Wallabies stars say Jones' Japanese defection would 'hurt', Bell open to captaincy as Aussie players return

By Christy Doran / Editor

As the cream of Australia’s playing stocks returned for a rare training block ahead of the festive season, Wallabies stars Angus Bell and Lalakai Foketi admit it would “hurt” if Eddie Jones was appointed as Japan’s next coach.

The lingering pain from the Wallabies’ dreaded World Cup is still raw.

Much has changed since the Wallabies were last together in Saint Etienne praying that Portugal would miraculously knock over their Pool C rivals in Early October. They did, but not by the required margin to allow the Wallabies to sneak into the World Cup knockout stages.

Instead, the Wallabies crashed out at the pool stages for the first time and the collateral damage has been severe.

Jones, if he wasn’t already planning to pull the parachute on Australian rugby, walked. Others, like Rugby Australia chairman Hamish McLennan, were forced to walk the plank.

Now the players remain to pick up the mess, with the Wallabies coaching group blown up while a new head coach is weeks, if not months, away from being appointed.

“It [the disappointment] lingered around for a while and you see people you haven’t seen for a while and they want to hear about it and talk about it,” Foketi told reporters on Wednesday.

“It was hard because not by fault or not by effort that we didn’t go as well as we wanted, and it was poor World Cup from us.

“So, yeah, it lingers. It’s probably still lingering a little bit, but it’s good we get out there today and we get to run around with the boys.”

Lalakai Foketi says it would “hurt” if Eddie Jones joined Japan. (Photo by Chris Hyde/Getty Images)

With no meaningful games for another 10 weeks, all Australia’s players can do is work hard in the background.

That’s OK for many, but most are itching for a chance of redemption.

“We’d love to and obviously we’ll do everything in our power to do so, but we have a job with the Waratahs first and the good thing is there are opportunities there for Australian rugby to redeem a little bit of that respect back that we lost at the World Cup,” Bell said.

“In professional sport, you can’t hang on to things for too long.”

Naturally those who were sensationally dropped from the Wallabies are pleased to see Jones depart.

But for most of the Wallabies group who featured in France, Jones’ departure wasn’t met with the same fanfare that the wider Australian rugby landscape rejoiced in.

“I was personally disappointed, I really liked Eddie,” Bell said.

“He got the best out of me as an individual and a player and I really enjoyed being under him and coached by him and the rest of the stuff with ‘Hats’ (Neal Hatley) as the scrum and forwards coach.

“It is disappointing seeing them go because they are quality coaches and we can see in parts there we are a great team but we weren’t able to put it together for 80 minutes at all.

“But you can’t change the future so we just have to deal with what is now and as rugby players that’s putting our best forward for the Waratahs.”

Eddie Jones and Angus Bell during a Wallabies training session ahead of the Rugby World Cup at Stade Roger Baudras on September 02, 2023 in Saint-Etienne, France. (Photo by Chris Hyde/Getty Images)

The Wallabies’ car crash of a tournament came amid reports Jones had met and interviewed for the soon-to-be-vacant Japanese head coaching job – a role the veteran rugby figure previously held, where he took the Brave Blossoms to the 2015 World Cup.

Jones distanced himself from the reports throughout the World Cup.

While he has maintained he never interviewed for the role, Jones has since said he would be interested in taking over from Jamie Joseph who left the job after two World Cup cycles.

It’s likely the Japan Rugby Football Union will make an announcement on their next head coach by the end of the month.

Foketi admitted players and coaches were in the business world, but said it would “hurt” if he left so soon after making promises about trying to turn around Australian rugby and the need to take a young squad to the 2023 World Cup to ensure the team is primed to go deep into the tournament when the nation hosts the showpiece event in four years’ time.

“I don’t know what’s going to happen. If it does, it does. I think it would hurt a little bit just because of all the chat around [it] before [the Wales game],” Foketi said.

Foketi, however, said you couldn’t question Jones’ work-ethic.

“What he did for us at the World Cup and leading up to that, you can’t fault his effort and his drive and to want to make Australian rugby better,” he said.

“We really respected him and respect him. If that happens, good on him.”

Angus Bell says he has captaincy aspirations. (Photo by Mark Kolbe/Getty Images)

Who replaces Jones remains to be seen, with a decision to be made after the new director of high-performance is announced in the next fortnight.

Rugby Australia chief executive Phil Waugh admitted on Tuesday he was open to a foreigner coaching the Wallabies less than a year after Dave Rennie was brutally axed.

“I genuinely believe our competitive advantage in sport is being Australian, so we need to ensure there’s a really strong Australian flavour within the coaching structure,” Waugh said on the Big Sports Breakfast radio show.

“Whether that includes the head coach or not is less relevant, it’s around the culture installed across the broader coaching group.

“We’re really open minded around whether the coach is an Australian or a foreigner, as long as the broader coaching environment is very Australian.”

Foketi said he enjoyed playing under both Rennie and Jones and seemed open to either option.

“If it’s a foreigner or an Australian (coach), then I’m sure they’re coming here to do the right thing and that’s to put Australian Rugby where it belongs,” he said.

With RA likely to tighten up their eligibility laws in the lead up to the British and Irish Lions series and home World Cup, a new captain will need to be found with Will Skelton unlikely to return for the July Tests against Wales and Fiji.

There’s no shortage of candidates after Jones selected six different skippers throughout the 2023 campaign, with Michael Hooper, James Slipper, Allan Alaalatoa, Tate McDermott and Dave Porecki also leading the Wallabies throughout the year. Bell, who is one of the Wallabies’ first picks, said he held leadership ambitions.

“Yeah definitely [I’d like to do it]. I’ve always aspired to be a leader,” Bell said.

“That’s completely up to the new head coach. I’ve got to make the Wallabies first and make the Waratahs first.”

Meanwhile, Foketi said it was vital Australia’s five franchises pull their weight and be more competitive on the field in Super Rugby to lift the overall standing of the game, with the nation’s last success coming in 2014 when the Waratahs won the title.

“It’s massive, it speaks for itself the results and then you lead into TRCs and Bledisloes and we haven’t got over the Kiwis for a long time,” Foketi said.

“We need that to change and I think for Australian rugby and the Wallabies to do well, we have to do well here at Super Rugby, not just at the Waratahs but all the franchises and it will give us a lot of confidence in whoever puts on that jersey that you and they know they can mix it with the Kiwis, who are amongst the best in the world.

“It needs to change and it has to change pretty quickly because if you keep this trend and the way we’re going in Super Rugby where we’re almost there but we don’t quite get there against the Kiwis, it’ll keep going probably for a long time until something clicks and changes, so we need to make them.”

The Crowd Says:

2023-12-08T04:51:25+00:00

K.F.T.D.

Roar Rookie


Palace of Versailles- would be ideal- that’s where the peasants came to rectify the excesses of the Sun King.

2023-12-06T22:50:02+00:00

Ken Catchpole's Other Leg

Roar Guru


Agreed. Just commenting on lil’ Will’s chops as a lock and leader. I’ve liked him ever since he was a 20 year old giant with soft hands, and he’s improved a lot since then.

2023-12-06T22:35:58+00:00

cs

Roar Guru


Don't think it works with him overseas.

2023-12-06T21:41:45+00:00

Dusty10

Roar Rookie


Hey Ferret, remember a bloke named Chris Whitaker? Rarely started for the Wallabies playing in the same era as Gregan, but was so well regarded that when he did start he was handed the captaincy. Lonergan is a bit like that. Big difference is that Lonergan is actually likely to be the regular 9 for Australia if we have a responsible and unbiased selection panel who select on merit. Given the dearth of obvious potential captains in this country, he'll be in the conversation.

2023-12-06T18:00:41+00:00

Just Nuisance

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Read the Dogs or War by Frederick Forsyth and it will give you signigicant insight into the mindset of a mercenary ..

2023-12-06T16:51:01+00:00

Mactruck

Roar Rookie


Don’t feel it. Robotic and overly diplomatic responses. Also quoted above saying “no one can change the future”. Talk about mixed metaphor

2023-12-06T15:13:58+00:00

Ken Catchpole's Other Leg

Roar Guru


Skelton’s selection as captain was one call Jones got right.

2023-12-06T15:08:50+00:00

The Ferret

Roar Rookie


I 100% agree that we should start an uncapped player and make him captain.

2023-12-06T15:08:13+00:00

Ken Catchpole's Other Leg

Roar Guru


Thanks for saving us the trouble JN. You’ve put it very well.

2023-12-06T14:53:31+00:00

Ken Catchpole's Other Leg

Roar Guru


Good post carnivean. Jones has world class characteristics, but those traits also include a couple of unfortunate ones, such as an inability to see the wood for the trees, (such as a flawed Jones game plan). But in an empowered context, he sure could coach. 2024, rather than 2023 with a motley crew of hastily cobbled assistants, might’ve seen such a context.

2023-12-06T12:03:08+00:00

Dusty10

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May seem like I'm plucking this one from my backside, but Ryan Lonergan. He's a leader at the Brumbies, and Will Genia rates him as the best halfback in Australia. With a half normal coach (i.e., anyone but Eddie Jones), and hopefully a coach with no bias or allegiances (perceived or otherwise, Cheika!), Lonergan is my prediction to be a regular starting 9 and, when that happens, he'll be in the conversation for Captain. There aren't many other obvious choices at present; our two best players over the past 18 months (Len Ikitau and Rob Valetini) are both quiet men by nature and not in leadership roles at the Brums. Frost and Hooper both have potential, but they're several years away. Bell at the Waratahs is inspirational but, as pointed out, he's a prop and will need replacing/rotating. Campbell at the Reds could be considered; he's a bloody solid player with good all-round skills and a real rugby brain in the mould of Matt Burke, but again he has to start regularly for the Wallabies first. He really should be there. Tate, in my opinion, is just not there at all. He's over-rated as a 9 and not a particularly bright captain. Probably the one whom people haven't spoken about is Holloway at the Waratahs. He's well-travelled, fought his way back from being discarded, is now very well-respected by his team mates, and I suspect would make a terrific captain. Again, only issue is whether he is good enough to hold out other Aussie based locks and 6s. But, if a few other things fall into place, Ryan Lonergan could be the man.

2023-12-06T11:02:57+00:00

Old school rugby

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Slipper for the next couple of years.

2023-12-06T10:59:49+00:00

cs

Roar Guru


Mate, those horses are a bloody mess on the ground. No point still flogging em.

2023-12-06T10:57:45+00:00

cs

Roar Guru


Love Will but think we need the captain here for all training and other commitments etc.

2023-12-06T10:50:23+00:00

whistleblower (retired)

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Maybe. Perhaps the review will see the light of day. I’m guessing all players will have had their opportunity to have an open and frank in discussions with RA about all matters. If not they should have. If RA have the intestinal fortitude they will make an un-redacted version available so everyone can be on the same page. I won’t be holding my breath. I do however feel the gutless apportioning of total blame, by many, to Jones and McLennan is both facile and puerile.

2023-12-06T10:33:07+00:00

RD

Roar Rookie


The news is that he shall be returning to Australia in 2025.

2023-12-06T10:26:34+00:00

Ajaxx

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Me, i personally dont think so, club commitments.

2023-12-06T10:24:04+00:00

Mirt

Roar Rookie


Crewcut would be even better

2023-12-06T10:04:24+00:00

Duvall

Roar Rookie


Of course they all have so much to thank him for too - so much success. Two from nine Tests was it? So many memories to cherish.

2023-12-06T09:21:26+00:00

cs

Roar Guru


Lying is a bit strong. Maybe true for some, maybe just the sport-as-usual diplomatic talk for others.

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