Green set for debut after being named in Australia's white-ball squad

Yes, as a spin-bowling allrounder. He then had basically two years of non-selection while he re-vamped himself as a batsman and actually put some runs on the board (averaging around 40 in the Shield) before he was picked in that capacity. Look, I'm happy for Green to get a leg-up on potential because he clearly has something special. I'd just like to see him play more than one good white ball innings before he's playing ODIs for his country.

And so he should be, there isn't going to be any shield going on then by the looks of it and I expect he will play a big part in the test series. Get him involved, Smith's numbers were no good either when he debuted in all formats.

Who said he can't play white ball cricket? I'm saying his current white ball numbers are nowhere near enough to justify selection as a batsman in the ODI side, even factoring in his enormous potential. 9 games, 167 runs, avg 28, SR 79 with one half century. He's there for the experience of being in and around the Aussie setup, not because he currently warrants national selection as a white ball player.

Jhye still has a shoulder injury and isn't bowling. It's a pity as he would be a fantastic inclusion.

Green is a real genuine all rounder. He is that good. Think Ben Stokes but a better bowler.

Ok, everyone saying he isn't good as a limited overs cricketer hasn't watched enough of Cam Green. The guy is going to be an all format monster for Australia, as long as he can keep his body right. Serious serious talent. Big long levers and can seriously hit a ball, could easily bat at 6 in our one day side. Saw a couple of one day cup innings he played for WA, they'd suggest he can play the shorter formats as well. My only worry is that they burn him out before the tests, where he really should be a lock at 6 in my opinion if he can bowl.

He had had only one even remotely good series in nigh on three years when he was dropped and that was against completely different type of bowlers in completely different conditions to the upcoming home series against the West Indies, against whom his record in non-dead rubbers was absolutely pitiful. Overall, he was a fine servant of Australian cricket but it was time to move on and think to the future with all the incredible depth of young talent emerging around the shield scene at that time.

Dean Jones had a excellent test career!!! Not sure what that comment means. I remember no one could believe he was dropped when it happened because he just came off a great series. I was at the 1st day of that test and it was a strange atmosphere when they said he was not playing. After Border he was the best batsman in the team.

Good comment! I would be very happy with an average of over 40 with the bat and under 35 with the ball. Bowling regularly. That would be a brilliant career!!! A player like Brett Lee averaged over 30 with the ball. Kapil Dev 29. Ian Botham 28. To average under 30 with the ball is a front line bowler. And is difficult. Green is an exceptional talent but we need to be realistic.

Come to think of it Chris, were you even old enough to be cricket conscious in 1992? You don’t look any older than about 35 at the most in your picture.

Marnus, legend. QLDER!!!! That partnership on such a green deck might just be the difference.

Sorry ‘Chris’ … I’ll try not to make that mistake again. Mind you it’s the only even remote error I’ve made in this extremely one sided debate.

What I’m saying is that I was gobsmacked by your staggering claim that late 1992 Jones was our second best batsman after Allan Border. Allan Border remained a batting force to be reckoned with right up until his final test innings, but he pretty much relinquished the title of our best test batsman on the 1989 Ashes tour, not necessarily by choice, but I am sure he would have been delighted that his customary back to the wall rear guard epic innings were seldom needed thereafter.

Oh btw Craig, from end of December 1990 until the end of the 1993 Ashes, the Australia’s best test batsman was David Boon. From mid 1989 until the start of the following Australian summer it was Mark Taylor, with both Steve Waugh and Dean Jones having a claim for 2nd spot from the start of the 1989 Ashes until the end of the following 1989-90 home summer. From late December 1986 until the end of the one day series in the Caribbean in early 1991 Jones was easily our premier one day batsman, and he was able supported by the opening comb of Boon and Marsh. Mark Waugh assumed the title of premier Australian one day batsman from early 1993 and held it until early 2001, although Michael Bevan was not far behind. From the start of the 1990-91 home summer until the end of the 1991-92 home summer, Dean Jones was easily our worst performed test batsman, although Steve Waugh rivalled him in this for the first three tests of the 1990-91 Ashes series. Only difference was, Waugh could not continue to challenge for this inauspicious title because unlike Jones, he was dropped from the test side.

In summary we can summarise Jones’s test career like this: Home Record: 1 outstanding summer 1 very good summer 2 ordinary summers (one of which he only appeared in 3 tests) 2 absolutely dismal summers Away Record: 1 outstanding series in India 1 excellent series in England 1 very good series in Sri Lanka 1 diabolical series in Pakistan 1 ½ mediocre series in the West Indies Flunked in a one-off test in New Zealand His Home One day record: • A solid start to his international career in the summers of 1983-84, 84-85 and 85-86 • Carried all before him in 1986-87, 87-88, 89-90 and 90-91 and at least coming good when it mattered in the finals series in 88-89 • Ordinary in 1991-92 WSC and disappointing in World Cup • A shadowy reflection of his former one day self in 1992-93 • Reasonably successful when recalled in 1993-94 with scores of 98 in Brisbane and 79 in 2nd WSC final, both against South Africa His Away One day record: • Nothing special in India 1986-87 • Good without being great in 1987 World Cup, 3rd best performing Australian batsmen • As per his test series in Pakistan 1988-89 • Average at best in short one day series in England 1989 • Average at best in Nehru Cup in India late 1989 • Outstanding in short one day series in New Zealand early 1990 and excellent in short series in Sharjah immediately after • Excellent in first two matches of 5 match one day series in West Indies 1991, but not much to write home about in final three matches • Not aware of anything to write home about in Sri Lanka 1992-93, assuming there was a one day series • I believe he was flown over for the one day series in New Zealand after the tests in early 1993 but I don’t remember him doing anything special • Only one score of note, 67, in 8 match one day series in South Africa early 1994, being dropped for final match

An ideal neutral venue for IND v ENG series, if it had to be moved, would surely be in Australia?? Decent population base for supporters of both sides. I'd be more than happy for Australian grounds to be made available to make it work.

In reality Craig, the Dean Jones lost cause is more than likely shared by the majority of Victorians, but you'd prolly be surprised at just how few outside of that state.

Good move getting him into the setup early. He’s obviously a talent that they see as a long term prospect so why not. He hasn’t made a huge impact in white ball cricket as yet but it’s early days. He made 80 odd against SA yesterday which is promising.

You can please yourself whether you read it or not, but the evidence is overwhelming. I have nothing fundamentally against Jones. Anyone reading what I wrote will see quite clearly that in plenty of places I give Jones his dues. But I also call spades just that where appropriate. Sounds like you have a touch of sour grapes. Just read everything and try and argue against the main premise of his poor record against the West Indies.

You're kidding yourself if you think anyone is actually going to ready those comments. Don't know what you have against Dean Jones, but it's not something that's shared by many other people.