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My comment was obviously made relative to talent and to expose this false narrative that the saffa model is so fantastic. The truth is they haven’t been that good over the last 4 years.
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65% with the current players available to Australia would be a massive overachicement but it’s not for a country like SA. Getting extremely lucky in the last RWC has clouded people’s judgement about them.
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Had the Boks lost the RWC, the last cycle would be viewed as a huge failure given the calibre of players available to them, and perhaps may have proven that selecting from all over the world doesn’t produce the level of cohesion needed.

Scrap the Giteau Law: Rugby Australia should look to Rassie's 'Boks RWC recipe if it wants to re-join the big boys' table

Beating 14 men by 1 point in the final and getting most of the calls by the ref in the quarter. They were very lucky as they tend to be in RWCs, and you know it.

Scrap the Giteau Law: Rugby Australia should look to Rassie's 'Boks RWC recipe if it wants to re-join the big boys' table

Manu signed with a Japanese club, not NZR.

Scrap the Giteau Law: Rugby Australia should look to Rassie's 'Boks RWC recipe if it wants to re-join the big boys' table

To a degree yes, but I don’t recall them rotating too much against the best teams.

Scrap the Giteau Law: Rugby Australia should look to Rassie's 'Boks RWC recipe if it wants to re-join the big boys' table

True, but I also believe that this current crop of Bok players are truly exceptional, and probably the best group of players they have had since the game went professional. I do believe that 65% is them underachieving to a degree given the calibre of players that they have.
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It will be interesting to see how they go in a couple of years time when many of their greats retire.

Scrap the Giteau Law: Rugby Australia should look to Rassie's 'Boks RWC recipe if it wants to re-join the big boys' table

Well the point was made to simply highlight the fact that the South African model isn’t as great as Harry is making it out to be. We aren’t talking about an 80% win rate like the ABs have consistently achieved, and in recent times Ireland and France. 65% over the last four years suggests that they haven’t improved on their historical win percentage one bit, and historically they have predominantly selected players from SA only.
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I just think that if France had knocked them out of the quarters which they would have done under a better referee, Harry doesn’t write this article today.

Scrap the Giteau Law: Rugby Australia should look to Rassie's 'Boks RWC recipe if it wants to re-join the big boys' table

The counter to that is if you open up the floodgates and most of the best players move overseas, the domestic game is going to suffer so much that the system will eventually not produce top players anymore. You need top quality players in your domestic league to bring through the young talented players, otherwise the young players will not be able to realise their potential.

SA has more depth so they probably don’t suffer as much. Even so, being in the the URC certainly helped them to develop the young players as they are up against world class players week in week out. Without it, I don’t think the SA based players would be as good as they are atm.

Scrap the Giteau Law: Rugby Australia should look to Rassie's 'Boks RWC recipe if it wants to re-join the big boys' table

Maybe the top level quality is just not as good as other teams, and of course getting Eddie to stuff things up didn’t help. They were tracking ok in Rennie’s final year.

Tell me Harry, apart from Skelton, Kerevi and MK, who are all available under the current selection criteria, who else do you think from overseas could vastly improve this Wallaby team?

Scrap the Giteau Law: Rugby Australia should look to Rassie's 'Boks RWC recipe if it wants to re-join the big boys' table

SA has an overall win record of only 65% over the last four year cycle and won the RWC by the narrowest of margins. Had they lost in any of the knockout games which they so easily could have done, this article doesn’t come out today. It’s incredible how three 1 point wins changes the narrative so drastically.

I disagree, Australia needs to retain most of its top players in Australia and the best way to do that is with its current model. Fully opening up to overseas selections will open up the floodgates.

Scrap the Giteau Law: Rugby Australia should look to Rassie's 'Boks RWC recipe if it wants to re-join the big boys' table

Using Brad Shields to win an argument is so silly. Everybody knows that he’s nowhere near the best crop of loose forwards in the Canes, and by no means has he stood out in comparison to the other loosies in the team.
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Some coaches love experience though, and imo tend to overrate it. That’s the case with Shields where better players such as Flanders and Kerifi are on the bench to accommodate his experience.
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Some players also thrive in different environments. A player can be test quality in one team and just dial it in in another.
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When a pre season Crusaders team that is so far inferior to previous versions can easily beat Bristol, me thinks the Premiership is not very good.

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CPM, apart from Leinster, which are the other exceptional teams in the URC? I can’t think of any other team in it that the top SR teams won’t be able to handle. I think you are overrating that comp a tad. You know it’s not a great comp when the top team ends up resting most of their top players for knockout games.

All Blacks star signs surprise short-term deal with Irish heavyweights

Reihana may have just cost Penny his job. Dumbest thing I think I have ever seen on a rugby field.

'Last few years have been hell': Iceman 2.0 Harrison gets 'dream come true' in Tahs' stunning golden point win

Comes from Holland 😊 and will be available for the EOYT 2025.

Razor's pursuit of 'hard bastard' Sam Whitelock reveals the ugly truth about the modern All Blacks

Keith Robinson if memory serves.

Razor's pursuit of 'hard bastard' Sam Whitelock reveals the ugly truth about the modern All Blacks

Most of the names you mentioned were before my time, and I was referring to the depth of players in that position. Have been watching rugby since 1990, and during this period we generally haven’t had too many world class backups to our starting locks.
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Jones and Brooke were world class but who did we have behind that? Same with Jack and Ali Williams, great starting pair but nobody of note as their backups. Then we had Whitelock and Thorn, with Retallick replacing Thorn. Since then Barrett has appeared. Hardly an endless supply of talent.
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Unlike loosies where we can generally pick multiple options in each position, we are limited when it comes to lock and have been for as long as I have been watching.

Razor's pursuit of 'hard bastard' Sam Whitelock reveals the ugly truth about the modern All Blacks

Lock has traditionally been NZ’s weakest area in terms of depth. Not sure why but we always have had a couple of world class locks with very little underneath.

I imagine with basketball becoming incredibly popular in NZ, especially at high school level, that trend will continue. In saying that I am excited about Lord, Holland and Hannah. I think those three youngsters have some great potential and if developed properly and if they remain injury free they will become high quality test players.

Razor's pursuit of 'hard bastard' Sam Whitelock reveals the ugly truth about the modern All Blacks

Why do people rate Vaai so highly? Seems like an underpowered lock to me who hasn’t stepped up to be test ready in the 4 years he’s been in the ABs environment. I would take Party T over him in a heartbeat.

Blues beat Crusaders for first time in 10 years, Chiefs survive late scare

Really like the look of Cole Forbes, he’s not only gifted with pace, power and skill but he has rugby IQ which is arguably even more important. He’s only 24 too, and I definitely see him as an AB bolter sooner rather than later. So glad Scotland didn’t cap him.

Blues beat Crusaders for first time in 10 years, Chiefs survive late scare

It’s not the PC thing to say these days but I can’t help but agree with him. SA got most of the calls go their way in that match, and the Kwagga turnover was as illegal as they come. How BOK missed it is beyond me, it cost France the game.

'Grow up': France coach still crying salty tears over RWC exit, makes 'disgusting' claim about Kiwi ref

You are making the assumption that Dmac will always be fit and available for selection. What if he gets injured?

I don’t rate Dmac particularly highly but I will acknowledge that he’s the best 10 playing in NZ by a country mile. If he gets injured we are in a world of trouble as the next two guys in Perofeta and an over the hill BB are simply not up to it. We won’t be winning any test matches against the very best teams in the world with either of those two running the cutter. That’s when the loss of Mounga will truly be felt.

'It's time we grew up': The jarring hypocrisy that proves All Blacks are getting key call all wrong

“Why?? Because players at those levels, will be pursued by overseas clubs to engage in a rugby career overseas with the knowledge, that their individual dream to gain AB selection, will not be affected.”

I’m struggling to see how a Giteau type law will have any impact on players at lower levels in terms of influencing their decision to leave. It should have no impact on guys who have never played for the ABs before, as they wouldn’t meet the selection criteria i.e having to play X amount of tests before qualifying for selection.

'It's time we grew up': The jarring hypocrisy that proves All Blacks are getting key call all wrong

More like Sam Cane lost us the RWC with his stupidity.

'It's time we grew up': The jarring hypocrisy that proves All Blacks are getting key call all wrong

Talking a load of nonsense Jacko.

Who is better than Mounga? Please don’t say Dmac. The guy has yet to perform at test level. Looking great in SR doesn’t cut it. Beauden is even worse than him and is clearly past his best.

Again, how will a Giteau type law open up the floodgates? We aren’t talking a huge shift in how we select, there could be years where 100% of the players are picked from NZ, but it doesn’t hurt to have that option of picking the odd guy from overseas when needed.

Sorry but you are making zero sense on this, just like most kiwis who are against this selection policy that Razor himself endorses. Don’t understand where your irrational fear is coming from.

'It's time we grew up': The jarring hypocrisy that proves All Blacks are getting key call all wrong

Have to disagree here. I think you will see a rejuvenated Wallaby side this year, and I won’t be surprised at all if they beat the Boks at least once. Both games will be in Australia.

'It's time we grew up': The jarring hypocrisy that proves All Blacks are getting key call all wrong

How can it work for the Boks? You are being very selective with your examples. McAlister is not a good example when that was 15 years ago and the guy had issues.

The Japanese league is far stronger than it used to be and players like Marx, Kolbe, PSDT etc haven’t lost form by playing there. In terms of kiwi players, Kaino came back from Japan and walked back into the ABs, as did Brodie.

Our promising locks are just promising at this stage, they are nowhere near world class and won’t make most top tier teams. Brodie still has a few good years left in him, he would be a great addition to the 2024 ABs and could even make the next RWC. As for Mounga, while he’s far from perfect he’s still easily the best 10 we have.

It’s a no brainer for me, we have to reconsider our selection policy. Why does allowing one or two overseas based players to be picked scare you so much? I’m struggling to understand this. I struggled to understand this on the other forum and don’t understand your irrational fear either.

'It's time we grew up': The jarring hypocrisy that proves All Blacks are getting key call all wrong

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