Leniu v Jared: The young tyro wants to take on the old warrior, but who is actually top dog at Roosters?

By Mike Meehall Wood / Editor

If there’s one thing that rugby league fans love, it’s drama.

Sure, there’s the on-field type you get with last minute field goals and come-from-behind wins, but there’s also the soap opera type, the one that keeps four blokes sat around a table every night on TV.

The line between sports, entertainment and sports entertainment of the WWE kind is one that rugby league has claimed as its own.

It’s why the late season bust-up between Jared Waerea-Hargreaves and Spencer Leniu was so compelling.

The Panthers-Roosters rivalry works, because they are usually two of the best teams, and the young pup/big dog story is one that always has legs. Throw in that Leniu is joining the Chooks for this year and you’ve got solid gold.

The narrative going into pre-season at the Roosters has been Spenny’s chance to move from an elite bench option to a full-time pack leader, especially with Jared entering into the last year of his contract.

Ostensibly, Leniu is actually arriving to take over from the departing Fletcher Baker, though he is a clear upgrade there and will see himself as a major option to start, if not this year then certainly next and from then on.

Jared could go quietly into the sweet night of bench veteran status, but he’s rarely done anything quietly before and seems committed to ending his illustrious year on top, not on the interchange.

Trent Robinson, then, has some serious succession planning to do, and his task is complicated yet further by the other options.

Lindsay Collins, now a leading light for both Queensland and Australia as well as Easts, might be inclined to think that he is now the main man in the forwards.

There’s a few questions that need answering, but we have the spreadsheets to answer them.

We’ve got a full six years of Jared, going back to 2018, when he was one of the game’s best props, plus four each of Collins and Leniu. The idea is that we should be able to track numbers across time to see what patterns emerge.

Now, as anyone with a Super knows, past performance is not an indicator of future performance, and stats can go up as well as down.

In our sample, we can look at metres, defence, rucks, discipline and more – but we have to be conscious that coaches ask very different things of their forwards depending on how long they are on the field.

Jared Waerea-Hargreaves scuffles with Tigers players. (Photo by Matt King/Getty Images)

Indeed, the allocation of minutes is the main point here, so we’re trying to use the data as a guide to what happens when middles are asked to do more or less.

Our three help in that regard, because their game time has changed a lot.

Jared has gone from 40 per game in 2018 to 51 in 2019, 48 in 2020 and 2021, then down to 40 in 2022 and 45 in 2023.

Collins, as you might expect, has gone the other way. He went from 39 to 43 to 47 and then a mammoth 56 minutes last year, taking over the mantle from JWH as the big minute guy.

Leniu has only ever been a bench player for Penrith, but after three years of playing just a quarter of the game, he finished last year with an average of 32 minutes per game.

If you do a cross section of the minutes and other stats, some key trends emerge.

Firstly, and of most interest to Robbo, is that Leniu’s stats basically stay the same despite the increase in minutes.

That’s great news, because it shows that he is able to provide the short term burst for longer, which is really what you want to see from your middle forwards.

Leniu is truly elite in the Metres Per Run (MPR) metric, and has never been out of the top 15% of middles in the NRL since taking a permanent spot in the Panthers’ rotation in 2020.

For him to carry that impact on as minutes increase is highly promising, and back the idea that he should get more.

Jared’s show that he might be of more use on lower minutes.

His MPR and Post-Contact Metres (PCM) were best in the year in which he played the shortest time, 2022, and his Play the Ball Speed (PTBS) has also been fastest when he has been on the park less.

Collins has also been less effective when playing longer, but that shouldn’t necessarily be seen as a bad thing.

Lindsay Collins. (Photo by Brett Hemmings/Getty Images)

His MPR has actually declined every year since 2020, a stat that also goes in lockstep with his Hit Up Percentage (HU%) the number of his runs that are one-out.

But: Collins’ Play the Ball Win Percentage (PTB%) has gone up with his minutes, as have his offloads and tackle breaks.

Clearly, this is a player who once looked to bend the line with his carries, but now has been told to win the floor and sacrifice himself for the team.

In defence, it is the same story: tackle efficiency and tackle rate go down, but the net numbers go up, as you might expect from being on the field more.

This speaks to the central tactical point to go with the data.

Jared used to be the bulk minutes guy, and his role in the team was to lead the pack around with emphasis on repeatable, dependable actions, while the other guys were tasked with breaking the game open.

Now, that is clearly Collins’ role. Any chat about Leniu taking over from Waerea-Hargreaves is pointless, because he isn’t the leader anymore anyway.

Robinson’s plan in terms of rotation hasn’t altered that much and may not going forward.

He needs 160 minutes’ worth of prop forward, of which one guy is 50, two are 40 and another is the rest.

We know that one of Terrell May or Naufahu Whyte are going to be the shortest amount – they were both around 35 last year –  and that Collins is the longer.

The bigger questions will be if Jared, now 34, can keep his numbers up as his body declines and whether Leniu can expand his excellent production across a longer timeframe.

The best chance JWH has is to scale back his time on the field by five or so minutes per game, allowing him to be that enforcer and impact player. Notably, the last time he was down as low as 40 minutes per game, in 2022, it was his best season in years.

Leniu has moved to Bondi to be the big man, but it’s really hard to keep up his frantic energy for an extra eight minutes per game, as will have to be the case if he is to take over from the man he actually replaces in the squad, the Brisbane-bound Fletcher Baker.

Currently, he is operating at the same level of activity and running as Joseph Tapine and Addin Fonua-Blake, so pretty exalted company for a prop, but crucially, they are doing it for nearly twice as long.

He’s already shown that he can scale some parts of him game while maintaining others.

His Involvement Rate (an advanced stat that measures how much players are doing per minute of action) was unreal in 2020 and 2021, but dropped off in 2022 and 2023, years in which Leniu’s net numbers for metres and tackles went up.

His overall positive production elevated across more time on field, which is, of course, the point.

If Robinson can get that balance right, he could have one of the most balanced packs around.

He’s got his workhorse, Collins, his enforcer, Jared, a deluxe impact in Spencer and a wild horse in Terrell. On paper, it works, and you’d back Robbo to get it right in the coaches’ box.

National Rugby League player Spencer Leniu speaks during the National Rugby League – Vegas Promo Tour at Allegiant Stadium in Las Vegas, Nevada. Allegiant Stadium will host 10 NRL matches kicking off with a season-opening double-header next March. (Photo by David Becker/Getty Images for NRL)

And one last thing: we couldn’t leave a statistical analysis of Jared Waerea-Hargreaves without a mini-dissection of his disciplinary record.

He’s consistently been one of the worst offenders, that much is definitely true.

His Infringement Rate – the tally of how many penalties/set restarts conceded per minute – is pretty bad, one of the highest among starting props.

However – he’s sandwiched between goody two-shoes Christian Welch and Jake Trbojevic, who we all think are top blokes, and nowhere near the likes of Stefano Utoikamanu, truly an elite penalty machine.

Interestingly, it’s not foul play that does him, but the slightly more boring category of ruck infringements.

He’s not Jurbo there, though, with the Manly lock leading the way for one the floor messing, and at least he gets back onside, which is more than you can say for Welch.

There you go, then. The constant wailing that Jared is picked on by the judiciary might have legs. He’s not the worst, but when he does lose it, it tends to go big time. Just ask Spencer Leniu.

The Crowd Says:

2024-02-01T04:43:48+00:00

Full Credit to the Boys

Roar Rookie


He rose to about 30 minutes a game I think. I know because I was always frustrated he didn't play more. Panthers clearly trained him for a specific purpose to bend the line late in the first half and starting the second, and he was incredible at that job. How he goes over a longer appearance or as a starter will be very interesting. He is still only 23 so there is so much potential for Easts to craft his game.

2024-02-01T03:43:59+00:00

Albo

Roar Rookie


I don't think Leniu has ever reached his full potential as a player as yet, despite now winning three premierships. Not sure he ever will, but time will tell if Robbo can lift his game to a higher level. Seems so far he ( and his coach) have been happy with a high intensity 20 minutes only. He can surely do better than that if he tries ?

2024-01-29T03:04:43+00:00

mushi

Roar Guru


If you see JWH off field he’s very team focused. His biggest issue, IMHO, is he has a self criticism spiral. When his form slips he plays dirtier to try and make up for it rather than just relax go simple and build up. I honestly thought he should throw it in during 2022 as you could see he wasn’t loving it. If JWH is third on the pecking order due to bad play the issue won’t be Robbo’s reaction it will be JWH’s If it’s because he’s overtaken by others good play I think he’ll adjust by internally taking credit for the development of the pack

2024-01-29T02:33:24+00:00

Andrew01

Roar Rookie


I get that personel decisions are made using a combination of considerations, metric, behavioural etc. and that you are trying to do the analytics view on that which is cool, i love data. So make the piece about who will be the most effective performer, not who will be the "top dog" or "leader of the pack". Because the answer to that is far less about stats and more about personality culture, presence, experience, leadership, relationships etc. ..IMO..

2024-01-26T22:49:27+00:00

mushi

Roar Guru


Wong looked very good. Sitili only played 8 games so a bit harsh. Crichton's drop was understandable, will be interesting to see if he can bounce back or if the treatment means he's never getting back there. Still if I've got question marks I'd rather it be on the edge forwards.

2024-01-25T23:55:40+00:00

Muzz Manyana

Roar Rookie


Mike, as a Roosters fan, I don't find your style offensive.

AUTHOR

2024-01-25T07:17:58+00:00

Mike Meehall Wood

Editor


Come on langparker, don't get my initials wrong :laughing:

AUTHOR

2024-01-25T07:17:01+00:00

Mike Meehall Wood

Editor


In fairness, there's plenty of other articles you can read about whether someone 'competes'/'brings leadership'/'the boys love him', so I'm trying to do something a bit different :laughing: I'm not a big intangibles guy (google Scott Brown Celtic 20/21 :unhappy: ) but you're right in the sense that teams need leaders on the field. Jared (and Reyno) are certainly that. The question is more about how long you let your most senior players continue to be senior before you lose the benefit of their experience - stats can help make an informed decision there.

2024-01-25T07:06:14+00:00

Full Credit to the Boys

Roar Rookie


It’s interesting. I’ve seen to do wonderful things and wondered how Penrith could do without him. Then I saw them play without him and the replacements did really well. I am agreeing with you that it will be interesting to see how he goes in a different system, and how his replacement at Penrith, probably Liam Henry, goes.

2024-01-25T04:11:36+00:00

Andrew01

Roar Rookie


Its a bit like the Reynolds v Illias piece. All the stat sheets in the world are interesting but you don't have a stat on leadership. That said, if you want to cherry pick stats, the one you don't mention: Playing for the same club, in the same team, the Win percentage the last 2 seasons (Collins barely played in 2021 due to injury) for Collins and JWH: JWH: 60% Collins: 51% Collins is an excellent player, getting better and better. Leinu is a player of potential, who to date has never been higher than number 3 in his clubs prop rankings - and not close, behind two exceptional players. Like him or loath him, JWH is clearly a leader at that club - i.e a person, other players want to follow into battle and who can lift his team. You could argue he isn't a good leader, but he is a leader. JWH may be the number 1 leader for the entire playing group, not just the props. Unless a leader hands the reigns over to someone else, any attempt to usurp a leader is mutiny, and not something that will go down well in a team environment. So regardless of performance, JWH is the leader until he hands the mantle to someone else. THAT, should be the focus when talking about leaders of the pack, not minutes played, post contact metres etc. ... IMO....

2024-01-25T03:15:33+00:00

souvalis

Roar Rookie


OK. You take Haumole.

2024-01-25T02:15:36+00:00

Brian Westlake

Roar Rookie


you tackle him then. I'm good thanks over here with the plebs

2024-01-25T02:13:56+00:00

Brian Westlake

Roar Rookie


100% on egos BG... It reminds me in the scene in "The Gentlemen" , when DryEye says something about the Silverback to Matthew McConaughey. And we all know how that ended. Good luck to the penrith lad as the others already have the runs on the board, so its going to be another level to get to to prove himself to replace particularly JWH. And we all know Uncle Nick loves Jared

2024-01-25T01:39:44+00:00

Muzz Manyana

Roar Rookie


The Big Dog will be the highest capped Rooster by seasons end.

2024-01-25T01:35:58+00:00

Muzz Manyana

Roar Rookie


I'd like to see him play on an edge.He'd be devastating Imo!

2024-01-25T00:47:45+00:00

Nat

Roar Guru


“Constant wailing” that JWH is picked on by the judiciary! By who - Robbo? He has been given more lives than a litter of kittens by the judiciary. I do like a no nonsense, tuck it under the wing prop but reserve judgment on Leniu as a pack leader. To play devils advocate he has had the luxury of playing behind a very dominant and skilful pack and half in a superior system. It’s along way to step up and a whole lot of scrutiny coming to a glamour club if you don’t meet expectations.

2024-01-25T00:34:25+00:00

Dutski

Roar Guru


Speaking of big IFs...

2024-01-25T00:16:39+00:00

souvalis

Roar Rookie


The enforcer of today is the one who hits and runs the hardest with purpose to hurt or injure without reverting to the grub. Haumole, Fish, Tino, Liam Martin for starters. JWH doesn't have the same natural ability to be feared at that level any more with the cleaning up of the game. Pine for him.

2024-01-25T00:04:21+00:00

Albo

Roar Rookie


Also needed is Brandon Smith to be fit and switched on all season !

2024-01-24T23:53:17+00:00

Dutski

Roar Guru


IF, and I appreciate it's a big IF, Crichton, Tupouniua and Radley can get back to anything near their best form then it's a cracking back row. If they can't, then Nat Butcher to lock, Crichton as the 4th middle and a back row of Wong and E Butcher is still solid if not spectacular.

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