'Sad to see him go': Young gun Gordon says Wallabies won't be scarred from World Cup flop

By The Roar / Editor

Carter Gordon says he was “sad” to see Eddie Jones depart as Wallabies coach late last month, but the rising 22-year-old believes he – and the entire wider squad – will be better for their tough World Cup campaign.

There was deep concern from some quarters that the mental scarring from the Wallabies’ World Cup flop, where they missed the knockout stage for the first time, would be a dent too difficult to come back from.

World Cup-winning Wallabies playmaker Michael Lynagh, who presented jerseys to the group throughout the tournament in September, was one high-profile Australian figure who opened up on the tale of woes and said he was fearful the psychological damage could be devastating.

“My overriding emotion is one of sadness,” Lynagh said on BBC’s Rugby Union Daily podcast. “Australia really hasn’t fired a shot at this World Cup and it’s really disappointing.

“I feel for the players. They’re not bad players and they’ve worked really hard but when they get out on the field it just doesn’t seem to click for them.

“I feel the way this has gone there’s going to be a few of them that might struggle to get over this experience. I hope not.”

The Wallabies after their World Cup win over Portugal. (Photo by Chris Hyde/Getty Images)

Jones’ departure was as dramatic and headline-grabbing as his remarkable return in January.

Right from the outset, the veteran coach was impressed by Gordon who, without Matt To’omua alongside him or James O’Connor before that, managed to grab the bull by the horns and lead the Rebels around and show his worth.

His fine form led him to be picked for an early April camp, before earning selection for The Rugby Championship.

By the third and final TRC Test and opening Bledisloe fixture it was Gordon who had been thrust in at fly-half, with Quade Cooper demoted.

Then Cooper was thrown to the trash heap, as Jones all in on Gordon and Ben Donaldson to be the two playmakers at the World Cup.

It was a remarkable and, ultimately, costly call as both young 10s struggled to stand up to the pressure of playing on the world stage. All the while, Cooper and Bernard Foley, who was picked for Australia A twice in 2023, were forced to watch from the sidelines.

Despite the tough campaign, which ended with playmaker missing their final pool match because of a knee-injury, Gordon said the group could rise from the ashes.

“Absolutely,” Gordon told the Daily Telegraph.

“We did take a lot away from France and the World Cup.

“It’s a young group. I think we’ve just soaked in a lot of that information and we’ll be better for it and we’ll take those leanings into the new year.”

His Wallabies teammate Jordan Petaia agreed.

“Obviously a disappointing World Cup,” he said.

“But you can only really improve from that and grow.

“As Carter said, it’s a young group so the boys will pick up a lot of experience from that campaign and take it forward into the next.”

History shows that World Cup champions can go from chumps to champs quickly.

Australia (1999), England (2003), South Africa (2007) and New Zealand (2011) all won the World Cup after being eliminated in the quarter-finals at the previous edition.

Like the Wallabies this year, it was England who was the laughingstock of international rugby after failing to progress out of the pool stage.

Four years later and Jones’ England put behind them a tough 18 months to make the World Cup final in Japan.

Going back 20 years, Jonny Wilkinson was the man at the centre of England’s World Cup triumph over the Wallabies in extra time.

Five years earlier in 1998, Wilkinson’s English side were hammered 76-0 in Brisbane.

Carter Gordon (L) says he was “sad” to see Eddie Jones depart as Wallabies coach. (Photo by Chris Hyde/Getty Images)

Yet, the rocky start to his career with England didn’t do the terminal damage some fear it might for Gordon after his first year of international rugby.

“The World Cup’s always been the pinnacle of rugby,” Gordon said.

“Obviously, that was my first one so I learned a lot there.

“Just to experience rugby in France with the massive crowds, that really excites me and definitely the other boys to get the World Cup back.”

While Jones won’t coach the Wallabies ever again, the core of the group that he selected will.

Indeed, Jones’ squad was the youngest competing in France with only five players from the 33-man World Cup squad over 30. It was also the youngest Wallabies squad to go to a World Cup since 1991.

Despite most Australians left filthy at the way Jones walked out on Australia and his links to Japan, Gordon said he was “sad” to see Jones go.

“I haven’t spoken to him since he’s resigned but he was unreal for me,” Gordon said.

“Obviously, he was the one who kind of went out on a limb and backed me right from the start so I’m really grateful for what he did there.

“I definitely learnt a lot from him this year. I’m obviously sad to see him go.”

Gordon, a scratch golfer who played at the pro-am of the Australian PGA at Royal Queensland, said he was back training with the Rebels after his knee-injury on the eve of the Wallabies’ win over Portugal.

“The knee’s good,” he said.

“I’ve had four weeks off, completely no running or anything like that. I just wanted to see whether it would heal on its own and it did, which it hasn’t.

“So I’m back into training now and pretty much able to do everything and anything I want to and it hasn’t flared up or caused me any trouble since so it’s good.”

The Crowd Says:

2023-11-27T21:43:00+00:00

Train Without A Station

Roar Guru


It's a stupid comment blaming Gordon when it was a poor game plan in general and many players made many mistakes vs Fiji. But he's not one of the most defensively effective 10s. He's a great tackler, but defensively he can be poor as he misses a lot of tackles. He just gets up and puts a shot on now and then so a lot of old men are wowed by it.

2023-11-27T21:25:40+00:00

southcoastboy

Roar Rookie


Have to agree – weird/dumb post. Carter is probably one of the more defensively effective 10s in Australia, and I dunno how much crabbing sideways he did. When he's getting late/slow ball from a 9 who wanted to run the game and who was also behind a faltering pack, he was always on a hiding to nothing. He's certainly not the finished article, but blaming one player? Seriously...

2023-11-27T19:31:19+00:00

Banjo Kelly

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Commendable. That is loyalty right there. When it all goes to shite and everyone else has the daggers out. You see the true colours when it gets ugly. Hooper’s response to not getting picked showed his. As did Cooper’s.

2023-11-27T07:01:06+00:00

Jacko

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Im suggesting that Eddie Jones and the Japan rugby boss are pretty close and Im sugesting EJ has some influence in Japanese rugby. Maybe he will become Chairman LOL. :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

2023-11-27T05:12:16+00:00

Khun Phil

Roar Rookie


A bit like your comments,terrence!

2023-11-27T01:55:02+00:00

Joffrey

Roar Rookie


Didn`t know Eddie coached every team in Japan. :laughing: Or are you suggesting they may make him Chairman of JRFU :silly: :laughing:

2023-11-26T22:00:11+00:00

Dusty10

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Yep, they have, and yet we still have people defending Jones and blaming others. There are quite a few 'borderline insane' statements and arguments from people on The Roar, including a few with ridiculous views about perceived selectors' Brumbies bias, of how we should not be playing against the strong kiwi teams, how RA should give up on schools and the schoolboy program, and some (Biscuit Man!) who want the Brumbies cut from the competition (as just a few examples). Hard to ignore ridiculous statements, which can kind of 'take hold' if they're not shot down (in the nicest possible way) as the stupid comments that they are relatively quickly. You've probably noticed how terminology introduced in one person's post suddenly seems to start appearing in the posts of others, and views that are eerily similar in structure and phrases start to go on a run. It just annoys me. Maybe i should focus more on celebrating the colourful characters we have posting here... Anyway, this is a long-winded way of saying I'd LOVE to move on, RTL.

2023-11-26T21:44:26+00:00

Train Without A Station

Roar Guru


"Most players" You mean two players? Plenty of players have come out and said some not so flattering things about Jones. Why do you just ignore them?

2023-11-26T21:43:43+00:00

Train Without A Station

Roar Guru


Lynagh, Bowen, Pasitoa, Harrison, McLaughlin-Phillips are all on the conveyor belt ready to rock and roll. I don't think Gordon will be too concerned about them until they can prove they are Super Rugby level. But let's not let a lack of results stop us writing off players and talking up the next big thing.

2023-11-26T21:40:34+00:00

Train Without A Station

Roar Guru


James' point is that of course a player is going to have positive things to say of the coach that gave him his chance.

2023-11-26T19:14:33+00:00

Rugbytrylover

Roar Rookie


Dusty10. Your thoughts have all been repeated by all and sundry. Think it’s time to move on and start seeing what can grow from the 2024 season. May the coaching be positive and adventurous and may the players all stay fit and play well. Joe Schmidt hopefully is selected as our new Wallaby coach …

2023-11-26T10:16:54+00:00

Larkhams Last Ride

Roar Rookie


Fighting the forces of APE

2023-11-26T04:07:18+00:00

Busted Fullback

Roar Rookie


The other thing I was trying to say was that their test careers started much younger and some of us remember how much more creative they were with only 30% possession. I’m off to my afternoon nap and dream dreams of yesterday. :laughing: :crying:

2023-11-26T03:36:30+00:00

Old school rugby

Roar Rookie


It would appear from your patronising comments, a much better rugby career than yours. Losers don’t get too far in life. All players represented their country with pride and should be celebrated.

2023-11-26T02:51:29+00:00

whistleblower (retired)

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Doesn’t stand that the two horses not running were nags (which I suspect future history will be forced to acknowledge) or that the two ponies now in charge will be up to the challenge. The approval, by most, when they were appointed [McLennan and Jones] was euphoric. Fair weather sailors?

2023-11-26T02:47:30+00:00

terrence

Roar Rookie


bs. No union is ever perfectly run. Even the champion saffas.

2023-11-26T02:46:21+00:00

whistleblower (retired)

Roar Rookie


I guess most had a post-rugby career (many starting professional careers) to start; and at a later age than most others

2023-11-26T02:36:35+00:00

terrence

Roar Rookie


yea, he's had a stellar wallabies career so far :stoked:

2023-11-26T02:24:51+00:00

Etepeus

Roar Rookie


What a dumb post, it’s a team sport one person does not win or lose anything. The teams who win consistently is more about having a fully aligned team which also means the board, management, players and everybody else associated with whole organisation. Australia lost and will continue to decline until it first get its management and supporting structures correct - I would have thought this was pretty obvious after 20 years. It is not the players fault Australian rugby is where it is.

2023-11-26T00:54:15+00:00

Purdo

Roar Rookie


:laughing:

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