Sam Cane cops ban for World Cup final red card

Sorry mate, what do you mean by leading shoulder, Have you read the framework for head contact decisions. Ticks every box for.a Red Card. But I should realise you are the greater authority on this.

Funny you appeal to authority, whose competence is under question. Shoulder to the head doesn't automatically mean red card. He wasn't leading with shoulder

Where am I off to?

Yes to that. It’s mostly a fig leaf. I was just saying, a 7-card Cup team has an issue: of adjusting to NH refs.

goodbye harry

IMO Brendan, I think JB also has demons, in his game. He can be solid as a rock in one match and then go flip-flop, to do something outrageous, in his next match. His inability to look to outside players lets him down big time - it's as though, he wants to do everything but end up with nothing. I suggest, his general kicking ability lowers the fan-base barometer, from reliable to dismal. And, he has been caught out defensively.....whether its just a mis-read or he breaks the defence line, too quickly....?? Yeah, he's a big lad but for all his size and experience, I just think the poor bugger has that innate ability, to attract the same affliction as his bigger bro'....he's subject to making, some really daft decisions. For me, his biggest problem is he needs to learn, how to spell the word "team" - there is no "I" in that word. Do that and things should mature - fail that, then.....mmmm!! To that end, No 10 is way off the track for JB and IMO, WJ will be Razor's DW for the ABs.

He pleaded guilty of foul play and agreed the tackle merited a yellow card, not a red. So the judiciary didn’t exactly agree with him. I’ve been critical of players pleading guilty in these instances just to drop the sentence. And I think the same has happened here to degree. This is a symptom of a broken system, regardless of who is in the firing line.

While we may not agree about if there was enough mitigation or not - the cards been dealt, the final whistle has been blown and the judiciary has reviewed and sentenced. What ever my personal opinion is on the incident, I’m glad they have been consistent and handed out a ban. How much worse would it be if they had found mitigation and dropped it to a YC and said ‘no ban - the Red Card was wrong’ !? Can you imagine the uproar!?!? So, while we aren’t happy with the law and the interpretations, all we’re asking for apparently is consistency, and in this case they have shown that. The ABs won respect around the world for a 1pt loss in the RWC final playing a man down for the majority of the game. We as fans should follow that example, put on our big boy and big girl pants and move on without rehashing this every other minute. Easier said than done, but time to show some class and some of these rugby values we always like to go on about.

What do you think the Scottish Rugby people say? Are you involved with Scottish rugby?

Because the game is so complicated that referees miss so much. Savea was starting from the goal line which is why teams opt to overthrow a lot on their own line. Another example was Kolbes challenge on Mounga in the air. Whilst they were looking at the legality of the challenge they completely ignore the fact he was 10m in front of the kicker. TMO sticks their nose in so often but gets so much wrong too

Angus was following play. There was nothing active about his tackle. That is the problem that a punch to the face is treated the same as something that he had no control over. The speed that that happened the only way he avoids that is if he’s not following play. That’s the issue.

So why was it not flagged. Was Savea in the lineout or were both players when they started their run looking to catch the ball. Why didn't the NZ players flag it to the ref that the penalty should be more up field. Farrell was illegal because it has never a legal tackle due to his failure to wrap. Kolisi's was a legal tackle as he did wrap. Its why players don't get red carded for tackling a player while offside at a ruck because the tackle itself is fine.

You don't hear the Scottish Rugby people say we should make it more like football. When two T1 nations get an oversized proportion of the cards and they both play in the same domestic league it shows the issue. I don't buy the red cards ruin games stuff. How many articles in the 1990 WC in soccer lamented Argentina's two red cards ruining the game. It was a terrible tournament and 1994 was much more attacking (1992 Euro were just as bad as 1990). If a player deserves a red it should be given regardless of the game.

What are your thoughts on Jordie Barrett at 10. He can play 15/12 and I wonder if Razor may look to build a player like DW for SA. I think it would be a bad idea but is it ever talked about in NZ. DMac is a 10/15 not sure he can play the Razor Saders gameplay, and not sure Razor wants to play the Chiefs/Blues game plan

One steps forward into the tackle the other stands still which is important in terms of mitigation. In both matches the step or non step was pointed as a reason for the outcome. Angus choose to step forward, if he had not he would be deemed passive and only got a YC.

Direct hit to the head for players who are deemed upright is 6+ weeks. In both cases neither player got the punishment of the crime unlike all the T2 players who seem to get less mercy.

As I said I've not seen the video, but if he's making a point about us losing the final because of Cane's red and that was due to the coaches he's talking nonsense.

Agree with that, but WR seem much more interested in punishing people than they do in protecting them

I have no problem if they do a HIA after each head knock. I think they should. However it has no relation with issuing a red card. Cards is a sanction to reduce the risk of an injury not because someone got injured.

Well, I disagree - it does work If they were serious about stopping head injuries (and not just looking like they are serious about it) they'd have neutral Drs on hand to do HIAs after any head knock like that