Does the ghost of Michael Cheika live on in our Roar Wallabies team?

By Bentnuc / Roar Pro

It was a great idea for The Roar to give us the opportunity to select our Wallabies team for the next time they play.

Dave Rennie went on record as saying he would select the Wallabies team based on this year’s Super Rugby form and not on reputation. It’s an excellent call from Dave as unfortunately the Wallabies have too often been selected based on the player’s reputation and past form rather than their current performance.

This problem isn’t isolated to the Wallabies or to rugby itself – as it was once said, it’s harder to get out of the Aussie cricket team than get into it. Unfortunately, only the truly great players can maintain form year in, year out as for most athletes their peak form only lasts a short period of time.

This brings us to the team that us Roar readers chose as our next Wallabies team. I thought it would be interesting to have a look at who the numbers say are the form offensive and defensive players from this year’s Super Rugby season.

I did this by looking at the Fox Sports Lab website. I know pure stats and numbers aren’t the be-all and end-all in selecting a good player, but I thought it would be an interesting experiment.

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For the top attack I looked at the total of big attacking plays – tries, try assists, line breaks and line break assists – for each player in each position. In this case, using the totals seemed the best indicator compared to working it out per minute played or possession. I did this so we got players who have actually had a good amount of game time this year.

I tried to group players who played in multiple positions to the one they spent the most time in this season. Here are the results.

Attack
Tries, try assists, line breaks and line break assists

  1. Tom Banks – 17*
  2. Andrew Kellaway – 17
  3. Hunter Paisami – 6
  4. Irae Simone – 12
  5. Henry Speight -15*
  6. James O’Connor – 16*
  7. Tate McDermott – 18*
  8. Harry Wilson – 11*
  9. Michael Hooper – 8*
  10. Angus Cottrell – 5
  11. Lukhan Salakaia-Loto – 9*
  12. Murray Douglas/ Cadeyrn Neville/Matt Philip – 2*
  13. Taniela Tupou – 15*
  14. Folau Fainga’a – 7*
  15. James Slipper – 2*

There are some pretty handy players in there. In total ten players from this team made our Wallabies 23 – 11 if you count Philip, as he was in a three-way tie for the second lock position). I marked these players with an asterisk.

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To look at the best defensive players I looked at two things. For the forwards I looked at the big defensive plays: pilfers, forced penalties and lineout steals. For the backs I looked at the player’s tackle percentage – that is, what percentage tackles they made out of what they attempted. I did it this way for two reasons.

Firstly, Australian rugby has neglected the importance of defending aggressively and winning the ball back from the opposition or at least slowing or disrupting their ball. This is one of the main things most successful rugby teams do.

Unfortunately, very few backs in Australia are in these figures, with many positions not having one player who has won the ball this year – and backs can’t win lineout steals! So, the best indicator I could find was their tackle percentage. This works well because a missed tackle for a winger or outside centre out wide will most likely result in a line break or try. Whereas if a prop misses a tackle next to the ruck, you might lose a couple of metres.

Here are the results.

Backs
Tackle percentage

  1. Tom Banks – 83 per cent*
  2. Tom Wright – 77 per cent
  3. Hunter Paisami – 72 per cent
  4. Hamish Stewart – 82 per cent
  5. Chris Feauai-Sautia – 76 per cent
  6. James O’Connor – 84 per cent*
  7. Joe Powell – 83 per cent

Forwards
Pilfers, forced penalties and lineout steals

  1. Isi Naisarani – 3
  2. Michael Hooper – 5*
  3. 6. Rob Valetini / Angus Cottrell – 2
  4. Matt Philip – 5*
  5. Harry Hockings – 4
  6. Harry Johnson-Holmes – 1
  7. Robbie Abel – 4
  8. Matt Gibbon – 2

What is interesting is that only four players made our Roar team compared to the ten (or 11) from the form attacking side. Favouring attack over defence was a common complaint of Michael Cheika’s selections. It is a common thing for the Australian rugby fan to do too. I know I used to watch match highlights and base who I thought was a good player on the tries I saw. If you look at the whole match and analyse it, there is a very different picture.

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Lastly I wanted to look at players who have made the most negative plays for each position. I did this by adding up the handling errors, turnovers, penalties conceded and kick errors for each player.

Here are the results.

Most negative plays
Handling errors, turnovers, penalties conceded and kick errors

  1. Kurtley Beale – 16
  2. Mark Nawaqanitawase – 16
  3. Hunter Paisami – 12
  4. Karmichael Hunt – 12
  5. Marika Koroibete – 20 *
  6. James O’Connor – 16 *
  7. Jake Gordon – 12
  8. Harry Wilson – 20 *
  9. Michael Hooper – 7 *
  10. Lachie Swinton – 16
  11. Matt Philip – 15*
  12. Cadeyrn Neville – 11
  13. Taniela Tupou – 17*
  14. Alex Mafi – 13
  15. Scott Sio – 10*

Interestingly, seven of these players made our 23. James O’Connor and Michael Hooper were both the top attacking and defending player in their position, so a high number of negative plays can be justified. Also, Taniela Tupou, Harry Wilson and Matt Philip were the top in their position for either attack or defence too.

You have to wonder about our selections of Marika Koroibete and Scott Sio. Sio has been a Wallabies stalwart for years and Koroibete had an excellent season in green and gold last year and was deservedly awarded the Wallabies best. However, it looks like both players have not been selected on this season’s form as the payoff this year just isn’t there.

Additionally, Jordan Uelese, Izack Rodda and Jordan Petaia were all picked in the Roar team and have hardly played this year. We must have picked them all on reputation, which brings me to another interesting fact: a whopping 20 out of our 23 Wallabies selections played in one of Michael Cheika’s Wallabies teams last year.

So in conclusion, when selecting our Roar team it looks like we favour strong attacking players over strong defensive ones and have a big preference for last year’s Wallabies.

What do you think? Will solely a change of coaching staff change our fortunes? Or as a rugby nation do we need to address how we value defence and be more open to selecting players whose skill set has been overlooked in previous seasons?

The Crowd Says:

2020-04-12T01:49:09+00:00

numpty

Roar Rookie


:laughing: not a bad idea. But I dare say that the analysts would tally their number of contributions, both good and bad. Just chasing the ball from ruck to ruck wouldn't get you far.

2020-04-11T07:46:48+00:00

Drew

Guest


Thumbs up emoji. Wasn’t poking holes in your theory. I understand that’s what you were driving at. Like you say, to base it on stats can be a slippery slope if you don’t use stats that cover all aspects of play. As an aside, You wonder if the players try to up their step count on the gps trackers like my kid does?

2020-04-11T02:49:07+00:00

Wigeye

Guest


Why can't 10 new caps get a start and leave the 10 stood down on the fringes nows the time and place to radicly start afresh and get results sooner than later with a new coach, would hope some of the gurus talk it up otherwise the mindset is not going to change much just going over the same old ground

2020-04-11T02:40:19+00:00

Wigeye

Guest


Yes professor, havnt been getting out then

2020-04-11T02:37:28+00:00

Wigeye

Guest


Isn't that what we were coached taught as school kids basic rugby...the basics

2020-04-11T01:59:22+00:00

dazell

Roar Rookie


"I think it is the ability to see these sorts of things, and the ability toblend a group of players into an effective team, that sets great coaches apart from the pack." This is the element Cheika missed the most, his team combinations actually seemed to sabotage the teams performance, the best example picking Toomua at 10 and Foley at 12 what in gods name was he thinking??????

2020-04-11T01:57:34+00:00

numpty

Roar Rookie


Much harder to change an entire defensive system then the kicking game. You are right about the error rate but that was my pt. No matter the defensive system, that error rate/poor decision making still would've been there and therefore they wouldn't have done much better. All they could realistically change to influence anything is to make the errors at the right end of the park.

2020-04-11T01:53:43+00:00

numpty

Roar Rookie


that's why in the comment i explicitly call it 'half the story'. Its still nice to know that a player has the fitness and capacity to make 10+ tackles a game. there are plenty who can't/don't.

2020-04-11T01:48:44+00:00

numpty

Roar Rookie


PK - I definitely don't have stats on this but I feel like McInerney has fed the brumbies lineout very well this season... NB gave him a positive mention last week. But my overall pt in this string of comments was the same sentiment as your initial post - that the stats used in the article only tell half the story and don't look at work rate. I was just presenting that other half of the story which is also relevant. ie: that mafi has a higher work rate then most other hookers this season.

2020-04-11T00:58:34+00:00

jeznez

Roar Guru


Scrum stats are on the team figures not the individuals, the numbers don't look accurate to me though.

2020-04-11T00:33:06+00:00

DaveJ

Roar Rookie


A lot of Waratahs forwards more tackles because? - they are on the defensive more than other teams? Perhaps this stat isn’t ideal.

2020-04-10T23:20:55+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


Rassie stuck with Mapimpi over Nkosi, despite Nkosi’s better form in SR, because he had a game plan that required his wings to sprint up and back 30 times a match and Mapimpi was off the charts on reload and rep-speed.

2020-04-10T23:03:39+00:00

Purdo

Roar Rookie


Bentnuc - a very interesting read! I'm glad I picked Kellaway on one wing. I was surprised by the lack of stats for Koroibete, whom I picked on the other wing. My fullback pick was Banks. Another surprise was no figures in your lists for Matt Toomua, whom I picked at 10 (for now), while I picked O'Connor at 12. I must admit I don't delve into the stats, and nor it seems do a lot of other Roarers. I'm hoping that the real experts are the coaches, who will consider the stats, though they will also have their impressions from their (much more expert) viewing. I don't think stats tell the whole story, because there are things that don't appear in the stats, like leadership, being in the right spot at the right time, which might enhance other players' stats. Anyway, thanks for the article, and it certainly confirms my own view that I am no expert!

2020-04-10T22:43:28+00:00

PeterK

Roar Guru


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2020-04-10T22:41:38+00:00

DaveR

Guest


All these comments about Uelese's first test performance and his potential are pretty much right. But his lack of SR games because of a long history of injury (again now) means he is unlikely to be a consistent contributor going forward. At this point in his career I think you have to consider him to be injury prone.

2020-04-10T22:40:51+00:00

PeterK

Roar Guru


The things I look at in a hooker are 1) can they reliably throw straight in a lineout, Paenga-Amosa, McInerney, Uelese and Mafi can't so I rule them out. 2) can they scrum well. Fitzpatrick isn't good there so he is out. So that only leaves Rangi, Faingaa and Abel. Then the balance of the team requirements come into it. Do I need a ruck monkey , do I need a ball carrier, do I need a work horse, do I need an impact player. What weaknesses do they have and so on.

2020-04-10T22:22:25+00:00

numpty

Roar Rookie


That's why I said it's only half the story :thumbup: these stats combined with the ones in the article would be a good start in identifying those players to take a closer look at. Fox Sports don't provide number of ruck entries unfortunately. And yes different players have different roles and you need a mix.

2020-04-10T20:53:20+00:00

Drew

Guest


I’m not saying those parameters would change with those two in particular, just that rugby is too nuanced to break down with simple stats. They can help guide decisions of selection, but when you start factoring in one parameter it creates 3 more.

2020-04-10T12:24:35+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


New coaches change players a bit, but not as much as we’d expect, because they have the best numbers (we don’t): - GPS - speed - power - leap - ball velocity - recovery

2020-04-10T11:45:49+00:00

jameswm

Roar Guru


In his debut test he held up our scrum against SA. I remember Nic’s article praising the performance.

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