a ducks back. And while it's disappointing, we lost against New Zealand, and that was always highly likely as they are a great team, and most Irish people unless they are deluded knew that. It seems to be you didn't take the loss in NZ very well and even now you're bitter about it, and lashing out at some imaginary "arrogance" . Not sure what cesspools you hang around in, whereby you feel Irish fans were giving crap to kiwis, but have you ever thought not to tar the majority by the actions of a few ... Same as I'll not judge most NZ fans by your carry on. Most just appreciated a great game of rugby and were delighted with the result, without wanting to "return serve". Anyway good luck for the rest of the tournament.

2023-10-18T11:20:23+00:00

Good Game

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Let's hope that is the case. Rugby in general is better when Ireland are strong. Also hope Farrell has another Irish campaign in him. As for a grudges, nah, I just don't agree that putting your hand to your ear or pointing into the crowd in a non aggressive way is classless. I've looked around and haven't seen anything more than that. Oh, other than Johnny having a decent chin wag after Ioane had walked away. Not agreeing with someone on occasion is not my definition of a grudge. Too objective for kind of carry on.

2023-10-18T10:51:31+00:00

HenryHoneyBalls

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I doubt it it will linger too long. In the same way Ireland’s narrow loss to NZ in 2013 motivated them to get over the line in 2016 I think the over riding feeling will be that they are now good enough to advance further in years to come and the IRFU’s well thought out and funded structures will likely support that. Yes I put objectively in quotations because they were your words and yes I’m laughing to myself at your use of overly complicated pretentious language to describe fairly straight forward points. Yes I also get the sense you hold a grudge which is kind of funny too. :laughing:

2023-10-18T10:36:12+00:00

Good Game

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The emotion was etched into Irish faces after the game. The ABs too of course, but etched is not the word I'd use to describe it. For these Irish legends having played their last WC, I'd say these thoughts will linger mortgage free for a long, long time. It was a cruel end to a somewhere between very good but not quite great team. Still though, they were Irelands greatest - objectively speaking. What I do find funny though, is the use of putting objectively in quotations as if there was some kind of meta-ironic self-awareness occurring.

2023-10-18T10:19:38+00:00

HenryHoneyBalls

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A whinger or you just dont like him? A little jealous maybe? :laughing: I dont recall Sexton making a single complaint about referees at this world cup, do you? Please provide a link otherwise your claim is completely unfounded.

2023-10-18T09:58:58+00:00

HenryHoneyBalls

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Sexton was very mouthy after the series win? Any evidence of that or did you just make it up? Man you lot find it so hard to take criticism. :laughing:

2023-10-18T08:50:44+00:00

HenryHoneyBalls

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I find it funny. I laughed when I heard that Retallick said to Pom four more years you f’wit because I hadnt realised how firmly entrenched in Kiwi heads this Ireland team is. The emotion you refer to has mostly been expressed by the AB side on their fantastic win. As someone else said different people express their emotions in different ways, Cane, Foster and Schmidt as always were classy whereas “objectively” Retallick and Ioane were not just as Pom wasnt last year.

2023-10-18T08:22:54+00:00

Phantom

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He is not that good.

2023-10-18T08:06:11+00:00

Good Game

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Lawn bowls - pretty accurate

2023-10-18T08:05:13+00:00

Good Game

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Emotions getting in the way of objectivity again Henry?

2023-10-18T08:01:07+00:00

Good Game

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But that's only 40 years ago. It's got at least 5 years of mileage left in it.

2023-10-18T07:54:53+00:00

BBR

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I hate this group of Irish players and their fans are arguably even worse than them. For a team that's only been good in recent years they carry on as though they are God''s gift to rugby. My most hated test team and am so glad we knocked them out.

2023-10-18T06:49:59+00:00

Phantom

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Winners are grinners

2023-10-18T05:10:57+00:00

Pilferer

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I have seen a pic, But this is Sam Canes version. I don't have a problem with giving it back to the crowd as we don't hear what the crowd dishes out. Seen a few podcasts since Canes explanation their all fine with it most quite like it except the Irish of course

2023-10-18T05:01:13+00:00

Paulo

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Having had new vision of the incident I’ve asked what Reiko exactly did? The videos I’ve seen I can’t see a ‘Sush’ or a ‘cupped ear’?

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