Are ruckmen the most important players in our game?

By Marnie Cohen / Expert

Ahh, the great ruck debate.

I don’t even know if it’s a real thing, but let’s roll with it for the sake of today’s analysis.

For something a little different, let me start off by answering the question up front.

No. Ruckmen are not the most important players in Aussie rules.

Considering it’s a team sport, I honestly don’t think you really can pinpoint one position that is most important.

However, the way a side can be transformed with an elite ruckman is undervalued.

And what about those sides who are in a premiership window but are without a strong ruckman? Is that the difference between glory and defeat?

The discussion that surrounds the game’s big men is fascinating and it’s one I want to unpack.

Let’s start with the best.

Max Gawn and Todd Goldstein are both having sensational seasons and are easily the best rucks in the competition at the moment.

Max Gawn. (Photo by Quinn Rooney/Getty Images)

They are almost certainly leading the way in their club’s best and fairest counts so far and both men have been in Brownlow discussions at some point so far this season as well.

What makes both Gawn and Goldstein so dangerous is their influence around the ground and in the general play, as well as in the ruck contests.

Coming into Round 9, Todd Goldstein is the #1 clearance player in the comp. He is ahead of Carlton star Patrick Cripps and Collingwood’s Taylor Adams. Half the time he’s tapping to his own advantage and the other times he’s just grabbing the ball straight out of the contest.

As for Max Gawn, he’s just about unstoppable in the air and around the ground and has really been Melbourne’s key playmaker so far this season.

While these men play in sides sitting 14th and 15th on the ladder (going into Round 9), they are undoubtedly in their teams’ top three most important players, if not #1.

They create opportunities and they are reliable; consistently performing week in and week out.

You have to wonder how things would look if their teams as a whole were playing better football. Or how they’d look in side that are hovering closer around that premiership window, but we’ll get to that a bit later.

When speaking about the elite ruckmen in the competition, there is often a third man that is part of the Gawn and Goldstein conversation.

It’s Collingwood’s Brodie Grundy, who has had a good year but hasn’t managed to reach those lofty standards we have come to expect of him.

Max Gawn and Brodie Grundy battle it out. (Photo by Michael Willson/AFL Media/Getty Images)

Going into Round 9, he is leading the competition hitouts and averaging 15 touches a game.

That looks good on paper and don’t get me wrong, it is. But in the flesh it just isn’t “wow”. There’s nothing overly special about it. We have come to expect much more from the Collingwood ruckman, who is known for dominating games week in and week out.

And there’s no doubt it’s having an impact on Collingwood as well. With key players missing from the Pies’ line up, he isn’t quite stepping up the way the Pies really need him to. It seems like a lot of pressure to put on a player but we know what his capable of and it’s a lot more than what we are getting at the moment.

Obviously some of the game’s best ruckmen have the ability to significantly impact their sides over the course of the season; be it keeping them competitive, providing some positivity or really being the difference between a side being good and great.

But what about a ruckman’s ability to turn a game on its head in just a matter of minutes?

Does that come down to them being a good ruckman, or just being a damn good player?

Probably a bit a both.

Let’s take a look at West Coast’s Nic Natinui.

Against Geelong last Saturday night, he was the one who completely turned the game around in West Coast’s favour.

And miraculously, he only needed ten touches over a game of football to make a difference and to be the difference.

His ten touches were combined with 34 hitouts, four clearances, three tackles and seven insides 50s to produce one of the best quarters of any player this season.

That’s the thing about ruckmen: they only need a little bit of time and space to have an enormous impact… with this flawless tap the perfect example.

Okay.

So we know what one brilliant ruckman can do, but what about a couple combined?

Now I’m not sure if I would call Rowan Marshall and Paddy Ryder and “elite ruck duo” but I would certainly call them lethal and credit their partnership as a big part of St Kilda’s 2020 success.

I have said previously that I was sceptical about St Kilda’s play for Paddy Ryder at the end of 2019, but since the 32-year-old has come across from Port Adelaide and combined with Marshall, it has proved a winning combo.

They compliment each other well, with each player alternating between main ruck duties and a backup, with a bit of freedom to roam free around the ground and impact the play where possible.

But what about when the ruck stocks just don’t work in your favour?

It’s all well and good to talk up the importance of quality ruckmen in our game by throwing around examples of elite players and power combos, but the real proof of their value is with the teams who are without.

Geelong is a prime example of a side that has been floating around the premiership window for some time now, but have failed to find their ruckman… a position many believe could be the missing premiership piece.

They tried to lure Todd Goldstein across to the Cattery at the end of 2019 but failed. Imagine the difference he could’ve made.

Instead, Geelong ruckman Darcy Fort is sitting 19th (at the end of Round 9) in the competition for total hitouts with 106 from five games. The club’s next best is Esava Ratugolea (54 hitouts) with the pair combining for a total 160 hitouts for the season.

The top eight-ranked ruckman in the competition have all had more than that on their own.

It’s not that Geelong are playing badly without a dominant ruckman, but it’s how much better they could be with one.

Just to re-iterate: Ruckmen aren’t the most important players in the competition.

But they may very well be the most influential and they could even be the difference.

The Crowd Says:

2020-08-13T04:05:45+00:00

Maxy

Roar Rookie


Eddie everwhere would be nervous signing off on that contract atm PTS,would be a hard one to move on also

2020-08-09T11:29:04+00:00

Cracka

Roar Rookie


No.

2020-08-07T21:21:58+00:00

Desmond

Guest


interesting point of view, as a hawthorn haven't had that many great rucks, Salmon was great but was at the club during a down period, Big boy competes well, and fills holes for clarko, sneaks down and kicks the odd goal, but you would hardly say he dominates the game from his position, our last great ruckman was probably (and i hate to say it) Don Scott, he was only 6.3 would not be able to compete now with the center line through the circle at ball ups, Hawks seem to have been able to get away with this, but i wouldn't say it was intent, we just cant seem to develop any, bad luck with Max Bailey our most recent hopeful!

2020-08-07T07:53:52+00:00

Ball Burster

Roar Rookie


No. They're not.

2020-08-07T05:18:29+00:00

Seymorebutts

Guest


They had Scott Lycett who is a gun, and Vardy who did a serviceable job as a number two. IF Lycett was playing for the Blues or another big Melbourne club he would be talked about with the same reverence they use when discussing Gawn and Grundy.

2020-08-07T05:16:09+00:00

Seymorebutts

Guest


Yes, I dont think you can win a flag without a ruckman who can at least give you parity during centre bounces or boundary throw ins.

2020-08-07T05:14:40+00:00

Seymorebutts

Guest


Yes Clark Keating, he was a very, very good player. He was lucky / unlucky to get injured one year and missed the first 16 games... then had enough home and away games to get match fit then had a blinder finals series... 2003 maybe? He was genuinely good around ground, great set of hands and had a very relaxed kicking action. If they didnt already have a gun forward line he could have played full forward ala Paul Salmon IMO. Very much underrated player was Keating.

2020-08-06T13:40:38+00:00

Nico

Roar Rookie


Watching Buddy got me into AFL. Simply magnificent, and sad I missed him at his best.

2020-08-06T05:09:49+00:00

Brendon the 1st

Roar Rookie


We say that every week though, "why is no one on Dusty" he must do something that I don't see to get all that freedom, surely he's not being left alone by every coach in the league?

2020-08-06T05:05:07+00:00

Brendon the 1st

Roar Rookie


Feel for you Yattz, hopefully this harsher lockdown let's the boys and blue lock the nut jobs up so the health professionals can do their jobs. We all need a strong and Covid free Vic.

2020-08-06T05:03:28+00:00

Brendon the 1st

Roar Rookie


Come over the the Magpies.....I mean Power Pete. It's warm here on the dark side :silly:

2020-08-06T04:51:55+00:00

Pope Paul VII

Roar Rookie


Yep. 1996 Tied for first. He tripped over a cat. He was also leading the Norwich Rising Star Award in 1994 when he was suspended.

2020-08-06T04:35:42+00:00

Daft

Guest


You actually needed to have skills and could handle yourself back then when the talent was all in only the 12 clubs and you had to play everyone twice before finals. The AFL is a watered down product.

2020-08-05T18:29:23+00:00

Blitz

Guest


Before Nic did his knee he was #1 in the AFL for initiating a scoring chain. Many of these would probably have been his deft touches and pressure acts at ground level and in these instances I would argue that it had more to do with Nic than his teammates. Sure, they had to receive the ball, move it forward and score, but he is the person that started the chain of events. That’s a pretty powerful stat as it leads to a score. By and large I do agree with your premise though.

2020-08-05T10:46:56+00:00

pablocruz

Roar Rookie


Yes, indeed he did. Yet we've won two flags in 3 years without a highly paid top notch ruckman. I do take your point though.

2020-08-05T10:08:17+00:00

Slane

Guest


I agree with what you are saying but you need to remember that even the best ruckmen can only get around 30% of their hitouts to advantage. Two thirds of all hitouts end up in a contested situation or sn opponent's hands. If your players just train to win any hitout and your opponent only trains to take their own ruckmens hitouts, who do you think will win the match?

2020-08-05T10:07:34+00:00

Charlie Keegan

Roar Guru


I think one thing you didn’t mention is the fact that higher profile ruckman have their games deconstructed so much more than the worse ones in the league and as a result opposition midfielders know how to play their taps more effectively than they would with a Phillips or a pittonet.

2020-08-05T10:01:29+00:00

Slane

Guest


But he always gives the Richmond ruckmen a touch up. They are regularly beaten in the ruck department. But they've just won two flags. The first saw the Sydney Swans 3rd string ruckmen(Nankervis) and Sean Grigg take on All-Australian Sauce Jacobs. Their latest premiership saw Nankervis team up with a category B rookie named Ivan Soldo. A player that wouldn't even be on an AFL list if his cousin didn't invite him down to Punt rd for training. Those two ruckmen took on Shane Mumford. An over-the-hill battler. Pretty much the antithesis of the athletic, midfielder-cum-ruckmen with silky palms and 360 degree visions. He nullified the superstar Grundy in the previous game. I maintain that all any team needs is a ruckmen who gives 100% in every contest. It's a waste of resources to invest massive draft capital or cap space into a superstar ruck.

2020-08-05T09:16:41+00:00

sven

Roar Rookie


reckon a good ruckman can still have enormous influence on a game, eg nic nat v the cats last week, recall grundy giving my tiges an absolute touch up in that 2018 prelim

2020-08-05T07:23:35+00:00

Peter the Scribe

Roar Guru


Is that rhyming slang for something Paul?

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