Do we even want the Gold Coast Suns to succeed?

By Marnie Cohen / Expert

At the beginning of October, St Kilda football boss Simon Lethlean confirmed the club was thinking about making a play for Gold Coast’s Ben King in the 2020 trade period.

Brother Max was drafted to the Saints in the 2018 draft and Lethlean was open about the desire to have the twin towers lining up together in the 2021 season.

“It’s obviously a romantic thought to have twins playing together,” he told AFL Trade Radio.

“That’s a pretty clear-cut one – Ben is playing at Gold Coast next year, and if he doesn’t sign and looks to move next year we’ll talk to him.”

King signed an extension with the Suns a couple of weeks later, keeping him a contracted until the end of 2022. And the news was widely celebrated by the AFL community, who knew this was a step in the right direction for the struggling Gold Coast.

As a society we cheer the Suns on to victory when they aren’t playing against our team and we celebrate things such as Ben King’s contract extension.

But is that support really genuine? Do we even want the Suns to succeed?

Or do we hope they win a game against opposition supporters just to stick it to the losing side?

Or hope that an opposition club gets stitched up because a talented player actually wants to commit to the Suns, instead of turning their back in search of something more?

It’s a blurred line and it’s worth asking the question.

Personally? I’d like to see them succeed. It would be good for footy to have a genuinely competitive 18-team competition. Not all teams can be up and about every year, but we don’t need a league where we focus on 17-team analysis and leave the Suns behind.

(Photo by Graham Denholm/AFL Photos via Getty Images)

At times, it’s hard to get a grip on what exactly the Suns are trying to achieve and where they are going.

The Jack Martin situation is a perfect example of this.

Following months of speculation that Martin wanted a move to Victoria to continue his AFL career, he officially requested a trade to Carlton at the end of the home-and-away season.

By the end of the trade period, a deal between the two parties could not be reached.

Now, Martin will either walk out of the Suns, put a price on his head and enter himself into the pre-season draft with hope he will slip through to be taken by Carlton with pick three, or the Suns will successfully convince him to re-sign between now and then and he will remain at the club.

Last week, I had a rant about Carlton’s approach to the situation and this week I’m putting the heat on the Suns because they’ve sent out a lot of mixed messages in this situation.

Martin, who has been talked up as the next big thing by the media since initial whispers of his move to Melbourne emerged, was dropped by the Suns prior to their Round 21 encounter with Brisbane. He didn’t play for the rest of the season. Nor did he finish in the top ten of the Suns’ best and fairest.

That’s totally fine. What different individuals and clubs see in a player may vary.

But between then and the time Martin officially requested a trade, the club has done a complete 180.

They are more than welcome to name their price for any player who may want to leave. But for a player that missed out on the final three games of the season and missed the top ten of the club best and fairest, the Suns all of a sudden rated him exceptionally highly.

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The final trade offer that was reported by the AFL website’s Callum Twomey was Carlton’s pick nine in exchange for Martin and pick 15.

At the end of the trade period, Gold Coast president Tony Cochrane said their hard stance with the Martin trade was the sign of a new-look Suns.

“We wanted to send a strong message that we are not the club we were. We have changed and in line with that we have made a strong and bold statement,” he said.

There’s nothing wrong with Cochrane’s comments, and while I am impressed at the club’s approach, Martin will probably now walk away for nothing.

It’s contradictory to say you rate a player so highly and then sit him on the sidelines for the final three rounds of the season while the club is belted by 91, 70 and 72 points respectively.

So what’s going on here with the Suns?

They have some talent and it extends beyond Ben King. Co-captains Jarrod Witts and David Swallow are two very good players and servants of the club. Alex Sexton, Jack Bowes and Ben Ainsworth were all impressive throughout the course of the year.

Jack Lukosius can only improve in his second season and Izak Rankine will hopefully get his body right and make his debut.

And they brought in some handy talent during the trade period. Two-time premiership Tiger Brandon Ellis, Adelaide’s Hugh Greenwood and former Sun turned Cat Zac Smith all moved up north. All will be handy players for Gold Coast now and in the future.

They are building a core group of players nicely and if Stuart Dew can keep this up-and-coming group together, they may be able to turn things around. Add likely top two picks and best mates Matt Rowell and Noah Anderson, and things could be looking up.

But now it’s time for the Suns to take themselves seriously so those outside the club can too.

The AFL’s assistance package was an enormous boost that had “last chance” written all over it. They have a coach who is invested in his side and his players. They have a young group of talent that appears dedicated to the cause. They have a helping hand from the AFL.

If now isn’t the time to make things work, then I don’t know if the day will ever come.

And for the sake of our competition, we need to genuinely be with them all the way.

The Crowd Says:

2019-11-10T00:48:28+00:00

David Mohr

Roar Rookie


I hope they improve this year. Us Tasmanians are paying a million bucks for the pleasure of watching the North Melbourne vs Suns blockbuster in July! Fun times. Thanks AFL!

2019-11-03T01:16:01+00:00

Kane

Guest


He's only contracted until the end of October like every other player in the competition. He's not contracted for anywhere next year so why should Gold Coast be able to hold him.

2019-11-02T10:47:32+00:00

Seymorebutts

Guest


Thats why the cap on football department spending was so absurd. Imagine, you are an Ex Victorian AFL player, you get offered and assistant coaching gig over in Perth, your wife, who is a professional herself (doctor, lawyer, accountant etc) agrees to quit her job, and move across the continent.... In the third year, the coach gets sacked, the new one demands to pick his own new assistants.. and you are like the last one standing in a musical chairs game. You now want to move back... but what about your wife? Should she be expected to uproot herself again? The kids have to start all over again as well.

2019-10-30T11:25:28+00:00

Raimond

Roar Guru


amateur hour

2019-10-30T05:27:15+00:00

Macca

Roar Rookie


The Dee's have said they won't take him if he doesn't want to come and he doesn't want to play for Melbourne.

2019-10-30T03:40:41+00:00

michael RVC

Roar Pro


Not a big statement at all; these issues have been discussed widely on every forum I can think of for many years. And, as for the VFL's once hopelessly lopsided comp, well the facts are there for all to see either in retorspect or in real time, as I did. If you think I'm misguided, say why. Disappointed about 2016? Of course, but day to day don't give it a moments thought and haven't for years. Nowadays watching the Swans re-emerge as a power once again is giving me just as much satisfaction as watching them humiliate most of the rest of the comp for 20 years running.

2019-10-30T03:18:11+00:00

RT

Roar Rookie


The only way is up.

2019-10-30T03:17:20+00:00

Col from Brissie

Roar Guru


If GC delist him then we pick him up as a delisted free agent. Don’t have to worry about Melbourne in the PSD.

2019-10-30T02:09:48+00:00

Macca

Roar Rookie


I can't see the upside in Carlton swapping picks.

2019-10-30T01:10:52+00:00

Col from Brissie

Roar Guru


Rumours are that Gold Coast will delist Martin in the next few days. Maybe Carlton & Gold Coast are negotiating something draft swaps.

2019-10-30T00:01:18+00:00

reuster75

Roar Rookie


"But now it’s time for the Suns to take themselves seriously so those outside the club can too." Agreed and what better way to do this than sign Rhys Stanley.

2019-10-29T23:26:33+00:00

Brendan

Guest


Simple remedy to the problem highlighted by Martin: whatever contract is on offer during trade negotiations, it counts as double for the salary cap up to the date of free agency.

2019-10-29T23:01:56+00:00

Larrikin

Roar Rookie


the suns will win a premiership before freo do

2019-10-29T15:47:35+00:00

Aransan

Roar Rookie


It was in the interests of both club and player that Martin performed as well as he could. The sporting world is full of unfulfilled talents and there were several moves instigated by players in the last trade period which resulted in disappointment for the destination clubs. I could name two off the top of my head and both are well known.

2019-10-29T12:00:09+00:00

Seymorebutts

Guest


Yep, you hit the nail on the head... thats the real reason GC exist..extra TV money which goes straight into the pockets of AFL executives.

2019-10-29T11:59:59+00:00

DTM

Guest


Your Kelly point is interesting. I too was impressed with the way he played given that he had made it clear he wanted to return to WA. However, I think credit should also be given to Geelong for the way they handled him. Perhaps (and I'm guessing) Jack Martin's attitude wasn't as good as Kelly's or maybe Gold Coast didn't like the message he wanted out and didn't manage him as well as they could. Either way, I hope both player and club have learnt a valuable lesson.

2019-10-29T09:36:18+00:00

Cracka

Roar Rookie


yes

2019-10-29T07:36:01+00:00

Aransan

Roar Rookie


Johnno, the value of 2nd and 3rd round picks depends on where you finish in terms of draft index values. Some examples: Wooden spoon (18th) 19 + 37 = between 9 and 10 17th 20 + 38 = pick 10 16th 21 + 39 = 11 15th 22 + 40 = 12 14th 23 + 41 = 13 13th 24 + 42 = 14 Col is correct about the importance of the draft index values next year where the draft is compromised by the number of Academy and F/S players.

2019-10-29T07:31:25+00:00

Col from Brissie

Roar Guru


Yes they wanted pick 25 back but it all came down to whether Daniher got traded or not. If Essendon had of accepted Sydney’s offer of pick 9 and a future 1st round pick then Carlton might have been in a position to get something back because Sydney would have been desperate to get pick 9. They didn’t want to give up their pick 5.

2019-10-29T07:23:38+00:00

Aransan

Roar Rookie


Col, I believe Carlton wanted Papley and a pick back for pick 9.

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