Did this controversial sin-binning cost Manly their season?

Please don’t blame your side’s lack of discipline on the referees. As a Raider’s fan, I cared not for who won last night but thought the ref’s did the best they could with what Manly gave them. A defender grabbing and yanking on a support player’s jumper in a try scoring position is a perfect example of what the professional foul/sin bin rule is there for.

The bin for goal line penaltys, I wish , Manly would have had no one left on the field..lol..they played dirty all night and should consider themselves lucky they weren't penalized 20+ times. GET over Manly fans...your boys weren't good..

I feel the referees lost it when the competition became the NRL, not the last few years. A Manly player should have been sent off for taking out a Souths player in the air. Penalty awarded but it should have been more. The sin bins were right to the point where penalty tries could have been considered for the fouls by the two Manly players. So many penalties? Maybe if the players and coached played the game within the rules.

Penalty? Yes. Send off? Ridiculous call. Escorting is a proffessional foul in the act of going for a try, but I have not seen anybody binned for this indiscretion. So all you lot calling it a fair call because it was a professional foul in the act of going for a try might want try and explain why nobody gets binned for escorting? The call to bin him was a stinker.

It is when it’s a clear line break and try scoring opportunity. Always has been

100%

You'll also find the last time manly played souths in R17 there was another skewed penalty count of 8-2 that got the bunnies over the line in that game as well.

No. A penalty does not necessarily mean a professional foul deserving of a bin. There are so many "professional fouls" occurring on the try line in every attacking/scoring play of every game that if they binned people on that basis there would be no one left on the field.

Easy. Manly infringed the rules on more occasions than South Sydney. When a team breaks the rules, they get penalised. Since Manly broke the rules on 9 occasions, so they got penalised 9 times. Let me know if you have any further questions

There have been ref's mistakes since 1908. I remember in the '70's a ref called Keith Page getting death threats because of his errors. Greg Hartley anyone ? Remember, originally no games were televised, then we had one game a week ....now every game is under scrutiny with multiple angles, slow mo etc. Of course every error will be highlighted. Some people will choose one incident, like this one, and say " It cost my team the game" ignoring, for example, the none sinbinning of Gosiewski (?) who thumped Douihei in the head when he was defenceless on the ground. Wasn't James Roberts binned for that against the Broncos ? Or Manly's last try, awarded despite an apparent bobble. There are numerous incidents in EVERY game which can be turning points. The other issue is the general shift in society towards " Victimhood " Everything's always someone else's fault, they're (or they're team) always hard done by. It's almost like a seperate competition to prove that they're team is being specifically targetted by the refs, or some NRL conspiracy which favours another team.

No offense but this was always going to be the outcome of last nights game, as both sets of fans seem to be the champions of the “refs fault” excuse.... The referees did a great job last night and made the right call here also. Dessie should be asking Jurbo what was going through his head rather than ringing annesley...

Really? Darcy Lawler cost West a GF in 1962 according to Magpie fans with a very dubious call on Johnny King. Hollywood Hartley used to ping one side ferociously for supposed penalties in the first half, then magically even things up in the second. Keith Page and others used to treat scrums as a lottery. I remember sitting on the Hill listening to opposition supporters having pretend bets on who would get a scrum penalty. Even Bill " I'm never wrong, just ask me" Harrigan made his fair share of blunders, one of which costs Balmain the 1989 GF - according to Tigers fans. Refs are human and do make mistakes but this is nothing new in the game.

I don't disagree with you're point about consistency Viva, but I think you're taking things a tad too far when you suggest the other sports you have don't have their own rules controversies. Only yesterday, for example, I was reading some comments from Mick Malthouse, a former AFL player & premiership winning coach, who was highly critical of the AFL judiciary, which has cost a key player his chance to play this weekend. The Ashes series was made more exciting by some very ordinary umpiring and I'm sure most other sports would have similar issues with rules.

If I was a Manly fan, I'd be furious with Jake T for putting his side in a position where the ref had to make a call about an avoidable incident. If he was close enough to interfere with the Souths player, he was close enough to make a tackle, IF the ball came back to Gagai. It's easy to scream about ref bias, etc, but really the ref was left with no choice. Jake T committed a professional foul and was sinned binned.

I’m not trying to be a jerk to Manly fans but you can’t post photos here. It’s as clear cut as anything I’ve seen...

Absolutely! (.....and love the avatar change) :stoked:

Johns and Vautin were pathetic last night In the post match wrap they freeze framed it and Fittler was saying that maybe Gagai went down too easily but you can see Jurbo grab the jersey. Johns and Vautin had nothing for a split second, then started blustering with their “ah turn it up” nonsense and then Joey started blathering about “feel for the game”. Neither could address Fittler’s point about Jurbo having hold of the jersey. Interfering with a support runner has been a professional foul as long as I’ve been watching footy. Anyone calling it a “one off ruling” or an “optical illusion” has their head in the sand

But as soon as you admit it’s a penalty, it’s a professional foul and the sin bin is warranted.

Pause this video around 7 seconds and 41 seconds and tell me Jurbo doesn’t grab his jersey. Look at my new (temporary) profile pic and tell me Jurbo doesn’t have hold of Gagai’s jersey. That ends the story. You can’t do that. It’s a professional foul.

It's all about the C word for me... Consistency. Always going to be errors but that seemed soft to me and decided the game. Argument always goes something like this... If that was a binning, how did Croker stay on the field last week? I can't think of another sport so reliant on refs decisions to decide games. It must be a result of the rules and the interpretations... Cricket, football, AFL, golf, basketball, union, netball, bog snorkelling... none of them have controversy of NRL... Klein summed it up for me last week saying they had to decide which infringements to call because there are multiples each set... ????