Australia should use its next ODI series as a development tour

Four years is a heck of a long time to try to pick players who will play in future years. It’s very possible that young players who never get a mention now will pull on the baggy green by then.

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Needs more Sam Heazlett

Yep. Some forward planning for ODIs is fine, unlike Tests not every ODI counts for anything – only the WC. Wholesale change just leaves the side with too many inexperienced players, and nobody to learn from. There is no hurry, in four years time a lot of the promising looking players now will have been cast aside – probably even by their states. By all means, start the process, but see who retires from the format between now and January first.

Yes. If a player is supposedly "too old" by the time the CWC23 comes around, let them be forced out by weight of performances from younger challengers. If that doesn't happen then haven't you got the best player in the team? The exception to that rule is having team mix right to deliver the preferred game plan. So a few changes for sure, but not wholesale overhaul.

I'm not sure that doing a mass overhaul this far out is the way to go. Given the timing, resting the players from the Sydney Test squad makes sense. Resting, not learning bad habits in the BBL - though senior players should be ablw to manage the change. There is definite room to swap a few players around, under-performers and those needing a rest. And I can see CA comtemplating sending a weak team in protest over the BCCI forcing the timing; I suspect they would be too scared to do that.

The last one did, yep, however a first offer came to CA from Channel 10 to cover all domestic stuff – amazingly, including the Shield, yet the Fox offer eventually trumped it cause you know, $1billion sure beats $880million or whatever Ten had offered…could have done wonders for forgotten competitions like the Shield and One-Day cup…

The BBL can survive without the top ODI players for the 6 day match duration plus prep/travel days required for the India tour. The primary reason the League format was introduced for qualification to CWC23 was to provide context for what were perceived to be "meaningless" bilateral ODI series. Although this India tour precedes commencement of the League, Australia needs to stop using ODIs for experimentation and rather treat selection in the national team as a real achievement, attained only by players who have forced their way in via strong and consistent performances in other competitions/tours. And the ODIs themselves should be used to coalesce the team and settle on optimal strategy. The only reason perhaps for supporting a weaker strength Australian side on this occasion would be to "stick it" to the BCCI for the India board being what CA considers to be unreasonable for not agreeing to CA's request for rescheduling, even though CA did sign off on the Future Tours Program 2 years ago. However ultimately Australia would just be poking the tiger in the eye through this approach.

I find it easy to imagine Warner, Smith and in spite of a disappointing World Cup Maxwell being in the mix for the 2019 World Cup, when presumably all three will be going strong. It’s harder to predict with the bowlers, granted. I can also easily imagine the reaction from Cricket Australia and fans generally if India arrived for an ODI series without Kohli, Sharma, Shami etc. It’s not hard to see why other cricket boards and overseas fans would take a dim view, reflected in lower attendances, lower TV ratings, lesser sponsorship deals and ultimately fewer ODI games scheduled, ultimately. Not exactly an ideal environment in which for ODI cricket to vie for relevance, ahead of the 2023 World Cup and beyond. Sure, we need to prepare and get a group of match ready players as England have done. I’m pretty sure England picked their best team, four years ago and thereafter. There are other ways of preparing our players, with more attention given to our domestic 50 over competition and targeted Australia A tours as Jeff has previously discussed. We still need room for our best players in any national team picked, without throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

We spent 4 years and about 3 months using the ODI side to give experimental players(or as the national set up called them PONI's) experience. It lead to one of the worst periods of ODI performance in our history. It can never be allow to happen again. Hopefully now Howard is gone these new guys can change it up. I hold little hope though. Punter may have more influence now though and get things moving in the right direction.

Has the cash cow league actually produced any cash yet? Did the last TV deal finally get it over the line?

Nice idea, it would also boost interest in the BBL if all the top level Australians were playing. It won't happen of course, CA are too limited in their thinking to plan for a WC four years away and at the same time boost interest in their ailing cash cow local league.

Pope is still very young, he has so much development left in him, but right now he has a massive hole in his bowling arsenal - the lack of a good leg break. He relies so heavily on his googly and once you do that your googly is no longer a surprise and loses its effectiveness. Pope needs to develop a good leg break to use as his stock delivery and then keep the googly as a shock delivery. Look at his debut Shield season - he took 7-for in his 3rd innings almost entirely through googlies. Every team took note, starting playing him as a googly bowler rather than a traditional leg spinner, and he took 0-273 across his next five Shield innings. That will keep happening to him I think until he develops a good leg break.

Yeah I saw him and immediately think this bowler could get AUS on top in ODIS because he has the ability to give a rip and have a dangerous googly so, hopefully he will be in team very soon

Yeah can't wait lyiod pope in action for the green and gold

Nah! There is every possiblity that this team could play 2023 world cup and that is David Warner, Aaron finch, Steve Smith ,cam bancroft, Ashton turner, Alex Carey ,darcy short, pat cummins ,jhy Richardson ,Mitchell starc, and lyiod pope, pet handscomb, Mitch Marsh, Adam zampa, Glenn Maxwell so,AUS must play their all players in every series to have a chance to win that cup

No-one will care to much for the next three years. But they should put out a team to win each game as if it were a test. They are internationals and respect is needed for the opposition and the cap for us.

Australia like most other nations are treating ODI's as development now by opening the summer or tacking it on to the end, while leaving the peak holiday period for T20. However they still need to derive some income from those games and treating them like an Under 23 tournament won't help that. Smith, Warner, Starc, Cummins no doubt will be rested at times, but they are also contracted players and draw cards. No reason Warner can't be there in 2023, other than a sharp form deterioration. Agree all the others are unlikely to be there, but past campaigns have included a player in mid thirties who's in fair recent form, so never say never.

Richardson’s ODI record is slightly better than B’Dorffs and is a year younger.

Useful from a development perspective. You’d have to almost forget results though, because a side as inexperienced as that could have South Africa 2016-esque struggles. Another worth considering I think is Bancroft. Highly capable in the shorter stuff, including some List-A innings of brilliance with Durham. Will be 30 at the next World Cup and so surely a chance to feature. Peter Handscomb will be 32, yet with his nous against spin and recent efforts in India, I’d imagine he’d be firmly in the frame.