Big off-season decisions already haunting the Panthers and Warriors

By Ryan O'Connell / Expert

For the last few seasons, I’ve written an overreactions piece after the first round of the NRL, as a tongue-in-cheek way to poke fun at those that read too much into one, early-season, round of footy games.

Whilst I think three rounds remains too small of a sample size to arrive at any definitive conclusions on the season ahead, and teams certainly shouldn’t be pressing the panic button just yet, by the same token, under-reacting can see your season slip away before you’ve had a chance to course-correct it.

Most pundits had the Storm, Rabbitohs, Sharks and Roosters finishing in the top four in some order, and Round 3 saw those expected competition heavyweights flex their muscle. Either through big wins (Cronulla and Sydney) or staying undefeated (South Sydney), or both (Melbourne), all of those teams provided validation for the opinion they’ll still be standing at the business end of the season.

Conversely, some teams already have their fans feeling a little nervous and anxious, along with questioning the big moves they made in the off season.

Which brings us neatly to the Penrith Panthers and New Zealand Warriors.

The potential negative impact of the video sex scandals aside, a lot was expected of the Panthers in 2019. A top eight finish last season – despite the bizarre choice to sack their coach on the eve of the finals – and the recruiting ‘coup’ of stealing Ivan Cleary from the Wests Tigers, had optimism levels high for the Mountain Men this year.

Again, it’s early, but thus far the Panthers have looked well off the pace. The team has one victory from three games, and even that win against the Newcastle Knights was far from convincing.

Penrith haven’t scored a try in their last 116 minutes of action, and though a lot of the credit for that statistic should go to the Storm’s defense on Saturday night, it’s also a bit of a concern for the Panthers’ attack. They’ve scored just 30 points for the season, with only cellar-dwellers, the Gold Coast Titans, failing to trouble the scoreboard attendant less often than Penrith.

The halves – James Maloney and Nathan Cleary – are rightfully feeling some heat for the damning lack of points, but Penrith aren’t getting much from the dummy-half position, and unbelievably, no player in the backline has crossed for a try.

Given the sluggish start to the season, you would expect most stats are going to be relatively poor, but at some point – perhaps sooner rather than later – questions should be asked of Penrith’s big name signing: their coach.

Ivan Cleary (Photo: Renee McKay/Getty Images)

Panthers general manager of football, Phil Gould, announced the signing of Ivan Cleary to much fanfare, and even more controversy, given that Cleary was already contracted to the Wests Tigers.

While getting Cleary’s signature was touted as a stroke of genius – and a touch underhanded – by Gould, the commentary was dominated by the narrative of it being savvy because it ensured young halfback Nathan Cleary would stay at the club. The talk about Cleary actually being a great coach was a little less pronounced.

So let’s talk about Ivan’s coaching.

He began his NRL coaching career with the New Zealand Warriors in 2006, staying with the club for the next six years. The highlight was his final season, when he guided them to the 2011 NRL grand final, where, as the underdog, they lost 24–10 against Manly. His overall winning percentage with the Warriors was 49 per cent.

The next season he moved to Penrith, and after a couple of tough seasons, he took the Panthers to the preliminary final in 2015, eventually losing to the Bulldogs, but being named the Dally M coach of the year. However, at the conclusion of the next season, after narrowly avoiding the wooden spoon in the season’s last game, Cleary was fired. His overall winning percentage with Panthers was 45 per cent.

After a year off, he returned to the NRL with the Wests Tigers. He led the team to a 14th place finish in 2017, and a spirited ninth place finish in 2018. Though he received credit for doing a good job, the record will show no finals appearances in his two seasons there. His overall winning percentage with the Tigers was 42%.

Ivan Cleary at the Tigers. (AAP Image/Paul Miller)

Including his second stint with the Panthers this season, Cleary currently has a 47 per cent winning percentage, having won 145 games, and lost 162. That’s not terrible, but it’s not great.

In fact, hovering at roughly a 50 per cent strike rate, one could suggest it’s decidedly . . . average.

So the question rightfully needs to be asked, is Ivan Cleary a good coach?

It’s not a question I’m qualified to confidently answer, but it is a question Gus Gould may need to ask himself very soon. Though one would hope he asked himself that before he signed Ivan. For the second time.

Meanwhile, a question you would hope the New Zealand Warriors asked themselves was ‘Are we better off without Shaun Johnson?’

I struggle to believe the answer to that question could ever be ‘Yes’, unless you had an equal, or better, replacement for him. Spoiler alert, but I certainly don’t think Adam Keighran is.

Former Warrior Shaun Johnson (Tony Feder/Getty Images)

For whatever reason, the Warriors decided to part ways with Johnson, telling him he should look around for his next contract, and eventually letting him go a season early. The half had no shortage of suitors, and eventually signed with the Sharks.

The reasons for the Warriors going cold on one of the best players in the competition were never fully revealed, though there was talk that management didn’t feel Johnson was worth a price tag of over a $1 million a season.

If that’s true, then quite simply, they’re wrong.

When you look at the money that Ben Hunt, Anthony Milford and Michael Morgan can reportedly command, that becomes the market for good halves. And you could easily mount the argument that Johnson is better than all of them. So, he is worth $1 million, plus.

There are rumours that Johnson had fallen out with management and the leadership team, and that keeping him would have caused damage to the culture of the club. If true, that’s a bold decision and somewhat commendable. Though it does raises questions of how the situation was allowed to get that bad.

Irrespective, it’s a big call to send your best player packing without a better replacement, and if it was done in the best interests of the team, I can only assume the Warriors mean “for the long term”, because it’s left them talent-depleted this season. The fact Johnson also carved up for Cronulla on the weekend certainly rubs salt into the wound.

It’s a decision that may come back to haunt the Warriors, if it hasn’t already.

Perhaps they can look at the Panthers and console themselves with the fact they might not be the only team to regret their off-season decisions.

The Crowd Says:

2019-04-04T01:48:05+00:00

The Barry

Roar Guru


I don’t share that opinion at all about Klemmer’s form. He was remarkably consistent last year. Klemmer was a victim of the Bulldogs form, not the other way around.

2019-04-04T01:34:41+00:00

Bulldog53

Roar Rookie


While most bulldogs fans didn't like to see Klemmer go, they accepted that Napa was as close as they could get like for like. Napa still has some improving in him, adapting to a different style and responsibilities. Forget Sue. Klemmer, along with Woods and Mbye, played the opening half of last season and didn't set the world on fire. When he was selected for SOO, it certainly wasn't due to form. Bulldog fans also realise that releasing Klemmer and signing Napa saved the club enough money to top up some of the lower paid players, due to the back ended deal he was on. So while the release of Klemmer was not ideal, it was necessary, especially as Klemmer wanted to go.

2019-04-03T14:33:24+00:00

Chilli

Roar Rookie


Hiring Ivan Cleary is hands down the stupidest move in NRL history and panthers are a laughing stock. Gus wore that scrutiny and we are all thinking him a goose, but wasn’t him at all now was it. Gus sacks Cleary who was on a up and comer wage, Dave Oneill rehires Cleary at massive overs even though his form didn’t change, adding in a payout of old coach griffin and to boot they paid tigers compensation for raiding Cleary and you have a blatant snapshot of utter incompetence and poor business. Wondering who the next chairman will be? Ask Gus mate, he is currently in the process of outing Dave Oneill for his lack of ability, O’Neill has already apologised to Gus through the media.. Gus is holding AA and the rest of the board are poised to go all in.

2019-04-03T03:06:22+00:00

John

Guest


Gus also added another layer of teflon when he stated Cleary doesn't listen to him anymore and he doesn't have any involvement in the team. Pretty much just piled everything on Cleary.

2019-04-02T23:57:49+00:00

Superspud

Roar Rookie


And I can assure you that had the Roosters carried 2016 results into 2017 the trigger would have been pulled on Robbo.

2019-04-02T21:00:35+00:00

Stu

Guest


Attitude was only an issue for SJ once SJ was gone. Don't let Cameron George's BS spin become fact.

2019-04-02T11:53:17+00:00

Sylvester

Guest


I'm not panicking about either of these teams just yet. Didn't the winless Doggies just flog the high-flying Tigers?

2019-04-02T11:48:48+00:00

Sylvester

Guest


They obviously expected Johnson to play this year, given he was contracted. It was Johnson who sought the release, remember? They planned to introduce CHT/AK as backup, which was sensible. Lino isn't some wunderkind either. He played years in reserve grade and in reality only had two or three good games filling in for Johnson. Plus, a fullback is preferred to him at the Knights so...

2019-04-02T09:36:07+00:00

slobba

Roar Rookie


Broncos rejects!!! Current Kangaroo and a KIWI international. I am sure there are few clubs that would take more of those rejects

2019-04-02T09:30:54+00:00

Superspud

Roar Rookie


Pitched outside, was going down, hit me outside the line, was too high and I got an inside edge Also I have questions over the bowlers front foot. At least that's how I remember it.

2019-04-02T09:19:18+00:00

CTSTORM

Guest


Why is QLD Cowboys coach not part of all these latest discussions. They have had a good roster since winning the cup back in 2015. They have three intrust cup teams (Pride, BH and MC) whom they can develop their players rather than buying rejects from Broncos.

2019-04-02T08:50:09+00:00

AE47

Roar Rookie


No just poor recruiting, let’s face it the media hype got yaz all again, just like the Ponga hype and the bindi hype ( he rode his entire career on 1 flick pass) lol So much “potential “ very little reality

2019-04-02T07:58:54+00:00

The Barry

Roar Guru


Brutal...isn’t there an unwritten rule about that? Was it out...?

2019-04-02T07:09:43+00:00

Gus Paella

Roar Rookie


I feel that the Panthers roster has no dangerous players. Much of the roster are players that got to a rep level and plateaued. Whether Cleary can develop players as well as coaching a winning game plan will be interesting to see.

2019-04-02T06:44:34+00:00

Superspud

Roar Rookie


Is that what he said? I'm not sure but I thought he was speaking about the comms breakdown in general not the specific decision.

2019-04-02T06:36:14+00:00

a

Roar Rookie


And you should add Cowboys to the deiscussion to

AUTHOR

2019-04-02T06:29:45+00:00

Ryan O'Connell

Expert


Trial games?!

2019-04-02T06:08:29+00:00

BA Sports

Roar Guru


Good old Wikipedia. According to Wikipedia; 164 games at the Warriors from 2006-2011. That is an average of 27.3 games per year over 6 years. I would put to you that given they played 24 regular season games every year from 2006-2011 that it is pretty hard to average that many games per year when you are not making the prelim final at least every year. And since they played a total of 8 finals games in that 6 year window – the numbers don’t add up. My best bet would be some Wikipedia contribuor has factored in some byes or something somewhere along the line or mybe they just typed a 5 instead of six? But that doesn’t account for being 2 games out on their Penrith count…. Who knows…. ????

2019-04-02T05:41:06+00:00

Papi Smurf

Roar Rookie


Much as I hope that it doesn't come to that, that could be the case if things deteriorate any further. Inglis is a champion player who deserves a better finish but in all the games he has played this year (and I have seen them all) he has not been fired up or motivated for ANY of them. Which is especially disappointing considering he is the club captain. I really hope Inglis turns things around because a lack of effort, motivation and intensity cannot be blamed on an injury or lack of fitness. Big Sam's 2014 GF performance is proof of that.

AUTHOR

2019-04-02T05:39:33+00:00

Ryan O'Connell

Expert


(Apologies for the lack of paragraphs in that reply - something weird going on with the formatting!)

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