LISTEN: Should John Longmire be under more pressure?

I’d say this a lot to do with being locked out of the draft a couple years ago as punishment for not breaking any rules.

too bad, the million dollar club isn't so great after all is it

Quagmire has his team playing a style where the intention is to drag the opposition down to his level. It won't win you premierships. Footy's not that complicated. It's an insular, incestuous industry with a groupthink culture. Only Victoria, SA and WA (which are about 10 million people combined) give a stuff about the game so what do you expect. Why Bolton won't get the sack after losing 26 of 29, how Lyon is hailed as one of the great coaches despite exactly zero premierships (with some great lists), how Roos is held in high esteem despite playing a style that was unwatchable and had no nuance, how Brad Scott can keep a job, etc.

You say this as an experienced AFL coach right? I think not. Opinions from chump footy followers with axes to grind are often at odds with actual outcomes. Your view is just another example. Thanks, but you are back where you started; ie no relevance to the assessment of Longmire’s worth to Sydney or his future.

Not at all; his outstanding record must stand for something; especially when times get tough. They'll come good.

But Quagmire brought them to the point they are now which is playing an unwatchable style of football where they bomb it in hope to the 33 year old full forward that hasn't trained in 12 months and has 3.5 years remaining and about $4.8 million still owing to him. Clarko doesn't get any high draft picks. He's working with nothing. Plus everyone gets long in the tooth. Messages no longer resonate after a while. Change is good. AFL clubs are petrified of change. Scared of backing themselves and making the wrong decision. Probably a cultural thing too. Why we're still trying to sell coal to the world.

The game plan has been bad for several seasons.

Are you trying to build an argument to support your question of tanking? I don't think your premise or your examples do that. Of course play to strengths when you have the cattle you need across all or most of the game plan; we don't right now via injury and inexperience. Mills is a defender and should remain so, it's been well publicised in Swans circles that Papley was going to get midfield experience. Nothing unusual in what you see at the Swans given their circumstances , game day and otherwise

Someone the other day wrote play what you have in positions that suit them. Horse is trying to make players versatile instead of just playing them to their strengths. Mills continues in defense while Papley comes into the middle. Where was Fox playing? Why wasn't he in defense and Cunningham on the wing? Are we tanking?

Longmire record grants a certain amount of latitude, anyone who doesn't think the swans weren't aware of what was approaching after years of prolonged success are delusional. Hawthorn are in a similar situation to Sydney and there is no talk of Clarkson under the pump, Longmire is the most successful coach after him in last decade something ppl are forgetting.

So, perhaps as you suggest serial underachievers like Bolton and others deserve to be moved on, but that is not the case with Longmire, the subject of this article. Swans have had sustained success over longer than all but two other teams, so stability has been earned. Saying that this year is crap is by now stating the obvious, so repeating it doesn't have any meaningful purpose. It's not over yet, but expectations are low. Longmire would need say two more years after this of sustained poor results to be considered for moving on, similar to numerous others and much less than some who have coached dud sides or one slam wonders for years and years.

Side is underperforming yes, as far as I am concerned he is not; can you specifiy how you see he is underperforming? I didn't see any such forecasts of Swans playing finals and I certainly didn't; can you id who did so? Geelong haven't won a GF since 2011 and won only three finals out of 6+ appearances under the same coach as they have currently......is he underperforming?

Why shouldn’t he? Side is clearly underperforming. Swans fans on this board all said Sydney would play finals and here they sit in 18th

Unavoidable part of the process I think Andy.

Not without the cattle he can't. He doesn't have them and won't for at least 18 months. After that, he should be expected to present a team that can consistently compete at the top half of the table. That's all the likes of the top 8 do now with the exception of Geelong which is currently dominating, like the Swans did for many of the past 15 years. Amazing Geelong. Not realistic for the Swans to return to that much before 5 years I wouldn't think.

There's a tremendous lack of pressure on all coaches that have serially underachieved in recent years (I don't think Longmire has underachieved like Bolton, Lyon, Richardson he's just not adapted and hands are tied by list management decisions). Bolton has lost 26 of the last 29 games I think it is. People will say with a serious, solemn face that the side is on track to be successful. There's this idea that stability begets success. Stability is a consequence of sustained success, not a precursor.

Should they be talking contract extensions this early though?

What about changing the old staid game plan. Is he able to?

Play ALL kids. And Buddy. The great careers of Jack and McVeigh and Smith and Grundy and possibly even Kennedy - maybe time to draw a line? Bring in some hard 24s on the mid season Find a few Marty Mattner types for next year. Especially in the backline. Broad and Garthwaite types. But 100 games min

Easy question, simple answer. No, he shouldn’t.