How do A-League fans convince police that passion is not a crime?

Yeah righto. You just want to whinge that anything league makes news and nobody could care less about anything soccer. Enjoy your 1am games when A League is dead and you fans are the ones who kill it.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/alleged-victim-of-former-nrl-star-george-burgess-groping-breaks-down-in-court/news-story/62aab4bd8213ba15ca4f83c00905fa98 It is a never ending supply in rugba loig. Too many to report! Shame they don’t shame the game as much as they should, though.

I think this just proves my point. You get disappointed when the papers report on the mugs and thugs in soccer. Yet in no world does a country soccer team fight make the papers. You shouldn’t complain when the national comp makes news when other codes make news in a country pub.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/courthouse-hotel-brawl-video-country-rugby-league-teams-allegedly-involved-in-wild-pub-fight/news-story/6ec0fe9bda8c6b0133025fed926641f9?amp Perhaps you could report on this rugby league brawl. It doesn’t always have to reports on football (soccer).

My understanding of events that went down with the RBB last weekend, is that WSW have had systems, protocols, and marshaling in place for some time. Unfortunately based on what Daniel McBreen reported, when the stadium changed their security provider, communication broke down. At the weekend there was a lock out of the nominated and identifiable people marshaling the TIFO at the stadium, leading to escalation, police engagement and arrests. So it may not be foolproof, especially if stadium security and police continue to have an attitude problem. I applaud Kaz and Brisbane Roar for the rapid and sensible response, and hope that it will be successful. It is possibly not everything we were hoping for. Having seen the Brisbane footage, I have been shocked, and feel less safe knowing that there may be armed and aggressive police officers out there in the broader community free to behave as they please. And that is me speaking as a senior citizen. I hope that what has been announced is just the start of the relationship rebuilding. It cannot be the be all and end all, and must not be matter of set and forget. I would like to see a process to monitor progress. Ideally a formal complaints process where members and supporters can forward issues to the club. Meanwhile, it sounds like Brisbane Roar are stepping up to the plate. Hopefully Suncorp Security and QPS step up also.

Lionheart/Waz - this discussion you are having about the pros and cons as to how Roar are being run does have to go back into the localised history of our game for it is not the first time this club has faced the ups and downs of performance level. In 1957 a group of Dutch migrants out in the Western Suburbs decided to have their own football club which they named Hollandia. They worked extremely hard and inside a few years had not only purchased acreage at Richlands but had seen their team progress up through the local leagues to become a local first division team. Altogether what one would say a very successful decade. As is quite normal in our game jealousies began to surface between Hollandia and the also ran clubs who made up the competition, jealousies that reached their peak when the ASF announced there was going to be a national league and entries were to be forthcoming. Hollandia were the only Qld team with the means to enter but quickly ran into opposition from the top Qld body, the QSF. who DEMANDED that the NSL games would HAVE to be played at Perry Park for at least 3 seasons, this meaning Hollandia/Lions could not use their own developed ground at Progress Road. By now the Lions board was being run by a chairman with some 15 years experience in the job and he ,and his team, set about making the changes needed for the team to be a success in the national league. John Morcus opened the management committee to other nationalities mainly due to the fact that many of the original "starters " were now pensioners and more interested in watching "their" team winning, than toiling in back breaking work. Changes were made right down the line and each director was given a job and it was him who had to report to the committee as to his departmental performance. This began to have an effect and by 1980 the first team was sitting in a comfortable position in the league whilst winning the national trophy. Very quietly ,not publicised, was the fact that every time Lions took the field there were at least 3 locals in the run on squad and another 2 or 3 locals sitting on the bench However this was not to last and by now the previous jealousies that had existed between the QSF and some other clubs began to assail the boardroom at Lions. The men who had supervised the changes in management, Morcus and secretary Boegheim, left the club for various reasons and the coach was replaced in a hush hush manner by someone in the new committee, being brought from Holland, but unfortunately was another example of bad decision making . He lasted 2 seasons. Unfortunately a downward spiral now commenced aided and abetted by departure of players some experienced , some to better their chances. Jim Mclean, Alan Hunter, Danny Wright, Steven Jackson , John Stewart all moved south, while Jim Hermiston retired, Bobby Ferris returned to Scotland, Calvin Daunt went to Taringa, Billy Willianson left to go coaching, and Steven Hogg and Paul Ontong left to follow their job careers. It became obvious the new management were caught short and by 1986/7 the team was dropped from the NSL when they finished last in the comp. Brisbane City had already been "dropped" so Qld was left without a team in the national league. So in only 7 seasons disaster had been achieved ,while the habit of changing coaches as a be all end all cure commenced using 8 different coaches in 10 years.!!!!!! Come 2004 and it was announced there was going to be a fully professional competition. Lions had been enjoying a long spell winning the local competition albeit far short of the standard required but undeterred, the management ploughed ahead and problem followed problem as committees/owners changed, financial aims were proving difficult and as year passed year it became harder to work out how decisions were being made from boardroom down to the reserve team. Come 2009 a glimpse of hope. Another coach was employed, rumoured to be a "I'll make all the football decisions man" and for 2 glorious years Hollandis/Lions/Roar dominated the league. Unfortunately it was not to last and we appear to be back in the "dark days with Lionheart ever so hopeful and Waz apparently past that stage. jb.

Ballymore has proven a mess but get a grip, it’s been badly managed by the QRU who are way behind on any works and upgrades. The lack of a home in Brisbane is the real cause. You gloat, like you really do want them to fail. Give it and them a break Waz. Go find yourself a club to support, plenty of winning teams in three other codes locally.

Police can make security do stupid things. In the old days some idiot posted a fake CCM hools page saying they were going to fight Sydney FC so the riot squad came to the Gosford games. This weird security guy goes into the away bay and tries to take the only woman in the away bay off with him , upon which I assume it was the husband and his friends then start arguing and then he persist dragging her off so then they were beating him up. Then the riot squad came in with pepper spray but the pepper spray took the ire of someone in the next row who then came at the riot police fists flying and more pepper spray didnt stop him. They ended up dragging that guy off and leaving the original lot, I never saw that security guy again.

Well here’s another one that’s not historical: “ Due to unforeseen circumstances related to meeting league-wide lighting requirements, the kick-off time for the match has been pushed forwards to 3:00 PM Australian Eastern Standard Time (AEST).” Unforeseen circumstances - every football club knows to check the lighting preseason lol. It’s this simple - Kaz & Zac can’t avoid the history, all they can do is PROVE they are different in action not words. Getting games in to stadiums with the right lighting would be a good start.

lost another reply, my bad, but I’ll quickly reply. Can’t blame new management for injuries and resultant losses, both teams. The two are directly related. You know the why for coaches, unless you expect them to find/sign a Jurgen Klopp overnight, mid-season, what did you expect? The women’s coach decision was decisive and needed, turned the team around, also some excellent signings. Can’t blame new execs for grounds, inherited issue, give them time. Anton left or was sacked, it happens (lots). He brought some value but overrated, turning us into SA mk 2, closed Academy junior teams and overlooked locals like Waddingham, Brownlee, Blackledge, McNichol, etal. New execs have done what they said in building Roar’s Qld identity, bringing back former local players Brown, Acton, Nichols & others. Coming home is their theme and that’s what they’re doing (Suncorp is in Brisbane). Their signings, like Bereunger and Rojas are credit to them, both speak v highly about execs. Unlike previous years, we haven’t rushed into a dud signing of a striker/mf to sit on the bench. I see that as a positive, we need the right striker, not any striker. ‘A bit rich’ comment on the Roar email. Waz, as an adult who’s probably twice your age and has had a long career in senior management, I find your reaction and comment from that statement on, immature and emotive. I don’t know where AL Memes got their copy, mine was by email and on the BRFC website, but that aside, it’s who signs the letter and what it says that matters. Staff have been writing letters for execs for decades, welcome to the 21st century. Besides, as I said, they replied to my own email very promptly and told me the steps they had already taken regarding emergency meeting with stadium and police (ahead of normal post match meeting). This was way (24 hours) before any other club or APL had written to fans or issued a statement. What are you expecting? More emails and lots of Tweets? Ban police and security? and announce a move back to Redcliffe? before they even talk to anyone involved. Be reasonable.

Did you not get my point about stopping whingeing and just turning up for games? In your later message you talk about “poor crowds”. If football fans like you refuse to turn up, of course crowds will be poor. People go on about WU and Bulls poor crowds, well unfortunately Brisbane Roar getting a crowd of 5000 is worse when Brisbane and the whole of QLD only have one team.

Tiger the simple truth is that there are more ejections in League, AFL, cricket than there are in football. The clowns like Brett and Tufnose are just your typical easily led by the nose stirrers who don't know when to go away. Just treat them with the contempt the rest of us do.

Lionheart, I don’t refuse to accept efforts to turn the club around, I just refuse to accept words as evidence the club is being turned around. Until then the new management team get some breathing space to get things done but let’s look at where we are this season: - poor men’s team performance - poor women’s team performance - an injury crisis in the men’s squad - 4 coaches in 4 weeks for the men and. Change 2 rounds in for women - former employee taking the club to court for wrongful dismissal - poor crowds, men and women. - record defeats, men, women & youth - nomadic training grounds: at least 4 for the men - no permanent training ground for the men next season (the club are unsure of where they’ll train, maybe Meakin Park) And this comment: “I might add, as its topical, Roar CEO had a very reassuring email out to fans within 24 hours of Sunday’s game” That’s a bit rich after AL Memes posted it was written by AI …. But again, nice words - can we see some action! Now, I’m prepared to say some of the blame lies with prior management and that K&Z need time to fix things up … but it seems that whatever they are fixing up they can’t talk about. My response was to someone who said “fans just need to turn up” and the response is no, a strong no they don’t - the club need to work hard to get fans back and lose the entitlement thinking. And having 13 year olds man-handled by Police and middle aged men verbally abused by police should be their concern. And one email doesn’t even come close to the hundreds if not thousands of posts, likes, clicks, and shares this topic is doing. We are potentially days away from a national boycott by active support and I hope the club have done more than get Chat GBT to pen a heartfelt email.

With squadi, no idea other than the complaints I see on line. That's a software issue is it not? Wouldn't be the first time an app hasn't worked as advertised. I praise FQ for their bigger issues, like their Nudgee grounds, academy.

Lionheart, You have no idea what’s going on then?

I’ve since seen the Den statement, that’s what I mean. They could well have just walked away as you suggested but that’s not leadership. I see plenty of young people at Roar matches, seemingly more this season. The Den, which is always excellent, look a lot more youthful this season, even wearing Young Brisbane shirts. Youth are not tainted like oldies, full of hope not despair, but they always need wise heads to guide them. Stand up Waz, don’t sit.

I replied earlier but looks like it's gone astray. The issues you raise are almost entirely historical Waz. Get over it, life's moved on, Roar's moved on. The current execs are trying exceptionally hard to turn Brisbane Roar FC around. There will be no increase to investment in the club until it is run professionally. It will take time, after years of what you describe in your regular historical features. Out of interest, I emailed the club after Sunday's topical game, before I received the CEOs email which was excellent and timely. I received a reply to my email almost immediately (still waiting on Suncorps reply), and then to my follow-up query. They care and they are trying very hard. We can't ask for anything more than they give their best effort. We'll get there, hang in.

Blah blah blah, never our fault, always someone else

I see the complaints Waz, some I saw over the Christmas/NY period pre-season were ridiculous, clubs expecting FQ staff to be immediately available to address their particular issue. Hope they sort it out.

You refuse to acknowledge any efforts by the club to turn things around. The issues you raise are largely historical, under previous management. The signs are there if you care to look. Brisbane City NPL (your club) refused to honor their coach's contract during Covid but no one, including you, said a word about that while you still dribble on about Roar. 'Not exactly illegal but immoral', I hope you bannered that at Spencer Park. How many others did it? The practice was ripe (across Australia, football clubs included). Everyone's aware of past woes, move on. No one thinks Roar's perfect now, certainly not me and not the fans I speak to on game day. Most only care about win/lose (good/bad) and all support the team. But everyone I speak to acknowledges they are trying very hard to turn the club around. If you can't see the improvements this season I can't help you. I'm not interested in personal vitriol, but your complete turnaround from your RSF days, being an advocate for Roar to its #1 critic tells me something is up Waz (definitely not a SpecSavers issue). I might add, as its topical, Roar CEO had a very reassuring email out to fans within 24 hours of Sunday's game. My email to them crossed in the ether but I got a detailed reply on their immediate actions a few hours later, and an immediate follow-up on a point I queried. This just has not happened under Fong or previous CEOs.